old hag

[sirchin]

Is that creepy Hawkins lady Dan Faraday's mother?

[LissaMarie]

I just had to pop in to make sure you guys weren't talking about me behind my back :P

[R.I.P.Charlie]

from the likes of the pic your no hag!

[LissaMarie]

LOL...I'm just at the age where a woman gets hyper-sensitive! Truthfully, I was just trying to spread a little sunshine! :)

And to answer the original question (now that I've had my fun) I think we're supposed to assume that, since Des showed up at the church and they were led to Mrs. Hawking, that she is indeed Dan's Mom. I have been burned too many times with this show by making a$$umptions though so I understand your hesitation in believing it until she says, "I'm Eloise Hawking, Daniel's Mom".

[sirchin]

LOL...I'm just at the age where a woman gets hyper-sensitive! Truthfully, I was just trying to spread a little sunshine! :)

And to answer the original question (now that I've had my fun) I think we're supposed to assume that, since Des showed up at the church and they were led to Mrs. Hawking, that she is indeed Dan's Mom. I have been burned too many times with show by making a$$umptions though so I understand your hesitation in believing it until she says, "I'm Eloise Hawking, Daniel's Mom".

You are no hag by any means. Okay enough flirting for the moment. What you said about Dez. showing up is what gave me the impression too. Two more questions come up though. Why do they have different last names? and why does she have an accent and not Faraday?

[LissaMarie]

I totally agree, Flirty McGee :p! There are a few things that don't add up and I'm leery about jumping on a bandwagon without confirmation. Although all roads seem to be leading to the fact that she is Dan's Mom, I'm holding out!

And thanks guys for making me smile! I really wasn't fishing for compliments but I'll take them just the same! This is my new favorite thread;)

[R.I.P.Charlie]

The look on bens face was of astonishment when des said are your here to see Faradays mom too! It was as if he was the only one who knew that!

[boutte]

You are no hag by any means. Okay enough flirting for the moment. What you said about Dez. showing up is what gave me the impression too. Two more questions come up though. Why do they have different last names? and why does she have an accent and not Faraday?
The last name is easy, she remarried. As for the accent he could have been raised and/or educated in America then gone to Oxford as a proffessor. But where does that monk we see her in the picture with come in? Is that the same monk that threw Des out of the monastery?

[Unbridled Pageantry]

But where does that monk we see her in the picture with come in? Is that the same monk that threw Des out of the monastery?

I was thinking about Hawking's station underneath the church. What if there's a station connected to Brother Cambell's monestary. Who knows how many stations there are off island, and that would provide the connection between Cambell and Hawking.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I was thinking about Hawking's station underneath the church. What if there's a station connected to Brother Cambell's monestary. Who knows how many stations there are off island, and that would provide the connection between Cambell and Hawking.

Yes, Unbridled, TPTB said a while back that we'd find that there are a few other stations stationed on the mainland. Good observation:cool:

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Yes, Unbridled, TPTB said a while back that we'd find that there are a few other stations stationed on the mainland. Good observation:cool:


Remember when Mikhail swam down to the Looking Glass? He told the girls that he thought they were on assignment in Canada.

I could be living next door to a Dharma station. :)

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Remember when Mikhail swam down to the Looking Glass? He told the girls that he thought they were on assignment in Canada.

I could be living next door to a Dharma station. :)

OMG! I think you ARE!!! OOH!! Take plenty of candid pics for us and post them !!! How cool is THAT?!:cool:

[LostLate]

LOCKEing, I see you, how was your trip?

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

LOCKEing, I see you, how was your trip?

HEY! I (and I think WE) just finished sending you some PM's!
Did you get them??? uh oh... I think I sent them to the wrong Lostlate...I didn't spell it the same as yours. Would you go check please?

[LostLate]

HEY! I (and I think WE) just finished sending you some PM's!
Did you get them??? uh oh... I think I sent them to the wrong Lostlate...I didn't spell it the same as yours. Would you go check please?

Got them. Come to the Barma and tell me about your trip.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Got them. Come to the Barma and tell me about your trip.

well, I'm there.... where are YOU???

[spartygirl]

I just had to pop in to make sure you guys weren't talking about me behind my back :P

hahahhaha.. .Lissa...you are a hoot...and no hag by any means...:)

[spartygirl]

The look on bens face was of astonishment when des said are your here to see Faradays mom too! It was as if he was the only one who knew that!

exactly my thoughts....the look on bens face was shock....hmmmm did he or didnt he know ??? cant wait to find out....and ben didnt say a word, just took them inside the church....

[bunnydixon]

I totally agree, Flirty McGee :p! There are a few things that don't add up and I'm leary about jumping on a bandwagon without confirmation. Although all roads seem to be leading to the fact that she is Dan's Mom, I'm holding out!

And thanks guys for making me smile! I really wasn't fishing for compliments but I'll take them just the same! This is my new favorite thread;)

yeah doesnt it just seem wrong? what kinda mother would let her son endure all he has when she knows the answers all along!

I'll join your not the mom/mum brigade :p

[sirchin]

The last name is easy, she remarried. As for the accent he could have been raised and/or educated in America then gone to Oxford as a proffessor. But where does that monk we see her in the picture with come in? Is that the same monk that threw Des out of the monastery?

Where did you see the picture with a monk in it? I missed that, that's very interesting.

[sirchin]

[QUOTE=bunnydixon;146160]yeah doesnt it just seem wrong? what kinda mother would let her son endure all he has when she knows the answers all along!

Because I think she's an evil old hag! LOL!

[Turnip Queen]

The look on bens face was of astonishment when des said are your here to see Faradays mom too! It was as if he was the only one who knew that!

Yeah, I caught that too! How come Ben didn't know? It's always a surprise when Ben doesn't know something, since he seems to know it all! :)
I'm going mad, Fionnula Flanagan, who plays Mrs Hawking, was actually on the Late Late show last night and I missed it cos it's normally crap, and my ma tells me tonight about it! I said 'Why didn't you call me for God's sake? The minute you hear Lost, you call me!'

She's actually Irish, was born in Dublin! So Mrs Hawking is a Dubliner! :D

[Turnip Queen]

Oh, and did anybody else feel, that the minute Jack, Sun and Desmond went into her litte layer, and the door closed, that they were trapped somehow, like the kids in Hansel and Gretel?

[krakup]

Yeah, I caught that too! How come Ben didn't know? It's always a surprise when Ben doesn't know something, since he seems to know it all! :)
I'm going mad, Fionnula Flanagan, who plays Mrs Hawking, was actually on the Late Late show last night and I missed it cos it's normally crap, and my ma tells me tonight about it! I said 'Why didn't you call me for God's sake? The minute you hear Lost, you call me!'

She's actually Irish, was born in Dublin! So Mrs Hawking is a Dubliner! :D

bout time too

[sirchin]

Oh, and did anybody else feel, that the minute Jack, Sun and Desmond went into her litte layer, and the door closed, that they were trapped somehow, like the kids in Hansel and Gretel?

Yes I did get the feeling there was no turning back. Plus I don't understand how she let up on the whole "it has to be all of them" thing. Weird !

[Turnip Queen]

bout time too

I didn't even realise it until I saw her name and checked it out!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

[QUOTE=bunnydixon;146160]yeah doesnt it just seem wrong? what kinda mother would let her son endure all he has when she knows the answers all along!

Because I think she's an evil old hag! LOL!

She's creepy, but I don't think she's evil. I think her whole group is trying to save the world.

[Turnip Queen]

Yes I did get the feeling there was no turning back. Plus I don't understand how she let up on the whole "it has to be all of them" thing. Weird !

Yeah, I didn't understand that either! Weird! How on Earth are they gonna get the rest of them to co-opperate?

[krakup]

I didn't even realise it until I saw her name and checked it out!

the name is not that irish ;)

[LostLate]

bout time too

Krak, trust you're far away from the fires I've heard about?

[Turnip Queen]

the name is not that irish ;)

HAHA It's dead Irish!

[krakup]

Krak, trust you're far away from the fires I've heard about?

g'day late, thanks i'm fine. its not our turn

[boulderheart1]

Did any body notice that when the women was first shown to us - that the souneffect was <We have just shown somebody really important and you should recognize them> sound effect.

And my first thought was (if it was somebody i should know) is that it was the fortune teller that talked to claire, i just assume this because my knowledge of teh first few seasons are quite low so, just thought i'd bring that up tho i am probably wrong.

[smthng2dowthlost]

^^You gotta watch flashes before your eyes season 3 It makes the old lady the craziest character

[LissaMarie]

I know I'm stating the obvious but maybe if we collectively talk through it we can unravel her story.

Aside from the island, she is the tie that binds Ben, Widmore and Desmond.

Ben = She seems to be his trusted adviser, he seems to be accountable to her and is trusting her to get the O6 back.

Widmore = He sent Desmond right to her door, whether she turns out to be Dan's Mommy or not. She also was instrumental in keeping Penny and Des apart which was Widmore's goal.

Desmond = She advised him not to change history by proposing to Penny and told Des that he needed to push the button.

The most interesting tie is through Brother Campbell. Desmond was set to marry Ruth. 1 week before the wedding, Desmond had "too many pints", woke up to a monk asking him, "Can I help you brother?", Des knew he was supposed to go with him and then joined the monastery. Des then gets fired, returns his robe and we see a picture on Brother Campbell's desk of him and Ms. Hawking. When Des asks what he should do with himself, Brother Campbell says, "God has bigger plans for you" and "you should do whatever comes next". Ironically, the next thing that happens is meeting Penny who was sent to the monastery by her father, Charles Widmore, to buy wine.

So if Penny was sent there by her father on the same day Des was fired by Brother Campbell, is it possible it was a set-up? Whose side is Ms. Hawking on since she has ties to both sides? And was Widmore part of setting up the meeting of Des and Penny? Was Ms. Hawking? Was Ben?

[jasonm222]

YES! That is what i suggested on my local forum in AUS. But i was thinking that maybe Penny has been in cahootz with her daddy from the get go. Man, did i get slandered after posting that! In season 2 (cant remember Which episode) Desmond says "penny said to me once, you can find anyone with enough time and money". Now he said this referring to a conversation that took place not long after meeting him at the monastery and before he went missing on the race around the world. I put forward the notion that Penny and charles widmore, through the foresight of Eloise, were searching for desmond due to his unique ability. which is that the rules dont apply to him, due to his exposure to the electromagnetic explosion of the swan.(even though the explosion happened after he was stranded on the island.) That always happened so it must still happen. They had to find desmond so that the timline was not disrupted! also in response to the question" whose side is Eloise on?" I think she is on noones side. she is like Switzerland! or she just works for the greater good, of humanity

[Turnip Queen]

I know I'm stating the obvious but maybe if we collectively talk through it we can unravel her story.

Aside from the island, she is the tie that binds Ben, Widmore and Desmond.

Ben = She seems to be his trusted adviser, he seems to be accountable to her and is trusting her to get the O6 back.

Widmore = He sent Desmond right to her door, whether she turns out to be Dan's Mommy or not. She also was instrumental in keeping Penny and Des apart which was Widmore's goal.

Desmond = She advised him not to change history by proposing to Penny and told Des that he needed to push the button.

The most interesting tie is through Brother Campbell. Desmond was set to marry Ruth. 1 week before the wedding, Desmond had "too many pints", woke up to a monk asking him, "Can I help you brother?", Des knew he was supposed to go with him and then joined the monastery. Des then gets fired, returns his robe and we see a picture on Brother Campbell's desk of him and Ms. Hawking. When Des asks what he should do with himself, Brother Campbell says, "God has bigger plans for you" and "you should do whatever comes next". Ironically, the next thing that happens is meeting Penny who was sent to the monastery by her father, Charles Widmore, to buy wine.

So if Penny was sent there by her father on the same day Des was fired by Brother Campbell, is it possible it was a set-up? Whose side is Ms. Hawking on since she has ties to both sides? And was Widmore part of setting up the meeting of Des and Penny? Was Ms. Hawking? Was Ben?

Wow you make a really good point there! When you really think about it, whose side IS she on?

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

This is going to be sooooo interesting, isn't it? Even Ben seems to wonder to some extent about this one.:eek:

[JacksAASponsor]

Wow you make a really good point there! When you really think about it, whose side IS she on?

Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way... Perhaps we shouldn't be asking whose side she's on because a) maybe there are more than two sides and b) who's to say she is subjected to sides? We are under the assumption that it's as if there are two ultimate sides, Ben and Widmore, with Hawking underneath them. But what if it's Ben and Widmore trying to get on Hawking's side. Does that even make sense? I think I worded that awkwardly.
Anyway, maybe Hawking is really in control here and is using both Ben and Widmore. She knew Widmore could manipulate Des because SHE knows he's special. But she never told this to Ben, which is why Ben is so surprised to see Des but more importantly he is surprised that Des knows who Faraday is.
I'm at work right now, so I can't really rewatch any episodes to check this so maybe you guys can help me out since your collective memory will be much better than mine. But I don't think Faraday and Desmond met on the island (or at the very least not that Ben would know of) so I think Ben was surprised to hear Des say something about Faraday because Des was never supposed to meet Faraday (neither during his flashes on the boat where we first learn about constants or at the hatch). Ben seems to know what is SUPPOSED to happen, but not these tweaks that Des is involved with.
Kind of a half-baked theory, I know. Let me know what you guys think.

[LissaMarie]

Maybe we are looking at this the wrong way... Perhaps we shouldn't be asking whose side she's on because a) maybe there are more than two sides and b) who's to say she is subjected to sides? We are under the assumption that it's as if there are two ultimate sides, Ben and Widmore, with Hawking underneath them. But what if it's Ben and Widmore trying to get on Hawking's side. Does that even make sense?

Your comments make a lot of sense! I like your train of thought a lot. To paraphrase, I think you're saying that Ms. Hawking is a neutral third party that, for whatever reason, seems to hold all the power. Ben and Widmore are pitted against one another but she doesn't hava anything to do with their feud. That's interesting and makes a lot of sense!

I have a thought as to the feud between Ben and Widmore. What if it's simply science vs. faith? Ben, with his use of technology to control the inhabitants on the island and obvious quest to "fix" the island's issues with fertility through science vs. Widmore and his antiquated technology despite his wealth and his saying to Ben, "That island is mine, Benjamin. It always was. It will be again", and the presence of the temple. What I find most interesting in light of what you theorized about Ms. Hawkings is her headquarters. It is literally a church on top of a science station! Just something to ponder!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

**looks high and low for "Train of Thought"**
I miss her....

[JacksAASponsor]

Your comments make a lot of sense! I like your train of thought a lot. To paraphrase, I think you're saying that Ms. Hawking is a neutral third party that, for whatever reason, seems to hold all the power. Ben and Widmore are pitted against one another but she doesn't hava anything to do with their feud. That's interesting and makes a lot of sense!

I have a thought as to the feud between Ben and Widmore. What if it's simply science vs. faith? Ben, with his use of technology to control the inhabitants on the island and obvious quest to "fix" the island's issues with fertility through science vs. Widmore and his antiquated technology despite his wealth and his saying to Ben, "That island is mine, Benjamin. It always was. It will be again", and the presence of the temple. What I find most interesting in light of what you theorized about Ms. Hawkings is her headquarters. It is literally a church on top of a science station! Just something to ponder!

I really like this idea of science vs. faith. The producers certainly do imply this a lot whether it be through episode titles or just the reoccurring theme of such.
So far, I believe that Eloise Hawking is....
a) Ellie (the young girl who escorts Faraday to the bomb)
b) Faraday's mother
c) Penny's mother
My reasoning for C is the distraught reply Penny has to Des saying she is dead. I think Penny has been raised around this obsession with the island whether it be from her father, her mother, her brother (Faraday), her brother's girlfriend (Teresa I think was her name? and who I believe to be the mother of Charlotte with Faraday).
I guess I should explain that last part... I think now that they are unstuck in Dharma time, Faraday will meet Charlotte's mother and fall in love with her being that she reminds him so much of Charlotte. Note the obvious lack of physical attraction between Charlotte and Faraday in order to make it not as weird when we eventually find this out. This reminds me of a sci fi story where a man goes back in time and ends up becoming his own father (only not quite as bizarre), which seems to be the type of stuff Lost writers love to utilize in their plotting.
Went way out on a limb on this one, feel free to rip it apart.

[LissaMarie]

I'm not the "rip apart" type...no worries! I do agree that Ms. Hawking may turn out to be Penny's Mom. Penny seemed to know that Des was lying to her about Faraday's Mom being dead, and not in the "you're my husband and I know when you're lying" kind of way. It was as if she knows his mother personally and knows she isn't dead. Which means that she knows Daniel and a lot more about the island than we may think she does.

I'm not sure about the Charlotte being Daniel's daughter part and here's why. He said he was "IN LOVE" with the woman sitting next to him. That would be really creepy if he turned out to be her father, wouldn't it? I have thought about the idea a lot because there is something odd about their chemistry but I just can't get past the "IN LOVE" thing.

[LissaMarie]

One more thought...

Since we have seen Abbadon seemingly involved in both sides, maybe he is working with Ms. Hawking and is part of the "neutral" team?

[krakup]

One more thought...

Since we have seen Abbadon seemingly involved in both sides, maybe he is working with Ms. Hawking and is part of the "neutral" team?

add it to the list of what we need to know lol

[JacksAASponsor]

One more thought...

Since we have seen Abbadon seemingly involved in both sides, maybe he is working with Ms. Hawking and is part of the "neutral" team?

Lovin' this idea. Especially since we've seen him recruit for Widmore's team. Can anyone remember what the questions were that he asked Hurley? It seems like he was pretty hostile towards him if I remember correctly. I find it interesting that Abbadon interogated Hurley but not the other O'6?

[LissaMarie]

Lovin' this idea. Especially since we've seen him recruit for Widmore's team. Can anyone remember what the questions were that he asked Hurley? It seems like he was pretty hostile towards him if I remember correctly. I find it interesting that Abbadon interogated Hurley but not the other O'6?

The only thing I can remember off the top is ,"Are you REALLY fine, Mr. Reyes?" Creepy dude, that's for sure! And remember he was encouraging Locke to go on a walkabout while he was going through physical therapy.

[sirchin]

The only thing I can remember off the top is ,"Are you REALLY fine, Mr. Reyes?" Creepy dude, that's for sure! And remember he was encouraging Locke to go on a walkabout while he was going through physical therapy.

Maybe he (Abaddon) knew Locke was going to be stranded on the island and that's what he meant by "walkabout".

[sirchin]

For some reason I was thinking about old hag Hawkings (it's a pet name) anyway, I realized I have seen her in another movie. It was called "The Others"
starring Nicole Kidman. She was creepy on there too, but more likeable. I don't know how that clicked in my head, the two characters are so different. But she
was great on that movie. Just a little FYI

[notsolost42]

I really wish people would stop calling Mrs. Hawking an old hag!!!! I take that personally!!!! I'm old and I exsplain physics and I am not a hag or creepy!!! LOL!!!! Show some darned respect for a Time Lord, will ya??? LOL!!!

[sirchin]

I really wish people would stop calling Mrs. Hawking an old hag!!!! I take that personally!!!! I'm old and I exsplain physics and I am not a hag or creepy!!! LOL!!!! Show some darned respect for a Time Lord, will ya??? LOL!!!

I said it was just a pet name. I'm sorry I'm like Sawyer, I like nicknames.

[notsolost42]

I said it was just a pet name. I'm sorry I'm like Sawyer, I like nicknames.

Well then! LOL!!!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

**whispers into Sirch's ear**
Don't tell anybody, but NotSo's actually quite beautiful...just very shy, you know...and modest...:)

[notsolost42]

**whispers into Sirch's ear**
Don't tell anybody, but NotSo's actually quite beautiful...just very shy, you know...and modest...:)

Not bad for an old hag!!!!

[tpbaxter]

man alive! i am exhausted from reading all the posts in this thread. you people need to stop being so damn polite to each other!

and it's not like this forum is built for quick scan-ability. the pages are slow since there are so many images (and i have a pretty decent connection) and so as i'm scrolling the page is still moving... how annoying!

argh!

anyway i just wanted to post that i agree that i don't think Hawking is taking sides. i don't think she is a Good vs. Evil character and i don't even think she's a Faith vs. Science character, i think she's a Destiny vs. Free Will character... although that may tie in to faith and science but i still prefer to differentiate...

also i think she serves a simiar purpose as Faraday which is to explain the craziness to the viewer. Faraday is explaining the science parts of time travel while Hawking is explaining the mystical parts of it? and i said in another post somewhere that i think all this time travel business is really a way to get at their Destiny vs. Free Will themes.

am i babling now? well i am very fatigued from reading all these pleasantries. because of that i would like to say i hate you all. Eloise is a crazy old hag by the way. take that!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Hi, Bax... for someone who dislikes pleasantries so, one would think you'd like my Ben more... you ARE a puzzlement, little man...

[notsolost42]

Hi, Bax... for someone who dislikes pleasantries so, one would think you'd like my Ben more... you ARE a puzzlement, little man...

Maybe he'd like some cheese with that whine?

*checks ID*

Nope! That's what I thought!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Maybe we could entice him with some food!!!!
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll308/lockekid/bitedonut.jpg

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Ohhh, Baaaa-aaaax..... I seeeeeee youuuuuu.....
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll308/lockekid/benfacialfd1.jpg

[notsolost42]

Maybe we could entice him with some food!!!!
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll308/lockekid/bitedonut.jpg

Want some can..day, kid? Come 'ere!
Locke, don'y you have a nice, big picture of candy for him?

[notsolost42]

Ohhh, Baaaa-aaaax..... I seeeeeee youuuuuu.....
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll308/lockekid/benfacialfd1.jpg

OMG!!!! BE STILL MY HEART!!!!!

[stargazer]

I just don't get it!

[boutte]

man alive! i am exhausted from reading all the posts in this thread. you people need to stop being so damn polite to each other!

and it's not like this forum is built for quick scan-ability. the pages are slow since there are so many images (and i have a pretty decent connection) and so as i'm scrolling the page is still moving... how annoying!

argh!

anyway i just wanted to post that i agree that i don't think Hawking is taking sides. i don't think she is a Good vs. Evil character and i don't even think she's a Faith vs. Science character, i think she's a Destiny vs. Free Will character... although that may tie in to faith and science but i still prefer to differentiate...

also i think she serves a simiar purpose as Faraday which is to explain the craziness to the viewer. Faraday is explaining the science parts of time travel while Hawking is explaining the mystical parts of it? and i said in another post somewhere that i think all this time travel business is really a way to get at their Destiny vs. Free Will themes.

am i babling now? well i am very fatigued from reading all these pleasantries. because of that i would like to say i hate you all. Eloise is a crazy old hag by the way. take that!

You're allways either babbling or whining. Either way it's pointless.

[notsolost42]

I just don't get it!

Star!!!!!! Come to Barma....

[LissaMarie]

I am SOOOOOO onto you, TP! You don't hate us. You just like to "stir the pot", that's all. I get it! You're what my Daddy would call a sh#@ disturber! And that's ok. I like ornery people and a "devil's advocate". I welcome a healthy debate and different opinions than my own. Bring it!! I just choose to do it with respect and a smile on my face, that's all! So I will say it loud and proud...

I LIKE YOU, TP!! SO SUCK IT!!!! :)

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

I am SOOOOOO onto you, TP! You don't hate us. You just like to "stir the pot", that's all. I get it! You're what my Daddy would call a sh#@ disturber! And that's ok. I like ornery people and a "devil's advocate". I welcome a healthy debate and different opinions than my own. Bring it!! I just choose to do it with respect and a smile on my face, that's all! So I will say it loud and proud...

I LIKE YOU, TP!! SO SUCK IT!!!! :)

Yeah! And she's a BEN LOVER!!!! :D:cool:

[tpbaxter]

I am SOOOOOO onto you, TP! You don't hate us. You just like to "stir the pot", that's all. I get it! You're what my Daddy would call a sh#@ disturber! And that's ok. I like ornery people and a "devil's advocate". I welcome a healthy debate and different opinions than my own. Bring it!! I just choose to do it with respect and a smile on my face, that's all! So I will say it loud and proud...

I LIKE YOU, TP!! SO SUCK IT!!!! :)

do you know that sh#@ disturber was actually going to be the name of one of Prodigy's biggest hits? someone said Firestarter was catchier so they switched to that at the last minute.

this has been another moment in 'things that didn't really happen.'

brought to you by Johnson & Johnson.


anyway, my mom always taught me that if you didn't have anything nice to say you should scream it at the top of your lungs in front of 50,000 screaming lunatics while wearing a painted body suit and helmet.

big Giants fan my mom was...

[notsolost42]

do you know that sh#@ disturber was actually going to be the name of one of Prodigy's biggest hits? someone said Firestarter was catchier so they switched to that at the last minute.

this has been another moment in 'things that didn't really happen.'

brought to you by Johnson & Johnson.


anyway, my mom always taught me that if you didn't have anything nice to say you should scream it at the top of your lungs in front of 50,000 screaming lunatics while wearing a painted body suit and helmet.

big Giants fan my mom was...

Seriously, honey, are you on drugs right now?

[tpbaxter]

Seriously, honey, are you on drugs right now?

no but i think these people might be:

http://content.expressen.se/blog/09/04/94/tabac/images/prodigy.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I29-VeX4Dv4)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I29-VeX4Dv4

i'm sayin... imagine it was sh*t disturber instead of firestarter... nevermind.

[LissaMarie]

do you know that sh#@ disturber was actually going to be the name of one of Prodigy's biggest hits? someone said Firestarter was catchier so they switched to that at the last minute.

this has been another moment in 'things that didn't really happen.'

brought to you by Johnson & Johnson.


anyway, my mom always taught me that if you didn't have anything nice to say you should scream it at the top of your lungs in front of 50,000 screaming lunatics while wearing a painted body suit and helmet.

big Giants fan my mom was...


You are an interesting human, TP! You bring an extra little "umph" to the board and I, for one, like it! Carry on, my friend...

(And no, I didn't know that about Prodigy but I think that's funny (and I'm thrilled that I'm still hip enough to know who that is)! I never have come up with a good synonym for sh#$ disturber other than "pot stirrer" and that just doesn't have the same panache, you know? Fire starter I like!:D (Sorry for being nice and agreeable again...I know you like it when people are nasty and full of hatred so BITE ME!!):p

[tpbaxter]

+1 for using the word panache

prodigy isn't that hip anymore and the fact that you know them probably means you're getting old... like me :-/

other alterations on this phrase from the same group:


trouble starter
punkin instigator
danger illustrated
filth infatuated
mind detonator
twisted animator


sh*t disturber is actually a very strange phrase. i guess sh*t starter is one that starts sh*t, but a sh*t disturber is one who disturbs... i'm getting confused... your father was weird.

please don't call me human again, that's very presumptuous... i don't even know what i'm talking about anymore... i need to go to bed now.

by the way, i think my original point was to agree with most of you in saying that Eloise Hawking was not on anyone's side?

[LissaMarie]

+1 for using the word panache

prodigy isn't that hip anymore and the fact that you know them probably means you're getting old... like me :-/

other alterations on this phrase from the same group:


trouble starter
punkin instigator
danger illustrated
filth infatuated
mind detonator
twisted animator


sh*t disturber is actually a very strange phrase. i guess sh*t starter is one that starts sh*t, but a sh*t disturber is one who disturbs... i'm getting confused... your father was weird.

please don't call me human again, that's very presumptuous... i don't even know what i'm talking about anymore... i need to go to bed now.

by the way, i think my original point was to agree with most of you in saying that Eloise Hawking was not on anyone's side?


You will forevermore be punkin instigator to me!!

[sirchin]

Ohhh, Baaaa-aaaax..... I seeeeeee youuuuuu.....
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll308/lockekid/benfacialfd1.jpg

Okay, that was an over-share, he oozes evilness!