The Maxwell Group, Ben, the Boat and Matcowski(yeah i spelled hist name wrong)

[BrockLanders]

I have been thinking and have not seen this being posted anywhere so i thought here goes. If anyone played the ARG Find 815 they know the Maxwell Group was leading the mission. Also it was stated that the Maxwell Group was the group responsible for the Christian 1 finding 815 in E1S4 therefore the ARG content can come into play in the series. It is obvious that Ben wants the stay on the island and does not want others to find it. Therefore we can assume that the Maxwell Group wants to find the island. And the jump is to think that Naomi's Boat is a 2nd mission by the Maxwell Group to find the island. Now please keep all that in mind.

My thoughts hinge on the common theory that the flash forwards take place in between S4 and S5 meaning there is more to come after the flash forwards take place. Thus what if Syaid is working for Ben taking out members of the Maxwell Group who are trying to find the island, because Syaid realizes that Ben is right and they all need to stay on the island and keep it safe. This goes along with Ben asking Syaid if he wants to keep his friends safe i.e. the rest of the losties that never left the island safe from the Maxwell Group finding them and exposing the island.

What you all think?!

[BrockLanders]

Also this explains why the golfcart man was scared when Syaid introduced himslef as one of the 6. This is cause the golfcart man is working for the Maxwell Group and Syaid is there to kill him for Ben to protect the island. The golfcart man knows that the 6 should have never come back and to meet one could be terrifiing. Also Syaid knew his name which would also be terrifing if you have never met someone, and they turn out to be someone whom your company is trying to find and potenialy exploit some happing in their lives, and they are waiting for you.

[jacksnurse]

well said brock....definitely agree...i think the six all know the secrets and powers of the island well once they are off and will do anything to protect it....jack will do anything to go back also...could that be partly cuz juliette is still there also

[Dzbabykel]

Not sure if this is important or not but I was reading up on electromagnetism and of course the physicist Michael Farraday comes up but I found it interesting that along with him, the name James Clerk Maxwell comes up as well. When I read that the first thing I thought of was the Maxwell Group. Basically what it says is that this Maxwell guy extended Farraday's research in understanding the nature of light. It says, what is thought of as "light" is actually a propogating oscillatory disturbance in the electromagnetic field (or electromagnetic wave).

I then looked up oscillatory which says it is the repetitive variation, typically in time, of some measure about a central value (equilibrium) or between two or more different states.

Anyway just found it interesting how when seeing the name Farraday and Maxwell I was able to connext electromagnetism, light and time all in one. Haha I'm sure this doesn't surprise many of you as we've discussed all this before but just thought I'd share...thoughts welcome :)

[Dzbabykel]

To add to what I said above...I also found that in physics, the Lorentz transformation converts between two different observers' measurements of space and time, where one observer is in constant motion with respect to the other (yah not sure what that exactly means but bear with me...) but with this, according to special relativity, this is only a good approximation at much smaller speeds than the speed of light, and in general not only offsets the coordinates but distorts lengths and time as well.

With this, I found it interesting that it says "it must preserve the spacetime interval between any wo events in Minkowski space"....

I looked up Minkowski space (which we obviously have heard with George Minkowski) and in physics it is the mathematical setting in which Einstein's theory of special relativity is formulated. In this setting the three ordinary dimensions of space are combined with a single dimension of time.

Anyway....so confusing to me so take it with what you will, haha I just found it interesting all the names and connections :)

[Robo42]

Great stuff.!! Are you going into Patent Law Dz? you just blew my mind!!!!You go girl! You are such a closet nerd. LOL

[Dzbabykel]

Hahah you are soo right....that and wikipedia helps ;)

[mahalo_dude]

Just wanted to respond to the idea that the flash forwards could be taking place between s4 and s5. Could very well be. I'm guessing that most of the flash forwards we will be seeing will not be too far into the future. Jack's downward spiral certainly could take a while given his drive, internal fortitude, focus, etc, but that could happen over a few months given what he's already been through.

The first flash forward we saw with Jack and Kate at first seemed to imply to me that it was years into the future. But with Hurley's and now Sayid's to consider, anything is possible.

[youalleverybody]

The first flash forward we saw with Jack and Kate at first seemed to imply to me that it was years into the future. But with Hurley's and now Sayid's to consider, anything is possible.

Yes, I guess the forst flashfwd. we saw actually ahppend AFTEr teh second one with Hurley since Jack told Hurly that he was PLANNING on growing a beard and that JAck wasn''t in as rough a shape as we see in the Flashfwd. with Kate? right?...

[Rain13]

Some very cool and logical ideas in this thread! I think all we can say for sure is that Sayid and possibly the other members of the Oceanic 6 have something happen to them that makes them value the power of the island and/or Ben's purpose there enough to kill for it. Either Sayid is being threatened and blackmailed by Ben, or he has come to support Ben and what he is doing. The former is certainly possible because Sayid does show resentment towards Ben in the flashforward and he does seem to be motivated by the desire to save his friends, but at the same time they also leave open the possibility that Sayid has simply come to support Ben (who, as we know, is known to manipulate people in order to accomplish what he believes is right). I tend to think this is the case. I think that Sayid has realized that what Ben is doing is important, and now he is working for him in order to help him. Just because Ben is a mean bastard sometimes doesn't mean he's manipulating and exploiting Sayid in order to do evil. Plenty of people in history who we now view as having done great things were considered to be manipulating and twisted people by those who were around them. In fact, it sometimes takes this kind of personality in order to get things done.

Since the Others were first introduced I always thought that it was interesting how the writers make their good vs. evil status very ambiguous as the poster above said. Think about this: if it is revealed that Ben has, for example, found something on the island that will save humanity from sure doom, we would easily be able to look back at everything Ben has ever done, no matter how twisted and nefarious it seemed at the time, and view it as justified in this new light. He's never done anything that is downright evil, but instead he only does things that seem twisted but could still be justified if his purpose was revealed to be good. I just think it would be strange for the writers to work so hard at making Ben so difficult to nail down as evil and then to just reveal that he is indeed just some maniac or evil person. I have more faith in the show than that. Now, I think the real question is, what is it that Ben has found or is doing on the island that he cares so much about?

[jacksnurse]

i agree rain...i think that Ben is actually doing what he needs to do to save the island and what it stands for in the bigger picture.....i have never thought him to be evil......i think that he is obviously the key to this show...him and Jacob...there are too many ben haters out there...lol...a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do

[mahalo_dude]

S4 will undoubtedly paint more of a picture, but since we have much more storyline to view over 3 seasons, I don't foresee too many answers coming our way real soon.

Ben has been on the island since he was a kid, and Dharma was there before. The Others were, too. And then there's the Black Rock...Plus with find815.com and maybe even the novels adding to the mythos, there's a lot to wade through.

Out of all the characters we have seen thus far, Ben is definitely the most aware/in tune with the island's secrets. Widmore et al probably have all the info Ben has, but not the spiritual/mental/metaphysical connection.

[lostfan]

I think S5 may be part way of Jack and other 5 trying to get back to the island. But what's wierd is if Sayid is with Ben does that mean Sayid can travel to and from the island along with Ben?

[BrockLanders]

I believe that S4 will end with the 6 going back to the island. I also think that maybe Sayid is helping Ben for all the reasons i stated before but also possibly to get back to the island as well, i.e. Ben can go back and forth and just hasnt let Sayid go back yet untill he kills all of the Maxwell Group. But i believe for sure that the 6 will try to get back before S5 simply based on the Mathew Fox interview in which he states Jack is going back. We all know the secrecy with the show and how the actors must keep it the fact that he can relievel that tells me that it is going to be this season and possibly before the end even.

[bunnydixon]

i havent read all this yet as i am pushed for time but i just wanted to say - brocklanders i am loving your name :D