The island in the bubble

[PacmanIsLost]

I know I probably sound like a broken record talking about how the island is moving but after reading through all of the posts about Faraday's experiment i was intrigued by something forum member Jaytee mentioned and that was that the payload clock was faster and the island clock was slow and he asked if anyone else could verify this...

Well I just watched it again and the clock from the payload is in fact ahead by 31 minutes which means time is slower on the island which would again lead me back to the conclusion that the island is moving rather than the payload having gone through a wormhole...

the payload clock said 3:16:22 while the clock on the island said 2:45:03

after thinking about it more i think that these are definitely both 12 or 24 hour regular clocks because a timer like a stopwatch would be harder to synchronize... and it would be more difficult to gauge the precise change that occurred....

so let's say that he asks for the beacon at 2:00 and she says it gets there almost immediately... well he then waits 45 minutes and it finally lands but he then looks inside and the device says it has been travelling for an hour and 16 minutes...

i would again hypothesize that their is a moving bubble surrounding the island and that the farther away one is from the island, the further they are from travelling at the speed of light...because obviously this payload still has to be able to reach its destination... since this is the first time daniel is finding out about the time dilation or difference and there is nothing to tell him days, months or years, i think it is then safe to assume that it is indeed only 31 minutes.... but it would be a whole different ballgame outside of this bubble... Regina would see on her scanner or whatever that the payload was at the target but since the target is travelling so fast it would seemingly disappear as soon as it got that close on first approach from the perspective of the sender....

Another important thing to note is that Daniel stresses that Lapidis must follow the same bearing...I now believe this is because the freighter is slipping farther away so if they get to where they thought the freighter was, it won't be there, but if they keep going in the same direction for a longer amount of time, they will run right into it...

After writing all of this it also brings to mind the image of the snowglobe we saw in at least one episode (i can't remember where) and that perhaps that is one of the biggest hints that the show has given us... and i think this could also relate to the reflected image of the city skyline in the promos in some way.... any thoughts?

[PacmanIsLost]

i think desmond's flashes are a hint to this as well as he turns the key, the hatch implodes and he goes through several days (if not years) of his life and wakes up on the island only a few hours later it would seem...

[PacmanIsLost]

the snow globe is referred to in the season finale of season 2...desmond's first flashback episode

also, i think that great circles may play a part in all of this, say for example that the island is inside a snow globe formation and that a city like LA is the other hemisphere of that snow globe's complete sphere.... for a quick technical explanation check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_circle

[Dzbabykel]

Yah to go along with the snow globe thing you talk about, I rewatched the episode 'Special' form the first season and I noticed when Walt is looking at the spanish comic book, the page before the one with the polar bear was a drawing of some kind of shield or bubble surrounding this castle or something.....I dunno it reminded me of the "snow globe" theory people have been talking about.

[jacksnurse]

Yeah....Dz..we picked that up right away too...had to go back and rewatch...its like everything in the artwork and comic books exist...freaky

[Jaytee]

Thanks for the mention...

I am not too sure about the whole electromagnetic aspect, but I definitely believe that the island is some kind of isolated entity. It's time progression is completely seperate from the outside world. There is some kind of proportion of time inside and outside of the bubble. Something like 100days inside /365x3years outside.

Hmm...thats 1095 days, wasn't 1080 a significant number? or was it 108? EDIT: The Hatch! (Sorry, my noobieness showed there...) So thats 10.8 days per day on the island. Every 108 minutes the hatch number has to be entered. Probably just me trying to skew the numbers my way. Worth a mention, though.

Also, I see no reason to think that the island is "moving." Can someone enlighten me why people keep thinking that the island is moving?

[Archangel-Player]

I know I probably sound like a broken record talking about how the island is moving but after reading through all of the posts about Faraday's experiment i was intrigued by something forum member Jaytee mentioned and that was that the payload clock was faster and the island clock was slow and he asked if anyone else could verify this...

Well I just watched it again and the clock from the payload is in fact ahead by 31 minutes which means time is slower on the island which would again lead me back to the conclusion that the island is moving rather than the payload having gone through a wormhole...

the payload clock said 3:16:22 while the clock on the island said 2:45:03

after thinking about it more i think that these are definitely both 12 or 24 hour regular clocks because a timer like a stopwatch would be harder to synchronize... and it would be more difficult to gauge the precise change that occurred....

so let's say that he asks for the beacon at 2:00 and she says it gets there almost immediately... well he then waits 45 minutes and it finally lands but he then looks inside and the device says it has been travelling for an hour and 16 minutes...

i would again hypothesize that their is a moving bubble surrounding the island and that the farther away one is from the island, the further they are from travelling at the speed of light...because obviously this payload still has to be able to reach its destination... since this is the first time daniel is finding out about the time dilation or difference and there is nothing to tell him days, months or years, i think it is then safe to assume that it is indeed only 31 minutes.... but it would be a whole different ballgame outside of this bubble... Regina would see on her scanner or whatever that the payload was at the target but since the target is travelling so fast it would seemingly disappear as soon as it got that close on first approach from the perspective of the sender....

Another important thing to note is that Daniel stresses that Lapidis must follow the same bearing...I now believe this is because the freighter is slipping farther away so if they get to where they thought the freighter was, it won't be there, but if they keep going in the same direction for a longer amount of time, they will run right into it...

After writing all of this it also brings to mind the image of the snowglobe we saw in at least one episode (i can't remember where) and that perhaps that is one of the biggest hints that the show has given us... and i think this could also relate to the reflected image of the city skyline in the promos in some way.... any thoughts?
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1.)Well I just watched it again and the clock from the payload is in fact ahead by 31 minutes which means time is slower on the island which would again lead me back to the conclusion that the island is moving rather than the payload having gone through a wormhole...

Exactly. it is moving. But at a slower time. We know it's atleast 30 mins slower than the Payday. Question is. How much slower compaired to the outside world? According to the flash backs or Jack's should I say. It's 2007. Two yrs after the 2004 date on the island as we are curently seeing. Could it actualy be in the flash fwds to the survivers only a few months have passed since coming home. while to the rest of the world it has been two yrs? Man I can't wait to get more information on the way time works on the island.
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Ok. Say there is a type of snow globe shielding around the island. I belive there WAS one. Because anything trying to leave the island would eventualy come back to the island and never leave a certine distance from the island. that was why everyone keept sailing back instead of forward. Question is why. I would think the Swan and teh island's own unique massive electromagtism it give soff are the keys there. Now thatthe Swan is gone. There isn't any way of controling it. Or is there? Apparantly Something out there is controling the speed in which time it's self if coming to and from the island. Atleast it seems that way to me. Back to the shielding. I don'tthink this shielding/Snow globe is there anymore. Because the chopters both made itto the island an dboth crashed as they got near the island.So th eisland's natural Electromagtism is still effecting aircraft type vehicles. But what about boats? Can they still sail away from the island? If my theiory on Mike being the spy aboard the freighter then I would say yes. He obvisly got on there by the boat he receaved from Ben.

[PacmanIsLost]

so what if the island was in one of the devil's vertices and once you slipped inside the boundaries you were stuck there and began to travel along wherever it went unless you had a way to navigate back to the real world... so then the freighter could slip inside, and everyone starts flying to the island...and because of all the crazy magnetism and electrical storms it's hard to fly inside the vertex and often causes crashes and perhaps the magnetism on the island was the source of creating this vertex and the rules were changed after the incident, and again after the hatch imploded and now the consequences of being inside are getting more severe when compared to what is going on outside.... this would also allow for michael to have sailed away from the island and run into the freighter since they are both inside the vertex and ben had prior knowledge that it was there because of their surveillance in the Flame...

[Dzbabykel]

Can someone please explain to me what you all mean by "the island is moving"? I'm totally following you all but I'm just confused on HOW its moving? Ok thanks! :D

[PacmanIsLost]

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/

check out this theory...it's one of the simplest yet most complete that i've read and before this third episode was fairly convincing though now it has a few more holes.... one of the things that keeps bringing me back to the island moving is how the producers reacted to the question about it (this appears on this link after the third paragraph)...let me know what you think

[jacksnurse]

yeah..i read this on lostpedia a while back and it does make "simple" sense.....it would explain the shorter days on the island and possibly why people age more slowly...maybe even why women living on the island can't go through a normal pregnancy....claire was already full term and ready to pop ....and rosseau....lets see what happens to sun...

[banginailz]

This is good stuff but why arent radio waves affected?

[PacmanIsLost]

probably because they have no mass

[Archangel-Player]

Radio waves are a form of electricty. Electricty and Magtism mix. The more electricty produced into the field of curent the more powerful the radio wave. So the high extream Electromagtism the islandnaturaly give soff had no problem receaving and tranceaving radio waves in fact it was so powerful it could possably retain radio waves from the past. What was causing the signals to be blocked was the radio transmition set up by Rousseau. Once the recording wa s stoped all signals could be picked up and heard. But they couldn't be sent off the island due to the jamming equipment in the Looking Glass. Which now both jammers are out of order and now signals can be heard
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Radio waves

ITU Radio Band Symbols
VLF LF MF HF VHF UHF SHF EHF

NATO Radio bands
A B C D E F G H I J K L M

IEEE Radar bands
HF VHF UHF L S C X Ku K Ka V W

Radio waves are electromagnetic waves occurring on the radio frequency portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. A common use is to transport information through the atmosphere or outer space without wires. Radio waves are distinguished from other kinds of electromagnetic waves by their wavelength, a relatively long wavelength in the electromagnetic spectrum.

Contents [hide]
1 What makes radio waves?
2 Propagation of radio waves
3 Discovery
4 Radio portion of the electromagnetic spectrum
4.1 Notes
5 Named frequency bands
5.1 General
5.2 Amateur radio frequencies
5.3 IEEE US
5.4 EU, NATO, US ECM frequency designations
5.5 Waveguide frequency bands
6 References
7 See also
8 References



[edit] What makes radio waves?

Diagram of the electric (E) and magnetic (H) fields of Radio Waves emanating from a radio transmitting antenna (small dark vertical line in the center). The E and H fields are perpendicular as implied by the phase diagram in the lower right.Radio waves are usually produced by electric current alternating at radio frequency flowing in a special purpose conductor, called an antenna. Antenna dimensions must generally be comparable to wavelength to work efficiently. Very long waves are not practical because of the enormous antennas needed to produce them, although they are sometimes produced by lightning. Radio waves are also produced by cosmic phenomena in deep space. Actually, any kind of reciprocating motion of electric charges or magnets can produce radio waves if it is fast enough. Although very impractical, even a person waving a charged stick very fast can produce faint radio waves.

[rcrow]

How come Walt and his dad sailed off an a specific heading and the other seemed to use a submarine? Is there on course that can travel in between the island and the real world?

[PacmanIsLost]

How come Walt and his dad sailed off an a specific heading and the other seemed to use a submarine? Is there on course that can travel in between the island and the real world?

maybe ben sent them to the freighter knowing it would be coming.... and the submarine probably followed the beacon so it could go back and forth