Hurley saw Jacob?

[UnknownPoster]

Unless there were two people in the house, it seemed like hurley saw someone at the table, which you would think is Jacob.

Maybe Jacob can somehow make people not see him but if he is not trying to do this he is a regular guy anyone can see. ??
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[BigHairLady150]

i think that the guy in the rocking chair is jacob and because hurley saw him he became insane

[UnknownPoster]

I don't even think he is insane, i think he wanted the comfortable safe refuge of the mental home to hide away.
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[day_eight]

I agree. I don't think he's insane. I think the institute is calming and safe to him. I think he goes there to escape his problems, in this case the guilt he feels for whatever happened on the Island. ((And I agree that he saw Jacob, but am unsure why.))

[Ezekiel 25:17]

About the Jacob thing, Hurley saw 2 different people, @ first he saw no one and then he saw Jacob then that face popped up and he ran. Weird?!:confused:

[day_eight]

Maybe it was Locke? It kind of looked like Locke's eye to me... but I'd have to see a screen cap to be positive. Another question is... was he really there or was it all part of his imagination? If he was really there, then that'd mean that Jacob has some sort of interest in him, as well.

[GinaBina]

I think it may have been Locke's eye, too. And if Hurley really did see the cabin, then maybe Hurley is the 'special one' that The Others thought Locke was. Because Hurley heard Jacob as well. hmm..

[davidzgeorge]

i sorta think it may have been mikhail. you KNOW he's not dead

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Maybe they're all special, u ever consider that. So far we have Walt, then Locke, then you can count Ecko because he had visions. Now you can count in Hurley too, and who knows else, Jack Kate, Sawyer? The Island, Jacob, brought them there for a purpose.

[witenike]

I agree that the eye in the window looked like Locke's. Also, is it just me, or does Jacob look like Jack's father?

[UnknownPoster]

It would totally make sense for Locke to go to Jacob's cabin since he is now aligned with their cause. Of course he showed up really soon after Hurley left the cabin so it is a good thought that it is Locke's eye.
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[johnolantern]

i think that hurley saw both locke and jacob. the island is a funny place as we all know and the fact that locke can walk is proof that anything can happen. however, for anything to really happen, he had to cut all his ties with his former life, hence the killing of his father. ben is also special because he killed his father as well, and neither of them are tied to the general truths enstilled in all of us by our parents.

whether hurley is crazy or not, he beleives he is, making it possible to circumvent the sticky situation of killing the people that make his world 'real', making him just as special as locke and ben--hence he can also see jacob, but can also tell himself that he didn't.

[GinaBina]

whoaaa yeah Jacob did kind of look like Jack's father. oh man.

[crystyl25]

Okay, the guy that he saw in the chair is Jacks dad. Am I the only person who thinks this? Rewind your dvr's. He is wearing the same suit he was buried in. Remember how they found that coffin on the island and his body wasn't in it anymore? Second, the eye was lockes. This is what Ben feared, that Locke would take over his role with Jacob. I am not sure that Jacob and Christian (jacks dad) are the same, but the first chair is empty. Thats the one we saw jacob in in last years episode. (again, rewind your dvr's it does show him for a split second.) We see Jacks dad in that second chair tonight

[jmarcroyal]

I agree that the eye in the window looked like Locke's. Also, is it just me, or does Jacob look like Jack's father?

I kinda got the idea that the man in the chair looked like christian as well. I didnt think it when we first kinda got a glimpse in the finale, but it did look slightly like christian shepard.

Im also kinda thinkin that was Locke in there. I think he went back to the cabin to talk to jacob after he left the lostees.

[beachcomer5]

that was Lock, wasn't it

[beachcomer5]

Where is Walt? Did anyone seen him in show tonight?

[MickWhiskey]

It was Locke who popped up through the window.
The sillohete was Christian Sheppard. Look at the infamous white tennis shoes!!!

My theory is that the Oceanic 6 are six individuals who are allowed off the island, to spread the idea that they were the only surviviors, and as they were the ones chosen to be let off the island, they were sworn to never reveal the location or come back. That is why Hurley started seeing Chralie, he was already crazy and in a mental institution before, he does not deal with stress well. So he felt safe in the asylum. Hurleys future scene takes place before Jacks future scene (from the end of last season). This was made obvious as Jack referenced he was planning on growing a beard. This before Hurley and Jack discuss going back, at this point, Jack is distinctly against going back... So after Hurley goes wacky again, Jack starts to feel the pressure, as he always feels the need to fix things. And so he also wants to go back and save the rest as well.

[littlemamma_x_3]

i think that hurley heard jacob speaking to locke and saw jacob in the chair...i also think that in the jacob/locke conversation that he told locke to look out the window...i think that in the last scene with hurley and jack in the gym that's why hurley said what he did...don't quote me, but along the lines of "he wants/needs us to go back"...it's like this happened before the flashforward from last seasons finale...sometime after this hurley/jack/gym encounter jack became "lost" too..."we need to go back kate"...damn, i'm so glad it's back!!!...but so very upset that because of the writer's stike we're cut 8 episodes short!...not fair!

[witenike]

It was Locke who popped up through the window.
The sillohete was Christian Sheppard. Look at the infamous white tennis shoes!!!

My theory is that the Oceanic 6 are six individuals who are allowed off the island, to spread the idea that they were the only surviviors, and as they were the ones chosen to be let off the island, they were sworn to never reveal the location or come back. That is why Hurley started seeing Chralie, he was already crazy and in a mental institution before, he does not deal with stress well. So he felt safe in the asylum. Hurleys future scene takes place before Jacks future scene (from the end of last season). This was made obvious as Jack referenced he was planning on growing a beard. This before Hurley and Jack discuss going back, at this point, Jack is distinctly against going back... So after Hurley goes wacky again, Jack starts to feel the pressure, as he always feels the need to fix things. And so he also wants to go back and save the rest as well.

You may have something there with the 6 keeping the location a secret... Didn't Jack ask Hurley if he was going to "tell"? Tell what? Tell where the island is? Tell that 30-40 some odd people are still there?

Hmmmmm.

[littlemamma_x_3]

i knew "jacob" looked familiar...but hasn't he been on the island a longer amount of time for ben to say that he's the one that controls the "whole operation"?...i love your line of thought...

[littlemamma_x_3]

did anyone just see the oceanic flight ad?

[witenike]

did anyone just see the oceanic flight ad?

My station cut it off just as it came on with a local ad for tomorrow's Oprah. NOOOOO!!!! What was the ad like?

[MickWhiskey]

Jacob and the solohette we saw are different, I think Jacobs cottage is just kind of the meeting place for all the spirits. Christian Sheppard was there, maybe they were talking, thus the whispers

[TEECH]

The name Jacob is biblical reference to a man who hides in tents. He fools his father to gain the highest blessing. He is a person who tricks others.

I think Jacob is tricking Locke and convinces him that he stay behind to do his workk the way Ben has been fooled all of these years.

I think Hurley sees Jacob because he is also special, but he sees through Jacob for who he is, a man of deception.

[littlemamma_x_3]

Jacob and the solohette we saw are different, I think Jacobs cottage is just kind of the meeting place for all the spirits. Christian Sheppard was there, maybe they were talking, thus the whispers
great!...do you work for the writers?...i missed the ad also...it cut off the beginning of mine...said something about "golden ticket" at the end though...

[witenike]

The name Jacob is biblical reference to a man who hides in tents. He fools his father to gain the highest blessing. He is a person who tricks others.

I think Jacob is tricking Locke and convinces him that he stay behind to do his workk the way Ben has been fooled all of these years.

I think Hurley sees Jacob because he is also special, but he sees through Jacob for who he is, a man of deception.

Wow. I'd buy that... for now anyway. Anything can happen and anything can change, as we all know!

[bertajames]

wow that commercial was weird! It kept cutting in and out to a guy that looked like Heath Ledger of all people and he was saying that you couldn't trust these people and that they found flight 815 and they showed video of the plane under water. very strange!

[littlemamma_x_3]

wow that commercial was weird! It kept cutting in and out to a guy that looked like Heath Ledger of all people and he was saying that you couldn't trust these people and that they found flight 815 and they showed video of the plane under water. very strange!
was this on tv or a website...i'm trying to find it online since i missed it but i'm unsuccessful...

[hothothot]

I think that Hurley saw Jacob and the person that comes to the window is Desmond. It is definitly not locke, but the eye looks like Desmond.

[bertajames]

it was on tv that i saw it during that stupid eli stone show

[Jallan]

Tell them everything.

The cop questioning Hurley gives no indication he knows anything about the island, just knows about a plane crash from which a few people survive. As the former partner of one of those who died, he would have been following the story closely. But no-one had mentioned Ana-Lucia or, apparently, the island.

[loveithome]

I agree that the eye in the window looked like Locke's. Also, is it just me, or does Jacob look like Jack's father?

i think that this has something to do with when hurley says, he wants us to come back and he will do whatever it takes to get us back. I think later we will see him develop a relationship with jacob and that is who wants them to come back to the island

[Archangel-Player]

It was Locke's eye. Hince the factthat Locke shortly found Hurly afterthat incounter at Jacob's house. He was trying to protect Jacob's secret or Hurly from shining a light even though it a tourch an not a flash light. But still Jacob might have went balistic if he came in much less with a tourch.But me personaly. I belive Hurly was able to see Jacob's image in the rocking chair because Jacob allowed him to. Seems Hurly just might be important to Jacob as well.

[anabelle37]

does anyone know what the whispers were saying when Hurley was approaching Jacob's house?

[cc29]

I agree with you about Hurley. I think he did see Jacob and Locke was there in the cabin also. When he saw his eye it freaked him out so much he ran. Hurley definately is more comfortable in the Mental place.

[cc29]

One thing about the light or cabin was that when we first met "Jacob" Ben was saying that Jacob did not like light right? Well it looked like there was a lantern on the table inside to me and it looked lit. That did not make sense to me.

[cc29]

Remember at some time in Season 3? that Ben was trying to convince Jack that everyone thinks they are dead and that the searchers found the remains of the plane and people in the water. So that would be why they show that footage.

[Meditate]

Not to sound like a noob, but anyone else think that the dude in the rocking chair looks like jacks father? We caught a glimpse of his hair and shoes, and damn, looks like Jack's dad. But last season it looked like some old man. But who knows, I'm keeping that mystery for when it really plays in. Did look like locke's eye, and how convenient that he showed up a few seconds later!

[swtc44]

I think that Hurley saw Jacob and the person that comes to the window is Desmond. It is definitly not locke, but the eye looks like Desmond.

i would have to agree! it looks like desmond a lot!

[refusewinst]

That was definitely NOT Locke's eye. If you watch it slow-mo you can see the silhouette of hair as the face comes into frame.

I think it's ol' patchy.

It would make sense for it to be Locke considering that he shows up right after... but the hair doesn't lie.

[Jerimyaustin6]

Go back and watch that sceen again it is Jack's Dad!!

[c-dub]

Hurley saw two rocking chairs in that cabin. One appeared empty and one had someone in it. The one he was able to see was without a doubt, Christian Shepard. It is SO obvious when you watch it slowly. However, that is definitely NOT the same person we saw in last year's "Man behind the curtain" episode. Jack's Dad was in that cabin, but he's not the "Jacob" we saw last season. Not even close.
But in that episode from last season, we saw brief glimpses of Jacob in that chair and couldn't make out anything until they did finally show a very quick closeup shot of jacob's eye as he turned to look at Locke. That looks like the same eye that popped up and scared the be-jesus out of hurley (and my wife...hilarious).
That's just my humble opinion..... as if any of us actually has a clue as to what the heck is going on!

On a side note, do I have a right to be upset at my wife for deleting last night's episode after watching it through only once?? hahaha I guess I'll survive! haha

[Dzbabykel]

Maybe its just the hostiles who can't see Jacob? This is a random thought but if you think about it, Ben was originally the only one who could see him and he's the only "other" who wasn't born on the island other than Juliette that we know of right now. Then Locke was able to see him and now Hurley seems to be able to see him. OR maybe Jacob chooses to be seen by certain people he thinks can help him? He did ask Locke to "help him" last season so maybe he's showing himself to them.

I'm not sure I truly believe Jacob is Jack's father. I do think Christian Shepard might still be alive since that story line hasn't been resolved yet but it wouldn't make any sense. The again, what DOES make sense on this show haha.

[Jahari Kavi]

i really don't believe that eye that hurley saw was Locke's either.....it was too much of a coincidence that John showed up right after Hurley fell too the ground..............also does Locke even had the bullet womb anymore????? (when Ben shot him).....and why is Ben wanting to follow Locke right after he tried to kill him???

[Dzbabykel]

I think Ben just wants to get away from these Freighter people that are coming. He's made it clear that they are coming to kill everyone so I'm sure he's just going with Locke to save himself and his daughter.

[1hourisntlongenough]

Ben left Locke for dead in the ditch.....I can't see him hiding out with him.

[Dzbabykel]

I agree that the eye in the window looked like Locke's. Also, is it just me, or does Jacob look like Jack's father?

I'm not sure if Jacob is Jack's father but the man in the rocking chair is DEF Christian Shepard. Check this out!
http://ehudadams.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/mrshephard2.jpg

[Jahari Kavi]

Ben left Locke for dead in the ditch.....I can't see him hiding out with him.


yeah I understand he wants to survive, but it still seems a little weird if you ask me.............

[Asil]

I don't think it was Jacob sitting at the table in the house. I think it is one of the
survivors that was believed to be dead

[vgsutton]

Jacob and the solohette we saw are different, I think Jacobs cottage is just kind of the meeting place for all the spirits. Christian Sheppard was there, maybe they were talking, thus the whispers
I like that idea-that Jacob's cottage is a meeting place for the spirits!

[yu_are_everybody-laina]

he does look alot like him.
&&it did look like john lockes eye.
it makes sense though.
he was the only one out there&&he just happen to know where to find hurley.
but if yu havent noticed locke is a little crazy.
but im glad he helped hurley.
hurleys all we have left now that charlie is gone!:(
im just debating on whether hurley was imagining the house or not.
because it was gone the second.
but nothing really makes sense.
i want them to explain the polar bears.

...:confused:

[lilsev42]

I slowed it down and Jacob did look alot like Jack's dad and it was Locke in there ,also.

[1hourisntlongenough]

yea, but someone just pointed out in a separate post that it cannot be Locke's eye because he has blue eyes and "the eye" is brown.

[Dzbabykel]

Yeah I agree, Locke clearly has blue eyes and also if you brighten up the eye pic, you can see that it looks like the man has facial hair which could point to Hurley himself (which seems like a crazy theory but if you watch the new orientation video regarding the Orchid Station, it points to cloning and time travel) haha so whoooo knows?? This show is crazy enough, thats for sure! :p

[loseme757757]

I agree that the eye in the window looked like Locke's. Also, is it just me, or does Jacob look like Jack's father? did u notice the guy in the chair had white sneakers? the person in the chair mustb someone on the island who has white sneakers. so watch!!!!!!!!

[chris12345]

Jack's dad wears white sneakers

[RMC73]

What about the "attorney" who came to visit Hurley.
Why did he ask him are "they" still alive? I wonder if he is with the Dharma people who maybe recruited (e.g. Juliette) people to go to "the island"
Did he want to know if the Dharma people were alive...
It was very awkward because when Hurley said "what?" He goes..."You heard me." and then did not stick around.
Also...certainly was Christian Shepherd in the cabin...which seemed to appear to Hurley out of nowhere. :confused::eek:

[Archangel-Player]

Ok. Here is the breack down list with pictures.

1.)At first Hurly pears in the window to see Christain Shephard in the chair. I missed that when I first watched it. Why would Hurly need to see this image? What was Jacob trying to show him? Because as of yet Hurly has yet to be shown to have any contack with Christian in any episodes. Here's the link to the picture

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Cap08.jpg





Now Here is the eye that jumps in front of the door when Hurly trys to peek in. The eye to me has a shade of blue or hazel blue to it. I know in dark light my Hazel blue eyes can turn a dark shade depending on the light. I thought it to be Locke. Because his eyes are blue/Hazel Blue as well. Im just curious as to why Jacob chose to be seen as Christian to Hurley? Here's the link to the pic

http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/1/19/JacobEye4x01-wide.jpg

[kobefan234]

Thought it was locke too but wanst hurley haveing on of those phases where he see's people like when he saw DAVE!

[UnknownPoster]

At least we are 100% positive it was Jack's dad in teh chair, so I guess Hurley didn't see Jacob after all. I am choosing to believe that was Locke's eye. ALso, since the house seemingly disappears and reappears, maybe Hugo wasn't seeing the actual house anyway.
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[aZiXx]

Well it isn't Locke's eye. If you look at the video, you can see the there is dark hair that seems tucked behind the ear of the person. Locke has no hair. Also the wrinkles, Terry O'Quinn has more wrinkles around his eyes. The eye colour and skin tone indicate otherwise, but these two things can be affected by lighting conditions. The hair... no.

So overall, check the post about "The eye is Roger", that is probably the person as Jaboc/island seems to be able to manifest as many different people. As Shannon and Sayid saw Walt when he was alive, if it was not Walt projecting himself then the island/Jacob could have been manifesting Walts image to guide Shannon and Sayid, and hence that could be happening in the cabin showing Desmond, rather than Roger. We should be considering people with hair that can be tucked behind the ears more so than others :)

[Dzbabykel]

Yes remember Locke has blue eyes, the man in the window has brown :)

[jotwo]

Jacob could be Christian Shepherd, during the season 3 finale, Jack does tell the doctor that he should go back and just see if his father is more drunk than him. He also was trying to get a prescription in his father's name and the pharmacist stated that she just needed to call the office.

[Kage]

Locke has very Blue eyes he looks like Jack's dad Christian to me.

[Kage]

They don't know the location of the Island remember future Jack with his beard in his apt. with all those maps trying to figure out how to get back?

[Found in Lost]

Hurley saw jacob because everyone who survived so far is needed by jacob for some purpose. They had to bring people to help the island, and so they are all special, where the others are not because they were not brought by jacob. Ben is the only one who can see him, because they'll need him in the later season.
And if anyone pauses it on a DVR, you see that the profile of jacob in the cabin is Christian Shepherd

[BriGuy0419]

It's not Locke's eye. Locke has blue eyes and the eye that Hurley sees is definitely not blue.

[BriGuy0419]

oops, didn't mean to copy what was already said

[bmedina1]

So, in conclusion:

1a. The guy in the chair seen by Hurley is Jacks father, correct?
1b. The guy that peeks at Hurley through the window is NOT Locke, correct?

Now a few things to add:

2a. Hurley sees two different houses (in opposite directions of each other). What's the significance of that 2nd house he sees which disappears after a while?
2b. Was Locke inside Jacob's house, as he is right there, when Hurley falls on the ground?
2c. The person that was inside Jacob's house MUST have brought the kersone lamp, correct?

[bhargrove]

In the bible (they have done several biblical references in this show...) Jacob has a son named Benjamin... whose mother, Rachel, died after giving birth to him. Scholars argue that his name either means "Son of my pain" or "Son of my right hand".

We all know Ben's biological father was Roger and that his mother died after giving birth. However, Ben claims to have been born on the island (and he 'never' lies). What if he was 'reborn' on the island as the son of Jacob?

(To Roger, Ben is the son of his pain, but to Jacob he is the son of his right hand, his main man.)

Benjamin also died without ever having committed a sin (in the bible), could this be a reference to Ben never lying?

Not sure if it means anything towards the plot or not, but its pretty interesting.
(Above information from another Blog).
As I did my own research, Joseph was another son of Jacob. Joseph was greatly favored by his father Jacob and the rest of the siblings were jealous so they sold him off to another tribe as a slave. Joseph later returned to his home and disgraced his brother Benjamin in front of his tribe causing Benjamins tribe to lose faith in him. Joseph was also none as an "Interperetor of Dreams" and this is why his father favored him. I believe Joseph is John Locke coming back to reclaim what was once his(the island). That is why Benjamin is now afraid.

When John and Ben are in the house and Jacob speaks an image is flashed showing a man in the chair that Ben Speaks to. That image looks like the profile of John. The reason why John and Ben can hear Jacob is because neither of them were born on the island.

Another son of Jacob in the Bible is Gad. Gad was known as a bringer of "Fortune". What does Hurley bring? Not only bad fortune but also good fortune. I believe all of the main characters being portrayed as siblings of Jacob in the Bible and what they represented in the Bible. The island/Jacob is willing to become the father figure none of the survivors ever had. Michael had to prove himself by saving Walt numerous times to prove to Jacob that he was worthy of fatherhood. Since he proved it, he and his son were let go and placed back into society. Charlie died because though he loved Erin the baby, Charlie still had a vice(Heroin Addiction) which if he was sent back with the baby he could have been a bad father. John, Benjamin, Jack, Hurley, Jin, Sawyer, Kate, Yunjin, all had a father that dis-owned them, they dis-owned or died. Walt was saved because his real father Michael came and his soul and behavior could still be guided by a good man.

When the show shows the future, the media called the survivors the Oceanic Six. Hurley later said that they shouldn't have left the other 5 there. That is 11 plus Benjamin = 12, the 12 children of Jacob.

When Jack, Hurley, and Kate return, Kate is still a fugitive that is why they met near the airport, Jack becomes a drug addict and alcoholic like his dad, and Hurley goes to the security of the mental institution. They weren't ready to leave yet. They weren't healed and that is why their lives keep going downhill and they want to go back to the island. To be healed.

[Archangel-Player]

Well it isn't Locke's eye. If you look at the video, you can see the there is dark hair that seems tucked behind the ear of the person. Locke has no hair. Also the wrinkles, Terry O'Quinn has more wrinkles around his eyes. The eye colour and skin tone indicate otherwise, but these two things can be affected by lighting conditions. The hair... no.

So overall, check the post about "The eye is Roger", that is probably the person as Jaboc/island seems to be able to manifest as many different people. As Shannon and Sayid saw Walt when he was alive, if it was not Walt projecting himself then the island/Jacob could have been manifesting Walts image to guide Shannon and Sayid, and hence that could be happening in the cabin showing Desmond, rather than Roger. We should be considering people with hair that can be tucked behind the ears more so than others :)
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When i first saw the eyes. I thought it to be Locke. But after watching it a couple times and seeing recap pictures. I knew it to be a completly differnt person. I think it is how Jacob's true image truly is. We didn't see much of it. just his eye. But i was more concern why Jacob chose the image of Christian to be seen to Hurly. I know why Jacob was showing Hurly the cabin. He was trying to guide him to Locke a known tracker who would be able to show Hurly back to the path he was supose to be on since he got LOST. Ok so I have my theiory on why Hurly was granted to see Jacob's house. But why did Jacob appear as Christian to him? Why not just him self? Either way Hurly would see an image and run like Heck.

[Archangel-Player]

So, in conclusion:

1a. The guy in the chair seen by Hurley is Jacks father, correct?
1b. The guy that peeks at Hurley through the window is NOT Locke, correct?

Now a few things to add:

2a. Hurley sees two different houses (in opposite directions of each other). What's the significance of that 2nd house he sees which disappears after a while?
2b. Was Locke inside Jacob's house, as he is right there, when Hurley falls on the ground?
2c. The person that was inside Jacob's house MUST have brought the kersone lamp, correct?
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My opion

1a)The guy in the chair was Christian. But i belive it was an image create dby Jacob or wa sJacob him self cloacked as Christian. Question is why Christian's image?

1b) No the guy that peeks back at Hurly is not Locke. But I belive him to be Jacob's eye in the form he truly is.

2a) Hurly sees two diffrent houses so that he was pointed in the right direction. In fact the house in genral was gone when Hurly open his eyes. I belive Jacob was trying to point Hurly to Locke. Someone that could help Hurly get back on the right path since he was Lost.

2b) Locke MAY have been in the house. But now that I think about it.I think he had just stumbled upon Hurly when Hurly fell back and open his eyes.

2c) No the lamp was there when Ben and Locke first come upon Jacob's house in episode "The Man Behind the Curtien" Crazy thing was. the lanturn is in the exact same place as it was when Ben and Locke where there last. Even though last time it was thrown off the table and broken causing a fire.

[Lost and Found]

I think that Hurley saw Jacob and the person that comes to the window is Desmond. It is definitly not locke, but the eye looks like Desmond.

i've just watched that part over and over again, the eye isnt Lockes, could well be Desmond, but why would Desmond be with jacob? could be Mikil? Or it could be the real jacob, but like everything else, we'll guess and it'll be wrong. this show does my head in, but i love it to bits :D

[Snape]

Here's a quick theory about why/how Hurley saw Charlie at the asylum in the flash-forward:

We know (through interviews with the creators) that the Monster (smoke monster that seems to be partly mechanical) can take on human form. The creators have also said that we have seen the Monster much more than we think we have. Is it outside the realm of possibility that the MONSTER left the island, disguised as a human? And since Charlie died on the island, couldn't the MONSTER have appeared to Hugo/Hurley in the asylum scene? Especially since he said "Yes, I'm dead - but I'm also here, aren't I?" Oh, and ESPECIALLY since the other asylum member could also see Charlie?! It could be an actual entity - the Monster taking on Charlie's form.

Since Charlie seemed to tell Hugo that the people on the island still needed him, to me it makes perfect sense for the Monster to want him to go back (in other words, there are reasons for Hugo to go back). The Monster also may be under the control of Jacob - or perhaps in a wild scenario...Jacob himself.

[phoebe beeberbee]

That eye sure looks like old patchy to me - there's something in the eyelid that says Mikhail... but I am just going on a screen grab... My OH won't let me keep re-watching bits, he says I am obsessed...

I need you guys to discuss it all with...