Has Locke been on the island before?

[saffy]

Hi .. first of all, let me introduce myself . I'm Saffy and I live in the Uk ... am a huge fan of Lost and have only just joined this forum .. so HULLO ! :D

Please bear with me if this has been posted before .. I did do a search, but didn't come up with anything.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when Lost starts again on TV, my OH and I have to go back to the very beginning and re watch, so that we can get our "fix" whilst waiting for the next episode to air in the USA so we can download it.

On going back to the first series .. it definitely seems as though Locke has been on the island before ... He says, "It's going to rain in .. approximately 1 minute" and it does ... and just little things, like the way he acts at ease on the island.

Does anyone else think this?

[rekhyt]

In hindsight it might reek suspiciously of time travel but I'm quite sure it's just his special ability to interpret nature and wildlife. He practised hard for his walkabout and getting trapped on an island and having to hunt, interpreting little signs for weather, tracks etc just made him feel happy because he could live it all out, feeling useful and in his element.

[TuesdaySmith]

I think it's just his spiritual connection to the island, not that he'd been there before. He's the "hunter" on the inside, but on the outside he's all obsessed with his past and in a wheel chair.. all of a sudden he gets to this crazy place where his legs are fixed and he can walk again and let his past go.. I think he's just feeling the island.

[berelain3]

Well,I happen to think the same thing! There are more things that Locke says which makes you think twice now that we know a lot more:

In episode 5 ''White Rabbit'' Jack goes running through the jungle like madman,he trips and almost tumbles down a cliff,but manages to grab a hold. Locke is there to save him.
Before this scene,we see Kate,Syid and Locke talking about finding Jack. Locke says he'll do it and says: ''Besides,I know where to look''. How would he know where Jack is at that moment??

There is also a weird scene with Charlie and Locke,wen they discover Adam and Eve.
Charlie says: So,there were other people here before us? He looks at Locke and says: ''Well,I mean it could be that there were people here before us?''.
This doesn't mean a whole lot but Charlie looks a little ''caught'' while saying this. Like him and Locke know more.

[HurleyBurley]

Hi everyone. I just joined and this is my first post. My wife and I have also been going back through season 1 and I have to say Locke is the most mysterious character in the first season. He just seems to know so much about the island. And am I the only one who thinks this secret he tells Walt in the first or second episode is something that is still to come out probably in the last season?

[lilsev42]

He told walt a good secret,that he used to be in a wheelchair,before the crash

[LissaMarie]

Hurley & Saffy....welcome to the forum!:)

I also find Locke very mysterious. I initially thought he just had a deep spiritual connection to the island but since the time travel, I'm starting to wonder! He is an enigma, that's for sure!

[3d-aholic]

Before this scene,we see Kate,Syid and Locke talking about finding Jack. Locke says he'll do it and says: ''Besides,I know where to look''. How would he know where Jack is at that moment??

I agree with you point, but disagree with your example that you site.

When he says, "Besides, I know where to look"...he is talking about "water". He knows where to go look for "water" on the island....and thats why he is better qualified to go out on the island than the other castaways.

It turns out his search for water is coincidental to where Jacks father is leading him to....water. So thats how they end up being in close proximity in the jungle.

[t33h33]

No i think locke does have a deep connection with the island, just in season 1 I don't think he understand it much and it's a mystery to him and thus a mystery to us? well i like to think that about locke...

[singular]

Locke's smug demeanour in Season 1 mirrors that of the last part of Season 5.

And his ability to do uncanny things and show up at improbable times also mirrors that of the last part of Season 5.

Not to mention his downright creepy facial expressions.


And what happened exactly the first time he saw the monster? Why did he lie to Boone that he hadn't seen it? We still know nothing substantial about that encounter, and neither do any of the Losties.

[t33h33]

Locke's smug demeanour in Season 1 mirrors that of the last part of Season 5.

And his ability to do uncanny things and show up at improbable times also mirrors that of the last part of Season 5.

Not to mention his downright creepy facial expressions.


And what happened exactly the first time he saw the monster? Why did he lie to Boone that he hadn't seen it? We still know nothing substantial about that encounter, and neither do any of the Losties.


I thought when locke saw smokie he saw a bright white light. It's possible locke coulda time traveled but i mean where has he had the time to do this?? I think his smug attitude is basically the fact he was in a wheelchair, broken back etc and after what coulda been a life danergous accident maybe causing lockes original condition it never it saved him. So I think he's just in love with life for the first time in his life for a season

[3d-aholic]

What about when Walt says to Locke..."Don't open it" referring to the hatch that Locke hasn't told anyone but Boon about. And then it tells his dad now they have to leave apparently with reference to the fact that the hatch is going to be opened.

He seems to go some kind of connection with the island as well...or maybe its Locke.

[Kate's Future Ex-Husband]

yeah, Locke completely changed after he met the smoke monster early on.... I wouldn't be suprised if he hasn't been the real locke since....

[t33h33]

What about when Walt says to Locke..."Don't open it" referring to the hatch that Locke hasn't told anyone but Boon about. And then it tells his dad now they have to leave apparently with reference to the fact that the hatch is going to be opened.

He seems to go some kind of connection with the island as well...or maybe its Locke.

Well, I think once they open the hatch theyve opened their can of worms and it all starts to build from there. If they just ran about the jungle never discovering these things walt probs woulda stayed. I bet he can remember being there before, what about all them birds always flying in windows when he's about?? srsly whats that all about? I suppoes something that will maybe get explained in season 6 but any of you guys have theories on that??

and yeah good point, possibly when locke did encounter smokie there was a transition of souls, which would be interesting because then that would mean Locke is actually smokie since that time! interesting.

[Entervoice]

Hi .. first of all, let me introduce myself . I'm Saffy and I live in the Uk ... am a huge fan of Lost and have only just joined this forum .. so HULLO ! :D

Please bear with me if this has been posted before .. I did do a search, but didn't come up with anything.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but when Lost starts again on TV, my OH and I have to go back to the very beginning and re watch, so that we can get our "fix" whilst waiting for the next episode to air in the USA so we can download it.

On going back to the first series .. it definitely seems as though Locke has been on the island before ... He says, "It's going to rain in .. approximately 1 minute" and it does ... and just little things, like the way he acts at ease on the island.

Does anyone else think this?hello how are you?

That would be a nice twist in the story, that John was on the island before, very good :-)

[Kate's Future Ex-Husband]

yeah I think we were first led to believe he was just "in tune" with the island. But knowing where things are and when things are going to happen may be time travel or I don't think the producers ave ruled out De Ja Vu. Maybe some people's past memories become clear enough they can change things or at least anticipate them.

[lilsev42]

Yea,John has told different stories of what happened the first encounter of smokie,it'd be crazy if that the real John was possessed back then and did everything in human form to get Anti-jacob the loophole,You guys have seen the demeanor change back and forth in him,he gave up so quick in trying to get them to go back.Also,about walt there's a thread in season 5 "I think Walt's situation is wierd any help or comments .Happy hunting the real john Locke

[t33h33]

yeah I think we were first led to believe he was just "in tune" with the island. But knowing where things are and when things are going to happen may be time travel or I don't think the producers ave ruled out De Ja Vu. Maybe some people's past memories become clear enough they can change things or at least anticipate them.

You know how we were talking about john being a pawn and that possibly being his destiny? well he's always been looking to someone else on what to do right. lets say that he is john locke when he first comes on the island, then he is simply for once not taking orders or being maniupluated by anyone when he first gets on the island. For once he is healed and he knows what is happening. I think that why he ends up thinking he was destined for greater things the island seemed to be his paradise. But i really don't think he was on the island before and if he was I don't think it was anti jacob. Locke speaks alot about choices.

[losttime]

I think it wasnt until JL came back on 316 was he no longer JL. Prior to that I think the beach boy was searching out who will be his loop hole and may know that JL was going to be it from that point and was coming up wth a plan to manipulat everything we saw since season 1. It wasnt until they returned back on 316 did Richard notice something different about JL. It wasnt that a resurrected JL had a purpose but the beach boy was now pretending to be JL and Richard was almost sensing something different about the JL he knew. At least thats what i am getting from it.

[t33h33]

I think it wasnt until JL came back on 316 was he no longer JL. Prior to that I think the beach boy was searching out who will be his loop hole and may know that JL was going to be it from that point and was coming up wth a plan to manipulat everything we saw since season 1. It wasnt until they returned back on 316 did Richard notice something different about JL. It wasnt that a resurrected JL had a purpose but the beach boy was now pretending to be JL and Richard was almost sensing something different about the JL he knew. At least thats what i am getting from it.

Yeah I think Richard knows or at least senses but i think he knows what is going down. Do you think 'beach boy' becomes JL once the plane lands or is he waiting up at the window spot when the plane comes into the island lil own bubble? like just sitting waiting for dead bodies in a plane? or does he just happen to notice them once the plane has crashed etc

[spartygirl]

Well,I happen to think the same thing! There are more things that Locke says which makes you think twice now that we know a lot more:

In episode 5 ''White Rabbit'' Jack goes running through the jungle like madman,he trips and almost tumbles down a cliff,but manages to grab a hold. Locke is there to save him.
Before this scene,we see Kate,Syid and Locke talking about finding Jack. Locke says he'll do it and says: ''Besides,I know where to look''. How would he know where Jack is at that moment??

There is also a weird scene with Charlie and Locke,wen they discover Adam and Eve.
Charlie says: So,there were other people here before us? He looks at Locke and says: ''Well,I mean it could be that there were people here before us?''.
This doesn't mean a whole lot but Charlie looks a little ''caught'' while saying this. Like him and Locke know more.



Hi all...OK..here are some of my thoughts on this...as I re-watch season 1...How does Locke know where Jack fell from Cliff?? and the water, and knowing when its going to rain?? Yes..at first I thought it was due to no wheelchair, kinda of a freeing of spirit and being in touch with the island and nature....but......then comes this scene which I thought was eye-opening...maybe it means something maybe not...but Locke is sitting on beach and Jack walks up and says....

Jack Any ships?
Locke Not yet, but I'm patient.
Jack Mind if I join you? It's been awhile since you and I talked, John.
Locke Well you're a busy man.
Jack So are you. Where's Boone?
Locke I haven't seen him today.
Jack Yeah? You 2 have been attached at the hip all week.
Locke Well let me just check my hip... nope, no Boone.
Jack How's the boar hunting going?
Locke Between you and me?
Jack Always. Locke I'm afraid they're beginning to migrate outside our valley. They're smart animals and smart animals adapt quickly when a new predator is introduced into their environment.
Jack You mean us?
Locke The most dangerous predator of all.


This reminded me soooo much of the scene with Mib and Jacob....the "mind if I join you" Its been awhile since you and I talk....

maybe its just my imagination running but it was a very familiar scene in retrospect to what we saw in season 5....

[notsolost42]

Hi all...OK..here are some of my thoughts on this...as I re-watch season 1...How does Locke know where Jack fell from Cliff?? and the water, and knowing when its going to rain?? Yes..at first I thought it was due to no wheelchair, kinda of a freeing of spirit and being in touch with the island and nature....but......then comes this scene which I thought was eye-opening...maybe it means something maybe not...but Locke is sitting on beach and Jack walks up and says....

Jack Any ships?
Locke Not yet, but I'm patient.
Jack Mind if I join you? It's been awhile since you and I talked, John.
Locke Well you're a busy man.
Jack So are you. Where's Boone?
Locke I haven't seen him today.
Jack Yeah? You 2 have been attached at the hip all week.
Locke Well let me just check my hip... nope, no Boone.
Jack How's the boar hunting going?
Locke Between you and me?
Jack Always. Locke I'm afraid they're beginning to migrate outside our valley. They're smart animals and smart animals adapt quickly when a new predator is introduced into their environment.
Jack You mean us?
Locke The most dangerous predator of all.


This reminded me soooo much of the scene with Mib and Jacob....the "mind if I join you" Its been awhile since you and I talk....

maybe its just my imagination running but it was a very familiar scene in retrospect to what we saw in season 5....

I love it Sparty!!!!!

[rawbdee]

Hi all...OK..here are some of my thoughts on this...as I re-watch season 1...How does Locke know where Jack fell from Cliff?? and the water, and knowing when its going to rain?? Yes..at first I thought it was due to no wheelchair, kinda of a freeing of spirit and being in touch with the island and nature....but......then comes this scene which I thought was eye-opening...maybe it means something maybe not...but Locke is sitting on beach and Jack walks up and says....

Jack Any ships?
Locke Not yet, but I'm patient.
Jack Mind if I join you? It's been awhile since you and I talked, John.
Locke Well you're a busy man.
Jack So are you. Where's Boone?
Locke I haven't seen him today.
Jack Yeah? You 2 have been attached at the hip all week.
Locke Well let me just check my hip... nope, no Boone.
Jack How's the boar hunting going?
Locke Between you and me?
Jack Always. Locke I'm afraid they're beginning to migrate outside our valley. They're smart animals and smart animals adapt quickly when a new predator is introduced into their environment.
Jack You mean us?
Locke The most dangerous predator of all.


This reminded me soooo much of the scene with Mib and Jacob....the "mind if I join you" Its been awhile since you and I talk....

maybe its just my imagination running but it was a very familiar scene in retrospect to what we saw in season 5....

Wow, this is great. This is why I joined this forum. Awesome job.

Like you losties, I also have my doubts about John and Jack's mysterious doings in the first season.

I think "the thing we missed" in the pilot was the fact that Jack woke up a few miles away from everyone else and I believe season 6 will open up with that exact same scene.

But I digress. Has John been on the island before? Personally I say no, however I have two theories to how he knows so much.

1) when his paralysis was healed by the island/jacob he adopted some knowledge but didnt quite understand it.

2) When he encountered smokie something transferred over to him or maybe smokie took hold. How about this, Smokie originally takes hold of john locke. then leaves john locke to take over christian in later seasons to put things in place then comes back to john for season 5?

Another thing, When John gets grabbed my smokie in a later season (cant remember when) He says he knows it wasn't going to do him harm. How he could he possibly know that? I think it's because he has been in that situation before.

What do you think?
Btw I'm Rob. I'm new here but not new to Lost. I'm rewatching it with my girlfriend to get caught up for season 6. So I'm discovering things again.

[Gettingafixonlost]

yeah I think we were first led to believe he was just "in tune" with the island. But knowing where things are and when things are going to happen may be time travel or I don't think the producers ave ruled out De Ja Vu. Maybe some people's past memories become clear enough they can change things or at least anticipate them.

Yes, like Charlotte suddenly remembering Faraday! But then again that could have been because they were in that time frame (with the flashes) when Faraday told Charlotte not to come back or she would die. IDK.....sooooo many questions, my brain is in overdrive when I get on here and read all these different posts, guess I should keep up more frequently rather than taking it in all at once, LOL:confused:
I think the evidence is out there either way, he was there before or he wasn't:eek: It works both ways:cool:

[Cee]

Yes, like Charlotte suddenly remembering Faraday! But then again that could have been because they were in that time frame (with the flashes) when Faraday told Charlotte not to come back or she would die. IDK.....sooooo many questions, my brain is in overdrive when I get on here and read all these different posts, guess I should keep up more frequently rather than taking it in all at once, LOL:confused:
I think the evidence is out there either way, he was there before or he wasn't:eek: It works both ways:cool:

I agree, this is my first time in a Lost forum ever and now wonder if i should have joined at the beginning.

I even woke this morning with ideas that Locke has always been MiB from season 1 right from his first toe wiggle, its been bugging me all day due to the fact i woke convinced of it but then as i've gone over the past seasons in my mind i'm at conflicts with myself.

Its been in my head that there was a significance why Johns father had his kidney and then caused his paralytic accident. The connection then to have him on the island for Ben to get him to kill him. But with Sawyer doing the job I then wonder if what was supposed to play out didn't entirely, John not being the killer he was supposed to be...

I'm thinking Flocke is going to be found unworthy because of that and that Sawyer was probably the person that should have took over the Mib role.

I'm wondering should Mib be Locke pre season1 and his "father" was sent to ensure that he was "broken" in order that he must return to the island after a prior escape...

These thoughts and more from a very troubled lost mind who wants to figure it out more but doesn't have enough time lol.