Season 1..first episode?

[Newbie]

I know i am a newbie..as my name describes. But the writers stated we missed a BIG clue in the first episode? This proably has been discussed a million times but what did I (we) miss?
Charlie wasnt in his seat, and should be dead?
Jack missed(blackedout) the crash and might have "flashed" there to begin with?
Locke talking with Walt about the the oldest game ever(backgammon--Good/evil--light side, dark side)?

Jack runs by a pair of white shoes(first2mins of show)..guessing shoes on his dead father(christian)?

I rewatched first episode(s)..I LOVE this show

[Sir William]

Great thought that the white shoes that Jack saw were previously on his dead father. He must have taken them off. That is why Jack had to put his fater's shoes on John Locke. Christian wanted his shoes back. I think the big thing that we missed is that Jacob is in that first episode. I have not rewatched the whole thing but, I have been looking for Brenan.

[toomanyquestions]

I never heard that before. Hm... whatever it was; it must've been really subtle.... There doesn't SEEM to be anything we missed... maybe there's a minor "mess-up" in the episode that might bring up new questions or help solve others.

[notsolost42]

I know i am a newbie..as my name describes. But the writers stated we missed a BIG clue in the first episode? This proably has been discussed a million times but what did I (we) miss?
Charlie wasnt in his seat, and should be dead?
Jack missed(blackedout) the crash and might have "flashed" there to begin with?
Locke talking with Walt about the the oldest game ever(backgammon--Good/evil--light side, dark side)?

Jack runs by a pair of white shoes(first2mins of show)..guessing shoes on his dead father(christian)?

I rewatched first episode(s)..I LOVE this show

It should have tipped us off that there are multiple dimensions that they are in at the same time. Charlie living when everyone else in that section was elsewhere is a good example. We saw multiple dimensions simultaneously. Just like now with Kate waking up twice and saying two different things when she made it back to the island.

[toomanyquestions]

wait... i re-read ur thing. i'm sure this has been said, but i think ur onto something with the oldest game thing... we found a white and a black stone in the pockets of Adam and Eve. Hurley beats Mr. Ecko in a game of chess... what color piece was Hurley playing?

[notsolost42]

wait... i re-read ur thing. i'm sure this has been said, but i think ur onto something with the oldest game thing... we found a white and a black stone in the pockets of Adam and Eve. Hurley beats Mr. Ecko in a game of chess... what color piece was Hurley playing?

Do you mean me and my thread about the game Go and all the crazy math that seems to fit?

[toomanyquestions]

Do you mean me and my thread about the game Go and all the crazy math that seems to fit?

haha, idk. but i mean lost producers use the white vs black clues a lot... maybe if we put those sequences and scenes together, we can find something familiar in each of them (about the game). I don't know what it'll mean, but its deffinately a big clue about SOMETHING... maybe not the season 1 episode 1 clue tho.... I'll re-watch the episode soon.

[LissaMarie]

Being the type who needs to see it with my own eyes, I spent a little time a few months ago researching this exact topic. I wanted to read or hear Cuse or Lindelof say that we had missed something important in the first episode. I stumbled across an interview ODI had with one of the writers. It was one of those "fan submitted questions" type interviews and the writer was asked that exact question. His answer was that the thing we missed was when Charlie said, "Hey guys...where are we".

Pretty anti-climactic if you ask me but maybe it will make more sense when we have more info?!

[Newbie]

wait... i re-read ur thing. i'm sure this has been said, but i think ur onto something with the oldest game thing... we found a white and a black stone in the pockets of Adam and Eve. Hurley beats Mr. Ecko in a game of chess... what color piece was Hurley playing?

the writers have also stated..that Adam and Eve were put inside the show to PROVE that they had an "idea" how it would end, and didnt want people to believe they went with the story as it went on. They said we could look "back" at this moment and know they had a "purpose" , "meaning" ,
""!!ENDing!!""
from the start of the show?

[notsolost42]

Being the type who needs to see it with my own eyes, I spent a little time a few months ago researching this exact topic. I wanted to read or hear Cuse or Lindelof say that we had missed something important in the first episode. I stumbled across an interview ODI had with one of the writers. It was one of those "fan submitted questions" type interviews and the writer was asked that exact question. His answer was that the thing we missed was when Charlie said, "Hey guys...where are we".

Pretty anti-climactic if you ask me but maybe it will make more sense when we have more info?!

Lissa, maybe he was being sarcastic in his answer.

[Newbie]

Lissa, maybe he was being sarcastic in his answer.

I'm new..but maybe... "notsolost" is Tottaly lost?

[notsolost42]

I'm new..but maybe... "notsolost" is Tottaly lost?

Are you trying to be funny? Gee, it went way over my head.

[LissaMarie]

Lissa, maybe he was being sarcastic in his answer.

I'm sure it's possible that I missed the sarcasm but it doesn't happen too often! I'm usually pretty sharp. Usually...;)

[notsolost42]

I'm sure it's possible that I missed the sarcasm but it doesn't happen too often! I'm usually pretty sharp. Usually...;)

Well, I can agree that you are sharp Lissa. After all the posts I've seen from you, I know it.
I think I am going to rewatch the first epi again and try and jot down all of the strange things, like the one everyone keeps questioning with Charlie on the plane. We'll see if I come up with anything.

[LissaMarie]

OH! Speaking of USUALLY being pretty sharp...

I just remembered that I posted this under the Season 1 thread a few weeks back and found the link. Here is what it said:



Question 60.We have heard repeatedly that the Pilot episode contains some kind of "big clue" to the show... Any help here?

I personally have always thought it was the "godfather" orange scene with Locke...*cough*...

If you are talking about what DL said about the fans never figuring out a clue in the pilot he answered it already. It is the part where CHARLIE states "Guys. Where are we?"

[LissaMarie]

Well, I can agree that you are sharp Lissa. After all the posts I've seen from you, I know it.
I think I am going to rewatch the first epi again and try and jot down all of the strange things, like the one everyone keeps questioning with Charlie on the plane. We'll see if I come up with anything.

You're sweet, Notsolost. Right back 'atcha, my friend!

[notsolost42]

You're sweet, Notsolost. Right back 'atcha, my friend!

Aw shucks....

[Every 108 Minutes]

OH! Speaking of USUALLY being pretty sharp...

I just remembered that I posted this under the Season 1 thread a few weeks back and found the link. Here is what it said:



Question 60.We have heard repeatedly that the Pilot episode contains some kind of "big clue" to the show... Any help here?

I personally have always thought it was the "godfather" orange scene with Locke...*cough*...

If you are talking about what DL said about the fans never figuring out a clue in the pilot he answered it already. It is the part where CHARLIE states "Guys. Where are we?"

but how is that in any way a clue? was it sarcasm?

[LOSTonTHEroad]

Its not about where they are, as Charlie put it... Its about when they are.

They plane was flying in 2004, but crashed in ????(1996?)

Both the Game Theory, and Time Loop Theory Support this Outcome.:eek:

[Newbie]

Its not about where they are, as Charlie put it... Its about when they are.

They plane was flying in 2004, but crashed in ????(1996?)

Both the Game Theory, and Time Loop Theory Support this Outcome.:eek:

I have heard a few time loop theories(for example: When Desmond pushes the button he is maintaining the island so it doesnt move to the furture..and ben,richard are time travelers to prevent the destruction of the island)
but what is the Game theory?
(Guessing)..Ben and Widmore are playing a game to win the island(need for "RULES")

[Moxy]

Hello
What is the Game Theory and notsolost - what was your maths/oldest game thread you referred to.....I'm intrigued......can you point me in the thread direction....

[notsolost42]

Hello
What is the Game Theory and notsolost - what was your maths/oldest game thread you referred to.....I'm intrigued......can you point me in the thread direction....

Hopeully it's still around. It is about an ancient game called Go. It was played by a few ancient cultures. It utilizes a board similar to checkers and simple black and white stones. The math behind all of the games has to do with something called P-Sace and Exptime. Simply put they are the mathematical propabilities (probability problems like Mrs. H's on the blackboard) about the theoretical possibilities of different outcomes in the game. There are some with finite probabillities and some without. It is all based on algarythms which I don't particularly get.

Wiki has great stuff about Go and PSPACE. Very interesting how the stones from Go look like the stones Jack found with Adam and Eve.

[Newbie]

Hopeully it's still around. It is about an ancient game called Go. It was played by a few ancient cultures. It utilizes a board similar to checkers and simple black and white stones. The math behind all of the games has to do with something called P-Sace and Exptime. Simply put they are the mathematical propabilities (probability problems like Mrs. H's on the blackboard) about the theoretical possibilities of different outcomes in the game. There are some with finite probabillities and some without. It is all based on algarythms which I don't particularly get.

Wiki has great stuff about Go and PSPACE. Very interesting how the stones from Go look like the stones Jack found with Adam and Eve.

Very first Episode, Locke plays backgammon with Walt(locke says backgammon is the oldest game ever) and I thought the stones found on adam and eve looked kinda like the pieces locke and walt were playing with.

Also I have heard the writers state Adam and Eve are a big point in the show to prove they had a vision aboout the ending from the start of the show..and did not just go with the story as time went on. Adam and Eve will be reveiled

[notsolost42]

Very first Episode, Locke plays backgammon with Walt(locke says backgammon is the oldest game ever) and I thought the stones found on adam and eve looked kinda like the pieces locke and walt were playing with.

Also I have heard the writers state Adam and Eve are a big point in the show to prove they had a vision aboout the ending from the start of the show..and did not just go with the story as time went on. Adam and Eve will be reveiled

Actually, Go is the most ancient game and it is played with black and white stones.

[Newbie]

Actually, Go is the most ancient game and it is played with black and white stones.

If you say so..GO..is older..I was stating what locke said on the show, and he was playing backgammon with black and white pieces
Never seen anyone play GO

[notsolost42]

If you say so..GO..is older..I was stating what locke said on the show, and he was playing backgammon with black and white pieces
Never seen anyone play GO

Check it out. It's interesting.

[gingergrant]

There are several game theories.

check out

www.lostisagame.com

and yes, Go is an ancient Chinese game (hmmm, Dharma?) but Backgammon is also and ancient game. Don't know which is older.

[imascootinspook]

I have rewatched the 1st epi so many times...looking for Jacob. Apparently, we have seen him in that episode, but he didn't have a speaking part. I can't figure it out. Only thing I can conclude is that....maybe he wasn't in human form.

[Newbie]

I have rewatched the 1st epi so many times...looking for Jacob. Apparently, we have seen him in that episode, but he didn't have a speaking part. I can't figure it out. Only thing I can conclude is that....maybe he wasn't in human form.

Jacob is suppose to be in the first eposide?? where you hear this?? Did the writers say this?? Do you have a link?
Vincent is Jacob

[razonje]

I am starting to think Jacob is simply the island

[Amp]

i can re call another interveiw were the said Pay careful attention to when charlie states Where are we. Not that it is when charlie said where are we thats not a secret, we can alll cleary see that we didnt miss it, it is something else AROUND that part. And i have figured it out.

[wiley]

i can re call another interveiw were the said Pay careful attention to when charlie states Where are we. Not that it is when charlie said where are we thats not a secret, we can alll cleary see that we didnt miss it, it is something else AROUND that part. And i have figured it out.

AND? are you going to reveal what you figured out, or was there some other reason for your post?

[Amp]

AND? are you going to reveal what you figured out, or was there some other reason for your post?

oh yea sorry forgot, look on the ocean, upper right, black bird flys, by look down, flash in water pause frame, bird is gone, mistake? I think not.

[abcd1234]

I dont think jacob is the island anymore. I did til a few days ago, but it doesnt seem so because of the ties everyone supposedly has to the island.

[wiley]

oh yea sorry forgot, look on the ocean, upper right, black bird flys, by look down, flash in water pause frame, bird is gone, mistake? I think not.

That seems to go with the theory that the island has been moving every 108 minutes except when Desmond didn't push the button up until the hatch blew up.

[Amp]

yep yep it could tie in with that, i was like :O when I saw it.

[krakup]

yep yep it could tie in with that, i was like :O when I saw it.

WOW impressive

[Archangel-Player]

Im thinking back to season 1. The day of the crash. The ones who where unharmed when`t threw A time loop. I know Jack and Locke did. It`s funny when looking back then to seeing the 06 return. You start to see what actualy happend that day. Jack and Locke both woke up in A matter as if they came from another world moments before. I think at the percist moment 815 hit the Hatch`s EM discharge. certin members where zaped into time in A matter where they wake up on the ground as if the crash just happend. But it had been sevral hrs. The big question is. what happend durring that time frame untill they woke up.

[rock-lobster]

oh yea sorry forgot, look on the ocean, upper right, black bird flys, by look down, flash in water pause frame, bird is gone, mistake? I think not.

i can't figure out what you're referring to, or rather just simply can't find it. any help? got a screen cap or something you could get?

[imascootinspook]

Jacob is suppose to be in the first eposide?? where you hear this?? Did the writers say this?? Do you have a link?
Vincent is Jacob

This was discussed back in season 3? I think, when Hurley saw the eye looking back at him from the cabin. I can't find the threads we discussed this on....not good at finding them. But this was one of the only clues the writers would give us about who Jacob was. He was in the first episode, but he didn't have a speaking part. Maybe someone else that remembers more can help with finding the Q & A session with the writers regarding this.

[notsolost42]

This was discussed back in season 3? I think, when Hurley saw the eye looking back at him from the cabin. I can't find the threads we discussed this on....not good at finding them. But this was one of the only clues the writers would give us about who Jacob was. He was in the first episode, but he didn't have a speaking part. Maybe someone else that remembers more can help with finding the Q & A session with the writers regarding this.

I really wonder about that. TBTP also said that they hadn't hired the actor to play Jacob after we saw the episode where his eye was visible at the cabin.

[imascootinspook]

I really wonder about that. TBTP also said that they hadn't hired the actor to play Jacob after we saw the episode where his eye was visible at the cabin.

That is true ! Which makes me wonder if Jacob is actually a human form. Not necessarily meaning its Vincent either, but "something" not human. Do you recall the mention of "seeing Jacob in 1st epi?" I wish I could re-find the writers talking about this.

[notsolost42]

That is true ! Which makes me wonder if Jacob is actually a human form. Not necessarily meaning its Vincent either, but "something" not human. Do you recall the mention of "seeing Jacob in 1st epi?" I wish I could re-find the writers talking about this.

I do. I'm not sure if it was TPTB directly or through other fans telling me.

[littleredman]

I remember Michael Emerson saying that the person who played Jacob had already worked on Lost before but it was actually a member of the crew, not an actor who'd previously appeared on screen, who he was referring to.

[imascootinspook]

I remember Michael Emerson saying that the person who played Jacob had already worked on Lost before but it was actually a member of the crew, not an actor who'd previously appeared on screen, who he was referring to.

He was referring to the person sitting in the chair in the cabin. That was an xtra.

[notsolost42]

I remember Michael Emerson saying that the person who played Jacob had already worked on Lost before but it was actually a member of the crew, not an actor who'd previously appeared on screen, who he was referring to.

That was only about the scene in the cabin and Jacob's eye. It was a crew members eye because they hadn't hired the actor to play him yet. I definitely remember that.

[littleredman]

So this may mean that there's no point in looking for a human character in the pilot episode. Although... with Lost... who knows?

However, I do believe that Jacob is Jacob and he's not anyone else. I'd like to see the clip where they refer to the pilot, but I don't think that any other character we see on screen will be Jacob.

[imascootinspook]

So this may mean that there's no point in looking for a human character in the pilot episode. Although... with Lost... who knows?

However, I do believe that Jacob is Jacob and he's not anyone else. I'd like to see the clip where they refer to the pilot, but I don't think that any other character we see on screen will be Jacob.

I am thinking "jacob" is suppose to MEAN something, not be something or someone

[littleredman]

I am thinking "jacob" is suppose to MEAN something, not be something or someone

I'm thinking the same way.

[notsolost42]

I'm thinking the same way.

But they did show Jacob in physical form in his cabin in the rocking chair very briefly.

[imascootinspook]

But they did show Jacob in physical form in his cabin in the rocking chair very briefly.

But if u think about it, they made "jacob" human form in order for the losties and us to "believe" in jacob. We have to have proof ( they used visual on us), so the island made jacob look human for us.

[littleredman]

Well it seems as though other things on the island work in different ways too. Sometimes the black smoke is massive and violent, sometimes it's a wisp of smoke, and then we've seen it flashing light into peoples faces before disappearing. We've also seen it take people over or influence them!

Perhaps Jacob is more than just a person?

[notsolost42]

But if u think about it, they made "jacob" human form in order for the losties and us to "believe" in jacob. We have to have proof ( they used visual on us), so the island made jacob look human for us.

You're right. Jacob is really the ships computer piloting the island! Just like Hal in 2001 a Soace Odessy. And speaking of which, HAL stood for IBM. If you raise each letter one character up in the alphabet that's what you got! Geeez, my age is showing!

[imascootinspook]

Well it seems as though other things on the island work in different ways too. Sometimes the black smoke is massive and violent, sometimes it's a wisp of smoke, and then we've seen it flashing light into peoples faces before disappearing. We've also seen it take people over or influence them!

Perhaps Jacob is more than just a person?

Right now....to me, Jacob could be each person's primal fear within. But somewhere in the first episode, we are suppose to see jacob. And it's driving me crazzzzy !

[littleredman]

You're right. Jacob is really the ships computer piloting the island! Just like Hal in 2001 a Soace Odessy. And speaking of which, HAL stood for IBM. If you raise each letter one character up in the alphabet that's what you got! Geeez, my age is showing!

If you take each of the letters of Jacob DOWN one space, you get "izbna".

So... the losties are on... Ibiza?!

[imascootinspook]

If you take each of the letters of Jacob DOWN one space, you get "izbna".

So... the losties are on... Ibiza?!

If this proves true....I will never get addicted to a show as I have this one again lol.

[abcd1234]

wasnt it in the first episode the smoke monster came to locke, and looked at him in the jungle, and later locke would say he looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful?

[LissaMarie]

This is exactly why I spent an afternoon researching. I was afraid the fact that TPTB said we saw Jacob in the first episode or a clue in the first episode was just some crazy rumor or an urban myth...maybe TPTB said something about the first episode but through the old "telephone" game, it has turned into us seeing Jacob in the first episode. This is why I wanted to hear TPTB say it or read the interview for myself. I'm not convinced this isn't just rumor but would love to have proof that it's not!! That would be very cool!

Also, as far as Jacob appearing in the flesh when Locke saw him in the cabin, we don't know who that was or who it was supposed to represent. It could have been Christian. It could have been Locke's vision. We never had confirmation that was supposed to be Jacob, even though that was a natural conclusion to jump to. The only thing I know for sure with this show is that you can't assume anything!! Jumping to conclusions will steer you way off track! Jacob is a big mystery and I am anxious to find out more!

[Jaystar™]

Can anyone actually find when they said we seen Jacob in Season 1 Episode 1?

[imascootinspook]

Can anyone actually find when they said we seen Jacob in Season 1 Episode 1?

If someone with good memory can tell me the month and year The Cabin scene with the eye was aired, I may be able to find the podcast. There is just only so much info my brain can retain about this show lol.

[Amp]

We saw the smoke monster in the pilot, he killed the pilot, smoke ring around jacobs cabin... oh yea screen shots on the way.

[Newbie]

We saw the smoke monster in the pilot, he killed the pilot, smoke ring around jacobs cabin... oh yea screen shots on the way.

Do we see the smoke monster around the plane?

[Jaystar™]

Do we see the smoke monster around the plane?

Well we see something come down and hit a part of the Plane to make it blow up, but the Producers have said it was a CGI Error.

[huntsy7]

wasnt it in the first episode the smoke monster came to locke, and looked at him in the jungle, and later locke would say he looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful?

no he first saw the smoke in walkabout and then said that line to jack in white rabbit

[uhdum]

If someone with good memory can tell me the month and year The Cabin scene with the eye was aired, I may be able to find the podcast. There is just only so much info my brain can retain about this show lol.

Lostpedia has transcripts of many of the podcasts...

[imascootinspook]

I know, I have been there all day lol. I just think that whether he is shown to us in the first epi or not, ...we are not going to know or figure out who Jacob is until the writers want us to....hence that very last episode.

[imascootinspook]

I want to apoligize for bringing up the notion of Jacob being in the first episode. It appears to have caused some "fluff". I was mearly trying to recall one of the many hundreds of subjects brought up within this forum. I think it got fueled more when someone else mentioned they remembered this podcast too. I should have included "that to the best of my memory I heard that....on podcast". I knew of the Ben interview and it was not the one I was trying to recall.

[Beckstabber]

I'm having trouble finding this bird flash scene you guys were talking about in the pilot... when did it happen?

[wiley]

I'm having trouble finding this bird flash scene you guys were talking about in the pilot... when did it happen?

Yeah, me too. Charlie says "Guys, where are we?" when then figure out the french woman's message has been running for 16 years.

[Sir William]

I think Jacob is someone who is being possessed by smokey. If os, it must be somebody who has come in direct contact with smokey and live. Mr. echo is one but, I don't think it is him. John too has come face to face with smokey and lived to talk about it. Again, I don't believe it is John.

[lost-a-lot]

This is exactly why I spent an afternoon researching. I was afraid the fact that TPTB said we saw Jacob in the first episode or a clue in the first episode was just some crazy rumor or an urban myth...maybe TPTB said something about the first episode but through the old "telephone" game, it has turned into us seeing Jacob in the first episode. This is why I wanted to hear TPTB say it or read the interview for myself. I'm not convinced this isn't just rumor but would love to have proof that it's not!! That would be very cool!

LissaMarie, I don’t know about the Jacob bit, but I tried finding a source saying that a big clue was missed, too. I gave up after finding a mention of a podcast in which DL references Charlie’s question. (What CC later alluded to in the ODI interview.)

In the 4/16/07 LOST podcast (http://ll.media.abc.com/podcast/audio/itunes/Lostpodcast_20070416.mp3) (starting from 20:50) CC says that the notion of a missed vital clue in the pilot "must be a false rumor." DL goes on to specifically exclude "guys, where are we?" from a list of pilot mysteries that had, by that time, been answered. I guess Cuse just didn’t properly clarify the point later on for the audience of the ODI interview. *shrugs*

[LissaMarie]

Sweet, Lost a Lot! I gave up after I read that interview but I'm glad you found a definitive answer. Bless you!!

[lost-a-lot]

:) Glad to help when I can.

Personally, I still wonder if every pilot mystery really has been addressed. Being new to LOST fandom, I don’t know whether TPTB have addressed, for instance, the black cylinder on the jungle floor next to Jack and the fact that Vincent runs directly over it. Does anyone know offhand if they’ve tackled that one?

[Unbridled Pageantry]

for instance, the black cylinder on the jungle floor next to Jack and the fact that Vincent runs directly over it. Does anyone know offhand if they’ve tackled that one?


It's only black bamboo. In the rest of the scene you see lots of it lying around. If it was of any real signifigance i'm sure they would have something lying with Jack when they re-created him landing on the island last episode.

[LissaMarie]

:) Glad to help when I can.

Personally, I still wonder if every pilot mystery really has been addressed. Being new to LOST fandom, I don’t know whether TPTB have addressed, for instance, the black cylinder on the jungle floor next to Jack and the fact that Vincent runs directly over it. Does anyone know offhand if they’ve tackled that one?

Just had to tell you that you're way ahead of the game, being that you're a late arrival! I've watched since the beginning and I just learned about the black cylindrical thing a few weeks ago!! Wasn't I bragging about how sharp I am a few posts ago? I take it back!!:o

[lost-a-lot]

Thanks! That’s kind of you to say. But I miss all sorts of things you guys discover. That’s largely why I enjoy reading the board.

Black bamboo… See, there’s a likely explanation I didn’t even consider! It calls for another look on the morrow, that does. :) Thanks, Unbridled.

[LissaMarie]

It calls for another look on the morrow, that does. :) Thanks, Unbridled.

Hmmmmm.....how very "Yoda" of you!:p