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[T]he[L]amppost
03-09-2009, 10:51 PM
Well I've been doing some research around the web, and looking at others theories and idea's, and I’ve come up with my own take on it. Though there are some thing's I still don't understand.


I'll start in the past. Eloise Hawking stated at the Lamppost station that there were many pockets of electromagnetic energy scattered around the world, similar to that of the island. Ex; L.A. , Tunisia, etc. Now Egypt is near-ish to Tunisia. These electromagnetic pockets could possibly be harnessed like a warm hole, or as done in L.A, used like a map, to the island.

If the Egyptians managed to harness that power and make it to the island and start a home, then that could there in explain the Wheel, the Ruins, the Temple, the Four-toed statue, etc.

Now jump a head a few hundred to a thousand years, the Egyptians have been moving on the island as a place of peace to live. As well as giving birth and making a home for themselves.
But they act almost as a pre-dharma initiative, experimenting with the properties of the island and what else it can do, and (like in the swan, when the button is not pushed the magnetism builds to a dangerous extent) the end up screwing up and the magnetic properties they've harnessed builds and acts as a bomb, obliterating most of themselves as well as they're peaceful utopia. Which would explain the almost whole of a 250ft statue missing, as well as the shape that the temple and the ruins are in.

Now by this time, the Egyptian empire on the outside world has fallen, and with it, the secrets of the magnetic pocket in Tunisia. (yes, it's been a while)
but some of the surviving members proceed to live and mate, but over time strides away from the Egyptian culture, and continues on with life on the island. A small group that seemingly stabilizes in population.

Now we get to the 1800's, the Island being the core of magnetic anomalies around the world, is in itself, surrounded by a bubble of magnetism. The a ship called the Black Rock is transporting rare and reactive mettles to other parts of the world, when it passes the island. Being a giant magnet is pulls the ship up and onto the island, tearing a hole in the bubble which shields it from view. That hole being coordinate 305, the only straight shot way to and from the island.

The surviving crew then meets up with our lost civilization and slowly grows and becomes our band of "others" which would explain their vast knowledge of the island and it's inhabitants.

Now jump ahead to the 1950's, military personal have discovered the island and think it to be remote, and decide to use it for nuclear testing. They send a small group to the island with a nuclear bomb "Jughead" with intentions of setting it off. The Others kill them off and bury the bomb underground in attempt to save the island.

Meanwhile a group of scientist’s called the DHARMA Initiative, has come across the L.A. pocket of magnetism, and theorize a much larger, or core if you will. They build a DHARMA station, "The Lamppost" that uses this unique property to find the Island. In hopes of using it's magnetic properties to advance science and inevitably alter The Valenzetti equation.

Sometime in the 60's DHARMA finds the island and starts setting up camp. They find the Nuclear bomb that is slowly leaking and set up the station The Tempest which inevitably is fixing the leak by converting it into basically a mild but deadly nuclear gas, which they then dispose of somehow, as well as multiple other stations.

The build the station the Orchid at the core of the electro magnetic power on the island, as well as multiple other stations. At first the DHARMA initiative were just doing simple experiments to hopefully prolong the Valenzetti theory. But once they realized the magnetism could be harnessed for time travel, they suspected they could alter the future and ultimately stop the Valenzetti Equation from ever happening.

So they developed the swan station originally used for human behavior testing, but then built an electro Magnetic Generator in its core and Synched it up with the newly built time machine in the orchid station, sense the time machine was built at the core of the entire magnetic energy in the island, some of that energy had to go somewhere. So it was sent to the generator in the swan station and when the button was pushed every 108 minutes it dispersed the built up energy as to not basically destroy the island.

At first the DHARMA initiative test on animals, namely Polar bears and rabbits. The send a polar bear from the orchid station wearing an orchid collar back in time, it’s a success. And sense the time machine is located right on top of wear the Egyptians got through to the island in Tunisia, that’s exactly where the polar bears end up, in a dessert in Tunisia. Where they cant survive, and are later found.

With the success of the time machine they decide to try human tests. But not on themselves, instead on natives of the island, who until as of now, have been left alone. The either convince them, or just kidnap them and send them through the time machine, and it works.

By now Richard has been born and through years of fighting due to DHARMA’s unaccepted testing, we reach 2007, where the island has practically been destroyed due to DHARMA testing. Richard is at the age we see him now, and as leader of the others, manages to infiltrate the Orchid and use the time machine to send himself back in time
To pre-DHARMA existence. Sometime during the 1900’s. (Note in this time-line the Oceanic crash never happened because it wasn’t necessary) In hopes of changing the future and preventing the islands destruction. He then tries to change things by getting someone special to the island to help him later on. This person then becomes Ben. Due to Richards vast knowledge he returns to the island and secures his place as leader of the others, and later recruits young Ben.

Years later Richard has informed Ben of the future that was and will be. They then plan and go forward with an extermination of the DHARMA initiative, “The Purge” in hopes that it will alter the future.

[T]he[L]amppost
03-09-2009, 10:52 PM
Now as said many times through the show “The future as a funny way of course correcting it self”

And something happens along the way to cause a new version of the future that already happened. Meaning the islands destruction.

So Ben and Richard (now 2004ish) go back in time to 1996, use the time machine and the swan station to put the island on a loop. To prevent the future from ever happening, as well as create a fountain of youth. As stated in the main time loop theory hear; www.timelooptheory.com/the_timeline.html

Now the island is on constant loop in 1996, while the outside world continues on to 2004, now the island needs the Losties to prevent a future that is soon coming, i.e. fate needs them. So now we have Desomond pushing the button in the hatch witch discharges the magnetism, keeps the time machine working, and altogether keeps the island in 1996.

Hence some comment’s like “remember when we use to celebrate birthdays” why celebrate when you don’t age?

So on Sept. 22 we have the incident with Desomnd temporarily not pushing the button which for a split second causes the island to be visible and pulls flight 815 on the island.

Desomond pushes the button and saves the world. And now we start at season 1.
The event’s of season 1 and 2 take place, up until they decide to stop pushing the button.
The magnetism builds and things seem bad, until Desmond turns the fail safe which disconnects the Orchid and the swan and now time is running again. Only from 1996.

(the hieroglyphs on the countdown clock reference to what I guessed at the beginning about the Egyptians. Damon Lindleof stated that the Dharma Initiative included the hieroglyphs as a homage to the historical occupants of the island)

Now the event’s of season 3 take place and former Islander Charles Widmore is trying to get back to the Island in hopes of using it to his advantage. In reality this will lead to the islands distruction as well. So the others and ben try to convence the Losties that these people are bad, and it will lead to nothing good. Of course they dont believe them and the events up untill the Oceanic six get rescucued takes place. Ben in a desperate attempt to save the island turns the very large wheel in the core of the island and dislodges it from time, sending it to random points in the time line.

But though ben has saved the island he has also harmed it. The only way to stop it is to stop the random time jumps is to turn the wheel again. Which locke then does.

Now the future has a funny way of course corecting it self and it seems to show. No matter who try’s to save the island, it always sems to fail. I believe there is something special about locke, where in, he is the only one with the ability to save the island and prevent it from ultimatly being destroyed. Which is what makes him so Key.

Now how this time loop theory suports other mysteries on the island.

The Random Sprits?
Like Christian? And Horace? Among others,
The Island exsits in a timeline before the original and also one that is behind world time, by about four years.
Christian died in 2004 and then crashed on an island in a time period of 1996. A time that he WAS alive in. So he was brought back to life, as a sort half dead spirt. This has also happened with many other characters.

The Whispers?
The DHARMA intiative lived up untill 2007 in a previous timeline, but were killed off in the purge in a diferent timeline. So they now manifest as whispers attempting to warn the Losties.

The Healing Properties?
Just like being brought back to life part of the theory. If you were paralyzed in 2004, and put on the island which exists in 1996, a time in which you weren’t paralyzed, you’ll be temperarily cured untill time catches up.

The fact Richard never ages?
The theory suggest that when you go back in time you will look the same and have the same memories, you just wont age untill you catch up with the time you went back in time. Which means richard went back in time in 2007, and has yet to reach that time again on the island, so he’s never aged. It also goes for ben

Why Ben and Richard never die?
Ben and richard both lived past untill at least 2004 before going back in time and since the island is always on loop or in 1996, they can’t die untill they catch up to when the left, which is how ben can be beaten to a pulp but never die.
Why people can’t have birth?
Well the original version of the the theory suggest’s that you cant have a baby if in the past if in a future timeline you hadn’t had one. It would make sense, but after making the theory in my veiw, and reading many people’s thoughts of it having to do with the purge, I came up with this.

Juliet’s sister couldn’t have a baby because of Kemo trements basically frying her womb with radiation. But Juliet managed to impregnate her. Why would the other’s hire her? Why not any other fertilaty doctor? I think it does have something to do with the purge. If my guess about the Burried Nuclear bomb later being turned into the Tempest, a station which was in trouble of releasing a nuclear gas, and that gas was used by Ben to kil off the DHARMA intiative, then possible they radiation from the nuclear gas is making it impossible to give birth, and Juliet was hired because she managed to get a woman with practically the same problem pregnant?

It would explain why amy was able to give birth, because it was before the purge.


Well my theory is based on the original time loop theory,
But a changed things.

What do you all think of it?

Note; feel free to bring up things I may have missed, I’ll try to fit it in.

notsolost42
03-09-2009, 10:57 PM
If you could condense all that into a few questions I'd be happy to try and answer them for you.

[T]he[L]amppost
03-09-2009, 11:01 PM
If you could condense all that into a few questions I'd be happy to try and answer them for you.

haha, it's not a question, it's a theory I came up with based of the original time loop theory. I know it's a bit long. :P

notsolost42
03-09-2009, 11:12 PM
he[L]amppost;165951']haha, it's not a question, it's a theory I came up with based of the original time loop theory. I know it's a bit long. :P

Oh, okay. My mistake. I thought you started your posting with you had a few questions.
I will take the time and read your entire posting then as many people have been patient and taken the time to do so with all of mine!

losttime
03-09-2009, 11:17 PM
To briefly comment on one thing uyou brought up saying Alpert is not aging just in a time loop so he is always going back to his younger days. Alpert doesnt age. He is shown through different times including as early 1950s thru Bens childhood and as Ben as an adult. Ben is at least 40 yrs old on the Island so that would have to place Alpert at least 30 yrs older than when he first encounters Ben. He looked the same in 1950s as he does all those yrs after first meeting ben so i dont agree with you on Alpert is in a time loop and therefore is not aging. Alpert told Locke that he would be moving on when he fixes his leg at the hatch after being shot. Only to confirm tha tthe Losties are traveling forward or back in time not people like Alpert who is moving along in the stream of time.

[T]he[L]amppost
03-10-2009, 12:03 AM
Richards not on a loop, the island was. Richard exsited in the original timeline up to about 2007, and traveled back! in time to the 1900's, and is now reliving his life. But the theory say's you can't age in the past. Meaning Richard wont start aging untill he reaches 2007 again. Which explains why he's always the same age no matter what time we see him in, not that he's looping.

Greg Dharma
03-10-2009, 12:14 AM
interesting theory. richard seems to be able to go forward or backward in time; he is his own "constant"

the egyptian stuff? well, an almost too-easy fix for continuity/probability issues, but one which makes more and more sense, since they are an ancient and mysterious culture for whom an understanding of electromagneticism and possibly even time travel isnt necessarily out of the question, especially if you believe in UFO/Atlantis theories .

dharma co-opting kemetic science for its own ends while believing they are doing the right thing isnt implausible either, since that's already happened several times in history. and you cant travel too far up the time-travel tree without running into symbols for eternal life, can you?

but if the translation of the danger hieroglyphs when the button wasnt pushed was "underworld" as its been translaled as, what does that mean? the egyptian conception of the underworld is in some ways comparable to hell--the boat of RA has to travel through it on a daily basis so the sun can rise--but also a transitionary space, sort of a spirit realm or eternal void where time would have no literal meaning. if the egyptian deities could travel freely through the underworld, wouldnt someone hip to that metaphysical trip, like Richard Alpert, also have that ability?

hmmm.

anyway i like your theory; i guess we'll see if what happened, happened. or not.

[T]he[L]amppost
03-10-2009, 12:56 AM
In similar translations of the hieroglyphs have been translated to "die" or "to die" or "the death" and if the button isnt pushed the magnetism would build up and explode which is what i theorized happened to the egyptians. So maybe dharma put that there to refrence what happened to the egyptians would happen if the button isnt pushed?

Greg Dharma
03-10-2009, 01:36 AM
"So maybe dharma put that there to refrence what happened to the egyptians would happen if the button isnt pushed?"

maybe. the whole point of using symbols and hieroglyphs, though, is that there is not just one static meaning. for instance, Richard Alpert started as an obvious reference to the '60s LSD guru. more recent speculation compares Mr. Guyliner to RA the Egyptian sun god, who was literally the giver of eternal life (the sun's rays are often depicted as holding ankhs). there's no reason why both analogies couldnt be applied.

if you die, you go to the underworld, where RA takes you on a boat past 12 levels (kind of like "Pitfall") filled with fire, big snakes, and other assorted monsters. when you come out the other side, RA continues on, having successfully passed through night and becomes the daytime sun again. meanwhile the souls which have enough power in their Ka's, or eternal selves, get to go to egyptian heaven, where they can shoot the breeze with other discorporate spirits and even the Gods themselves.

point being that in the egyptian conception, death and rebirth are inherently linked, and that seems to be the case on the Island as well.

[T]he[L]amppost
03-10-2009, 03:44 AM
Intresting information. I'll have to update this theory as new info arises.

So could the smoke monster possibly relate to this "underworld"? Seeing as how it resides underground in tunnles, and drags it's victums there. As well as the fact that it relates to the Egyptians, considering the room used to summon it was covered in heiroglyphs?

notsolost42
03-10-2009, 03:54 AM
"So maybe dharma put that there to refrence what happened to the egyptians would happen if the button isnt pushed?"

maybe. the whole point of using symbols and hieroglyphs, though, is that there is not just one static meaning. for instance, Richard Alpert started as an obvious reference to the '60s LSD guru. more recent speculation compares Mr. Guyliner to RA the Egyptian sun god, who was literally the giver of eternal life (the sun's rays are often depicted as holding ankhs). there's no reason why both analogies couldnt be applied.

if you die, you go to the underworld, where RA takes you on a boat past 12 levels (kind of like "Pitfall") filled with fire, big snakes, and other assorted monsters. when you come out the other side, RA continues on, having successfully passed through night and becomes the daytime sun again. meanwhile the souls which have enough power in their Ka's, or eternal selves, get to go to egyptian heaven, where they can shoot the breeze with other discorporate spirits and even the Gods themselves.

point being that in the egyptian conception, death and rebirth are inherently linked, and that seems to be the case on the Island as well.

The egyptians considered death as the beginning of life.

MagicoA
03-11-2009, 03:39 AM
well that theory was amazin u shuld have not told us but went to dammon lindoff and JJ abrams and told them to that cuz its brilliant and actually from at least a sci-fi standpoint i have no further comment it all seems to explain itself bravo!

[T]he[L]amppost
03-12-2009, 03:12 AM
well that theory was amazin u shuld have not told us but went to dammon lindoff and JJ abrams and told them to that cuz its brilliant and actually from at least a sci-fi standpoint i have no further comment it all seems to explain itself bravo!

haha, thanks. Though I wouldnt be shocked at all if none of this happened. But it was fun to think of! :p

beachblinkette
03-12-2009, 02:25 PM
he[L]amppost;168365']haha, thanks. Though I wouldnt be shocked at all if none of this happened. But it was fun to think of! :p
Great theory! I have seen so many great theories and I always say AH HAH!
Eureka! and so on! Yours merits 2 Ah Hahs and 3 Eureka's!! The island is as Charlotte warned: "This place is death!" Hurley says "We're all dead!" these statements are linked to some reality that we are all trying to get a hold of.
Interesting ideas & very good work there, Lamppost. Your name suits you!!:D

MagicoA
03-13-2009, 12:58 AM
i just realized somthing im mean with all the talk on this show of destiny i dont believe this a coincidence cuz ben was obviously born b4 the purge (major DUH!) but his mom died during child birth and what year was that if its not purley coincidental then it had to be after amy had ethan(or who i believe to be ethan)so that means that somthing else. that will hopefully see on the show soon,caused the non-births who knows for sure.......yet!