A Little True or False (all opinions welcome)

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Please feel free to elaborate as much as you like or not at all:

The following are a list of ideas that you either believe to be true or false (or possibly have a lean one way or the other):

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
3. Mrs. Hawking is dead
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore
7. Richard is from an ancient past
8. Walt will return to the island
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock

[A.J. Hawk Fan]

Please feel free to elaborate as much as you like or not at all:

The following are a list of ideas that you either believe to be true or false (or possibly have a lean one way or the other):

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"----true
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"----true
3. Mrs. Hawking is dead---false, why would she be?
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead---false, shes dead in current time but not in the past or w/e as a child.
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben---true
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore----true
7. Richard is from an ancient past----true
8. Walt will return to the island----hes already on the island, IMO.
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue---true
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock----falsei answered with ---- than the answer.

[ortrules]

Answers in yellow.

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" - False. He has shown too much evil in him to be good - i.e. shooting Locke and leaving him for dead after their meeting with Jacob. If Jacob wants Locke's help and Ben refuses to accept that, then Ben no longer has the island's best interest in mind.
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" - True. So far, Widmore hasn't shown much in the way of being evil other than conjecture from Ben and Tom.
3. Mrs. Hawking is dead - False. Nothing has indicated this so far.
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead - False. She is dead. If Dan understands quantum physics, I would hope he knows how to check a pulse.
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben - True. It wouldn't make much sense if they didn't.
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore - True. I think we will see how Ben screws over Widmore for control of the island.
7. Richard is from an ancient past - Can't answer for sure. Richard could be a lot of things.
8. Walt will return to the island - True. And if he doesn't, there better be a Walt spin-off show so we can get some answers about him.
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue - True. Everything has indicated that they were the original inhabitants of the island. Unless the statue was sucked through a wormhole or whatever, they built it.
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock - False. I think some of them are likely from the Black Rock.

[TuesdaySmith]

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" ~ False.. For a quick minute I thought his purpose was good, sometime last season, but I'm back to thinking he's just bad. Even if he ends up good, like we see evidence of him being good, I won't totally believe it!

2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" ~ Undecided.. I'm leaning towards True right now, but he was just so mean to Desmond, I almost don't want to see him be a good guy!

3. Mrs. Hawking is dead ~ False.. I don't even understand this question? I'm not at all on board with any dead people living theories (if that's what you're referring to) except for the short visits.

4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead ~ False, Charlotte really is dead, which is why her body disappeared instead of flashing with the others.

5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben ~ True! I can't wait!

6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore ~ True! At least I hope so!

7. Richard is from an ancient past ~ False.. Richard is from maybe the 20's.. he was really his real age when he was at the camp in '54. I feel really strongly about this.

8. Walt will return to the island ~ False, he's done. Oh wait, he might appear again, but not physically.

9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue ~ I think they could be a mix of people.. some are decendents, some are other people who randomly landed on the island, some might even be ex-DI.

10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock ~ False? I never really think about this. I know it's probably important, but I got so sick of it a while ago that I don't really care that much about who was on it and who wasn't. Kind of like smokey.. I'm just sick of talking about it, and I don't care as much what it is anymore.

So, that's it.. that's what I think. I can't wait to read other's!

[bunnydixon]

Please feel free to elaborate as much as you like or not at all:

The following are a list of ideas that you either believe to be true or false (or possibly have a lean one way or the other):

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" - depends on your definition of good ;)
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" - see above lol!
3. Mrs. Hawking is dead - nah, if she is daniels mother, the dead giving birth is taking it all a bit far :eek:
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead - she's dead, thats why she never travelled with them. the dead stay in their own timezone (like richard and the others...ben and locke ;))
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben - i think they will
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore - possibly
7. Richard is from an ancient past - if you mean ancient culture then nope, i disagree
8. Walt will return to the island - *shrugs*
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue - nope
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock - they migt be, they might not lol!


added my tuppence worth on the end of each one

[JfromtheD]

1. Ben "good"- False
2. Widmore "good"- True
3. Mrs. Hawking, dead- False
4. Charlotte, dead- False
5. Losties encounter 70's era Ben- True

6. Losties encounter 70's era Widmore- False
7. Richard is from an ancient past- False, Black Rock passenger
8. Walt will return to the island- False
9. Others, descendants of people that erected the statue- True
10. None of the others are descendants from people on the Black Rock- False

[kateisgr8t]

Please feel free to elaborate as much as you like or not at all:

The following are a list of ideas that you either believe to be true or false (or possibly have a lean one way or the other):

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
3. Mrs. Hawking is dead
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore
7. Richard is from an ancient past
8. Walt will return to the island
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock

1. In Ben's mind his ultimate purpose is "good", however, I think he will turn out to be the ultimate "bad" guy.

2. I believe Charles and Ben have the same motive, therefore, have the same result.

3. Mrs. Hawking is not Dead. She is a major key to the grand scheme of things.

4. Charlotte is Dead in the future. Daniel can change that by avoiding his past conversation with her, in turn eventually saving her life.

5. Absolutely, probably within the next couple of episodes.

6. Not sure, I don't see the Losties encountering the rest of the other's yet.

7. Richard is the island's soul. This would explain why he never ages and knows everything there is to know.

8. Walt never left the island.

9. Some could be. I don't think all are. I think they are just people who got trapped on the island and got brainwashed to be an other.

10. I could see some of the other's being members of the Black Rock.

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Great stuff, keep it coming...

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" - I try to imagine him having some "good" secret that will redeem him, but I'm skeptical; at this point I believe this is FALSE
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" - I don't believe we've seen him do anything that can be construed as evil. Martin Keamy's crew seemed a little over the top, but that's nothing compared to Ben's evil. At this time, I stll believe it's TRUE
3. Mrs. Hawking is dead - I threw this out there as a possibility based on the suggestions that Ben may have killed her (why he's all bloody prior to 815 flight) - I don't believe this to be the case: FALSE
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead - Just threw this out there as a possibility that Charlotte didn't travel, but if she didn't travel, then she remained in some past time (rather than the present; which I was contemplating) - I'm in the FALSE crowd for this one.
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben - TRUE (hopeful)
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore - TRUE (hopeful)
7. Richard is from an ancient past - Just a guess, but I tend to think that Richard was around prior to the Black Rock, and possibly around when the statue was built. No real rhyme or reason, just a hunch based on his lack of aging: TRUE
8. Walt will return to the island - I doubt it. I don't know how Walt will be explained, but I believe they'll be able to get by with explaining it without finding a way for him to return. I do believe either he was on 815 or he won't be returning at all; and I do not believe he was on 815: FALSE
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue - TRUE, just a hunch, again, no real rhyme or reason; I guess it just doesn't make sense to me that all of the *others* would have disappeared from the time the statue was created.
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock - FALSE, I believe they were recruited along the way (at least some of them)

[butterflygardengirl]

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
True, because good and evil are actually subjective/relative terms.

2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
Again, true... see above.

3. Mrs. Hawking is dead
false.

4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead
true in that I believe she died at one time but that time can change that


5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben
true

6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore
true

7. Richard is from an ancient past
true

8. Walt will return to the island
true

9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue
true

10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock
false

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

8. Walt never left the island.



I'd love to learn more about this theory. How would you explain Locke visiting Walt in NYC?

[hurleysgurl]

1. False - Ben is a master cheat, liar, manipulator whose only redeeming value was his love for his (kidnapped) daughter. Now that she is gone, he's about as rotten as they get.
2.Maybe. I think he also manipulates without caring about consequences.
3.False.
4. True
5. True
6. True
7. True
8. True, but how or when...
9 true...they are descendants but perhaps they were able to leave, but due to a shipwreck they were brought back to the island
10. False I believe that the Blackrock, like Flight 815 and now flight 316 brought back the people that the island wanted to be there. I mean, how unlikely is it that of three wrecks on the island that 2 are related and the third is not?

[Missie]

Answers in yellow.

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" - False. He has shown too much evil in him to be good - i.e. shooting Locke and leaving him for dead after their meeting with Jacob. If Jacob wants Locke's help and Ben refuses to accept that, then Ben no longer has the island's best interest in mind.
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" - True. So far, Widmore hasn't shown much in the way of being evil other than conjecture from Ben and Tom.
3. Mrs. Hawking is dead - False. Nothing has indicated this so far.
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead - False. She is dead. If Dan understands quantum physics, I would hope he knows how to check a pulse.
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben - True. It wouldn't make much sense if they didn't.
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore - True. I think we will see how Ben screws over Widmore for control of the island.
7. Richard is from an ancient past - Can't answer for sure. Richard could be a lot of things.
8. Walt will return to the island - True. And if he doesn't, there better be a Walt spin-off show so we can get some answers about him.
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue - True. Everything has indicated that they were the original inhabitants of the island. Unless the statue was sucked through a wormhole or whatever, they built it.
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock - False. I think some of them are likely from the Black Rock.

Instead of filling this out, I will just agree with Ort.

[bunnydixon]

Instead of filling this out, I will just agree with Ort.

suck up :p

[rochnative]

1 - Nope - Ben is a self-motivated S.O.B. - Personally I think he is trying to alter the past for his own benefit by bringing the O6 back, but he doesn't know or doesn't accept that you cannot change the past.
2 - Not enough information yet - sure he was a bastard to Desmond, but he was also trying to protect his daughter, which is understandable. We can only assume that he was going to have everyone on the island killed by the "freighter people". Aside from what Ben said, what evedince is there to support this?
3 - Ummm.... no? Nothing points to this being accurate.
4 - She's gone. That being said, dead people do have a tendancy to re-appear on the island so she might not be completely off the show.
5 - Surprised they haven't yet, but the DI inhabits more of the island than just the barracks. Who's to say Ben isn't living in another part of the island? Did we see Pierre Chang durring the last episode? How about the Orchid Station? They are scattered around the island and Ben is out there somewhere just waiting for his next ass beating.
6 - Seems to make sense - some will be against him, others will be for him causing a rift.
7 - Richard is one old dude who spends a fortune on eye-liner. I wonder how much a lifetime supply costs for someone who lives for thousands of years?
8 - He might not return to the island, but he will be seen in dreams or some other sort of manner. Question is, will he be drenched with water or will he be dry?
9 - I don't think the others are capable of reproduction which is why they need to "recruit" children and open minded people. While they may have started as the origional inhabitants of the island, those have all since passed away (aside from Richard who was a pharo or something) and been replaced.
10 - I think at one point a few of the people on the Black Rock became others, but they have long since died.

[rochnative]

One last thing - why does everyone think that the only reason Charlotte returns to the island is because of what Daniel said? She was infatuated with the island, spent her entire life studying about it and trying to prove that her mother was wrong when she said the island didn't exist. This is where she was born and spent her childhood. But in everyones opinion, none of that matters unless Daniel says what he says. So what we are all saying is that the random words of some crazy unknown bearded man have a greater impact on her life than EVERYTHING ELSE SHE HAS EVER DONE OR EXPERIENCED? Doesn't make sense to me. She was/will be determined to return regardless of what Daniel says to her.

What if instead of cautioning her to never return as she will die if she does, Daniel says something completely bonkers. "Hey little girl, in the future the island will turn into chocolate and the trees will be made of lolli-pops. Be sure to stay away." or "Hey red-head, the boogie monster eats little girls who don't listen to their mothers. This place never exists and I'm not real. Don't come back." or (even better) "If you ever come back you will never make it as a supermodel. How many supermodels do you know running around on the island. What would you rather be - a supermodel or dead?" Do we think any of these comments would sway her any more or less than what she heard from Daniel? She was comming back regardless of wheather she knew him or not.

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

why does everyone think that the only reason Charlotte returns to the island is because of what Daniel said?

I have not seen this suggested anywhere, but I have not read all the threads. I believe the point about Daniel saying something to Charlotte is that there is nothing he can do to keep her from coming back to the island. Daniel says, "I won't tell her" as if that will change things, but he knows deep down inside that that wouldn't help (IMO).

[rochnative]

I've read on a couple of different threads about how people think Daniel's comments carry such a great impact on her and by not saying it in the past/future will affect her. One person (not trying to call anyone out) even went through a whole thought process of his where if he tells her she will come back, but if he doesn't, she won't, but he has to because he did and....... (ad nauseum).

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Are you referring to this?

I imagine Daniel's thought process is going to go something like this:

- I told Charlotte not to come back, she died
- If I don't tell her not to come back, maybe she won't die
- But then how will she know that the she shouldn't come back
- Course correction would lead for her to come back and die anyway
- I must come up with a better way to tell her than what I may have done previously

Eventually, his emotional side will overpower is rational side, but deep down, he'll know that it won't matter anyway.

If so, that's what I wrote. It's not about what affects Charlotte; it's about how Daniel may process the situation. Just what I project will be going through his mind...nothing more.

[Baibe]

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" ...True in his own head so the answer is false. He has tried and succeded in killing to many people. And for what his own good.

2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" ...Again, I think this is false. I feel that Widmore has selfish motives and manipulates people almost the same as Ben. Widmore wants the island for hisself and will do whateva to get it.

3. Mrs. Hawking is dead ...False. Don't get how...

4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead ...False. She's gone like Minkowski. except for her past self.

5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben ...True. I think this will happen soon as they might be around the time that Ben arrives on the island.

6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore ...I think so... We'll find out how Ben tricked Widmore. Plus how Widmore knew when (as in what time) Locke and them would go back to

7. Richard is from an ancient past ...Not sure about Richard.

8. Walt will return to the island ...It seems that Locke didn't really need him but Abbadon told Joh he was 0 for 2, so maybe he is needed. Walt has been kinda special so I say True.

9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue ...False, seems most of the others have been recruited.

10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock ...True

[TuesdaySmith]

I'd love to learn more about this theory. How would you explain Locke visiting Walt in NYC?

I'm confused about that too.. I've heard of a few people say that they think Walt never left the island, but I haven't read any explanations. I totally think he's been off since we saw him and Michael leave, but I'm curious why some people think he's never left. I want to know!

[TuesdaySmith]

2 - Not enough information yet - sure he was a bastard to Desmond, but he was also trying to protect his daughter, which is understandable. We can only assume that he was going to have everyone on the island killed by the "freighter people". Aside from what Ben said, what evedince is there to support this?


Didn't other people in that episode say it too? It's a little fuzzy for me, but didn't oh, wait, Charlotte and Daniel went to turn off the gas because of what BEN might do (I'm just thinking out loud).. And the captain.. did he say that Ben planted the bodies or Widmore? I can't remember now.. I haven't rewatched it since before this season started, and at that time I was in the frame of mind that Widmore was totally evil. There might not be any evidence to support it.

[TuesdaySmith]

One last thing - why does everyone think that the only reason Charlotte returns to the island is because of what Daniel said? She was infatuated with the island, spent her entire life studying about it and trying to prove that her mother was wrong when she said the island didn't exist. This is where she was born and spent her childhood. But in everyones opinion, none of that matters unless Daniel says what he says...

I don't know what you mean by that.. who, or not who I guess, but what was being said that makes you think people only think Charlotte returns because of what Daniel said? I was under the impression that she didn't remember what Daniel said until that point in the woods when she was dying. I don't think her going to the island has anything to do with what Daniel said to her.

[chester]

Answers in yellow.

2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" - True. So far, Widmore hasn't shown much in the way of being evil other than conjecture from Ben and Tom.

What about his hand-chopping fetish, and killing his mate, and beating that guy up off island, and apparently giving orders to kill everyone on the island once Ben is captured?

Any of these actions, as well as Ben's, could be construed as either 'good' or 'evil' depending on the big picture - which we have been deliberately kept in the dark about.

Was it Abaddon who said that the difference between good and evil is not clear-cut at all?

I think the only points we can be sure about is Charlotte being dead (well as dead as Charlie anyway), otherwise she would have moved in time with the rest of them, and that Ben and Widmore will be shown on-island before or around the time of the Dharma purge.

But who is good and who is evil (or yin and yang, black and white, etc), i think, will be something TPTB will keep us guessing at right up until the final scene.

[Baibe]

Didn't other people in that episode say it too? It's a little fuzzy for me, but didn't oh, wait, Charlotte and Daniel went to turn off the gas because of what BEN might do (I'm just thinking out loud).. And the captain.. did he say that Ben planted the bodies or Widmore? I can't remember now.. I haven't rewatched it since before this season started, and at that time I was in the frame of mind that Widmore was totally evil. There might not be any evidence to support it.
Now that I think about it wansn't the C4 keamy's idea. he said he took out an insurance policy. I guess if they couldn't get ben he would just kill everyone. Widmore may not have instructed him to kill all the people on the island. Plus, Dan, Miles and Charlotte would have still been on the island gathering research for Widmore. So I think that was all Keamy. But that being said I still think Widmore is kinda bad cuz of what he wants out of the island. He seems an arrogant lil bugger and his true motives are unknown. Ok, maybe I'm on the fence.. more on evil tho.

[lkeegan]

1 true
2 not sure
3 no
4 no
5 yes
6 yes
7 yes
8 yes
9 yadda yadda
10 yadda yadda

[Baibe]

I don't know what you mean by that.. who, or not who I guess, but what was being said that makes you think people only think Charlotte returns because of what Daniel said? I was under the impression that she didn't remember what Daniel said until that point in the woods when she was dying. I don't think her going to the island has anything to do with what Daniel said to her.
That's true. She could have just wanted to prove that what she remembered was real and not a lie like what her mother told her. The Dan thing was probably the last thing on her mind at the time. She barely remembered. They say you see ur entire life when u are dying maybe that is the reason she just remembered.

[Turnip Queen]

Please feel free to elaborate as much as you like or not at all:

The following are a list of ideas that you either believe to be true or false (or possibly have a lean one way or the other):

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
3. Mrs. Hawking is dead
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore
7. Richard is from an ancient past
8. Walt will return to the island
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock


Oooh fun thread!!

1. True
2. True
3. False
4. False
5. True
6. True
7. True
8. True
9. False
10. True

[TuesdaySmith]

They say you see ur entire life when u are dying maybe that is the reason she just remembered.

That's exactly what I was thinking.. she seemed almost surprised when she said it, like she had just remembered it. Ooh! Maybe she just remembered it because the time they flashed in was the time he said it to her? Like, it didn't happen originally.. she didn't actually remember it, it was happening simultaneously? Or maybe not, but that just made me think of Desmond.. When Daniel told him to find his mother, he wakes up and says it wasn't a dream, it was a memory.. only he just remembered it right then because it hadn't happened before.

[Baibe]

That's exactly what I was thinking.. she seemed almost surprised when she said it, like she had just remembered it. Ooh! Maybe she just remembered it because the time they flashed in was the time he said it to her? Like, it didn't happen originally.. she didn't actually remember it, it was happening simultaneously? Or maybe not, but that just made me think of Desmond.. When Daniel told him to find his mother, he wakes up and says it wasn't a dream, it was a memory.. only he just remembered it right then because it hadn't happened before.
Ooooh love it! Like it was a new memory. only thing tho Des said that it did happen when he was talking to Penny in "The Lie" and she asked why he just remembered. Even tho it was like a new memory. But I love the thinking of why Charlotte just remembered.

[DeathMag84]

1. True (I hope)
2. False (I hope?)
3. True (Good Theory)
4. True
5. True (Oh Yeah)
6. True (We know now that Widmore led "The Others" at this time and we're bound to see him in this era)
7. True (Juilet said herself he is "OLD"!)
8. True (He is to special not to)
9. True (Yes some are recruited but, not all of them)
10. This can go both ways but, True why not?!

[TheSilhouetteofVengeance]

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"-----True
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"-----False
3. Mrs. Hawking is dead-----False
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead------False
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben------True
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore------False
7. Richard is from an ancient past------True
8. Walt will return to the island------True
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue----True
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on Black Rock--False

[LincolnEcho06]

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
FALSE: His purpose has never been good. He has ultimately been selfish. It seems no one (the OTHERS, flight 815, or DHARMA) really, fully trusted Ben. He got power due to being a communicator with Jacob. His evil ways started when he was the child of an alcoholic father. He killed off the DHARMA people to gain power and became leader of the OTHERS. I'm assuming SIDS or Sudden Infant Death Syndrome started happening after he gained power (possibly as a punishment from Jacob because Ben turned evil). He wasn't into Juliette's book club. He kept Jack Shephard alive only to have back surgery. He never lets anybody off the island without torturing them in some way. I think he was the brains of the operation in blowing up Widmore's freighter. He has killed Locke twice; once with a gunshot to the kidney that wasn't there apparently and again by strangling him with an electrical cord to find out how to get back to the Island. I think he's divorced if we didn't see a wife which may be Rousseau, but she was pregnant before getting to the island thanks to somebody not Ben (if you're pregnant before coming to the island, I guess it's a go, just as in Claire's case) and his supposed daughter died back in season 3 (what kind of "good" father, despite blood relation, lets his daughter die?). He's just a bad dude all around; great actor though.

2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
FALSE: To keep it short, he posed a plane crash, sent mercenaries to kill people, paid off Desmond so he wouldn't marry Penny, and is a multi-billionaire that seems unsatisfied. This could be due to post-dramatic war syndrome from Vietnam.

3. Mrs. Hawking is dead
She is alive in the present and she might be among DHARMA people in the 70s since she knows all the innerworkings of time travel and predestination (meaning we all have a fate or destiny that cannot be changed and the world will find a way to make sure it happens; like in the movie Final Destination). I don't see how she could be dead anyways; Ben or Widmore hasn't tried to kill her.

4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead
FALSE: Present day Charlotte died from seizures thanks to the skips through time involving high pitched noises and flashes of light, however her body is MIA. 1970s little girl Charlotte is obviously alive. I suppose if there is a Pet Cemetery, present day Charlotte (should body be found) could be reincarnated and why not reincarnate Charlie, Echo, Echo's brother, Shannon, Boone, Anna-Lucia, Libby, Artz, Henry Gale (the original, not Ben), all the babies that have died, and many others.

5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben
TRUE: Everyone else that was there before, is there now. This might be key for "Losties" should they kill 70s Ben, they could alter everything, but the outcome may not be fullproof as it would leave DHARMA and the Others still on the island when 815 crashes. Although, Sawyer and gang were addressed by DHARMA to leave the Island immediately - maybe not all that bad in killing Ben. There might be a major paradox should present day Ben encounter 70s Ben. Either "The Back to the Future" fainting thing will happen or the theory of matter comes into play, which is the SAME matter cannot occupy the SAME space (if you remember the movie TimeCop, the present and past person melts together then into nothing in a weird goo almost like the Wicked Witch.

6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore
TRUE: They sort of already did if you count Locke. Odds are that it will happen again should the "Losties" reach the US ARMY 70s era. If FOX picks up LOST, it will be turned into "That LOST 70's Show" with everybody getting into funny antics and maybe smoke a little in Sawyer's basement. It would be funky goodtimes filled with Sawyerisms and Hurleyisms.

7. Richard is from an ancient past
TRUE: This guy always seems to be around and never ages. Maybe the "fountain of youth" is on the island. He might not be the leader, he's probably the best-looking among the OTHERS, so he is the spokesperson. If I could live for eternity, there would be a major era called the "Beer Pong and Cornhole" Era. For a culture that's been around forever, they should have some great games. I suppose there is no golf course due to the Black Smoke Monster hazard and random polar bears.

8. Walt will return to the island
FALSE: This actor is an adult now, it's not going to happen . . . UNLESS he leaves NY, finds Mrs. Hawking, gets on a plane, and is zapped back to the island. Michael does not appear to be coming back, but Walt doesn't know it. I'm guessing should Walt be zapped back to the 70s, he would have to wait 30-some years to wait for Michael to show up and tell Michael not to come back to the island or listen to Ben; the result leaves Walt wasting a big portion of his life on the island, but maybe reverse everything so after 30 years Walt would be young again and back in NY with Michael. Or "The Back to the Future" thing where if the past changes, a person will fade from existence.

9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue
DON'T KNOW: It seems like it would be true, but as a watcher of the show, am not 100%. I suppose if you look at tribes in Africa that have remained true to their culture despite many other cultures advancing as far as flying shuttles into space in order to lose a $100,000 tool bag, I think the OTHERS (if they are the ancient culture) would have preserved the statue through any means. If they can live forever, I think they can master architectural design. The statue may have been destroyed by the Vietnam War and thanks to Ben Linus, there aren't a lot of OTHERS around to rebuild.

10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on Black Rock
TRUE: Most likely TRUE. It was a slave ship and if those people were around, I'm guessing the OTHERS' population would be a bit more larger. Uninvited visitors to the island have not been welcome. DHARMA may have been welcome due to the name and its connection to eastern religions of Hinduism and Buddhism; Dharma meaning "natural law or reality". The island is over in the vacinity of where that religion kind of is.

FINAL STATEMENT
It's all Ben's fault; kill him. It's also all a dream, Jack Shephard's dream because that flight attendant on 815 gave him that heavily alcoholic drink (3 to 4 little vodka bottles I think) on the plane. Everything is coincidental and come on - time travel!? Anybody knows you need to be going 88 mph, have a flux capacitor, some plutonium, and 1.21 jiggawatts (should be giggawatt) to travel through time.

I do also believe season 4 dragged on into nothingness forever. There is maybe 4 episodes that helped get us to season 5 including the one with Desmond's mind zipping back and forth; Daniel concludes Desmond is his "constant". That's what we get due to a writer's strike I suppose; LOST was suppose to be only 5 seasons.

I guess if there are more Sawyerisms, Hurleyisms, Sawyer continues to get with all the women, and throw in some explosions - it's all good. Maybe everybody from LOST will end up on 24, it's already happened; some people from 24 have transferred to LOST.

[LincolnEcho06]

I'm supporting the theory of Charlotte not returning because she will end up being a super model and that is better than being dead (quoted way earlier).

I will not support a Walt spin-off show unless it involves Hurley, Sawyer, and Anna-Lucia. Maybe they can write up a list of all the bad things they have done and try to correct those things so DHARMA doesn't give them bad luck.

[ortrules]

What about his hand-chopping fetish, and killing his mate, and beating that guy up off island, and apparently giving orders to kill everyone on the island once Ben is captured?

The hand chopping thing was apparently an Other thing, not a Widmore thing. So if hand chopping makes you evil, then all of the Others are evil - which would include Richard, Jacob, Ben, Juliet and any Other you can think of.

He killed his friend because he was about to expose secrets to the island and Widmore wouldn't allow that. He was protecting the island at all costs.

Beating that guy up off the island - can you tell me why he did that? You can't. Getting in a fight doesn't make you evil unless you do it for evil reasons, and we don't know the reason behind that.

I don't think the order was the kill everyone on the island once Ben is captured. The order was simply to capture Ben. Keamy took it one step too far and implemented the second phase of "torching" the island - and everyone who wasn't part of Keamy's crew was disgusted by that idea. So that may have been Keamy's idea and not Widmores - I'm certain Widmore wouldn't want to torch the island if his plan is to get back there.

I have personally witnessed Ben do bad things with ill intentions and I have yet to personally witness Widmore doing bad things with ill intentions. Innocent until proven guilty.

[Slimcowboy]

sent missionaries to kill people,



I'm gonna assume that was supposed to be mercenaries?! lol
that's just hilarious

[chester]

The hand chopping thing was apparently an Other thing, not a Widmore thing. So if hand chopping makes you evil, then all of the Others are evil - which would include Richard, Jacob, Ben, Juliet and any Other you can think of.

He killed his friend because he was about to expose secrets to the island and Widmore wouldn't allow that. He was protecting the island at all costs.

Beating that guy up off the island - can you tell me why he did that? You can't. Getting in a fight doesn't make you evil unless you do it for evil reasons, and we don't know the reason behind that.

I don't think the order was the kill everyone on the island once Ben is captured. The order was simply to capture Ben. Keamy took it one step too far and implemented the second phase of "torching" the island - and everyone who wasn't part of Keamy's crew was disgusted by that idea. So that may have been Keamy's idea and not Widmores - I'm certain Widmore wouldn't want to torch the island if his plan is to get back there.

I have personally witnessed Ben do bad things with ill intentions and I have yet to personally witness Widmore doing bad things with ill intentions. Innocent until proven guilty.


Oh well, that settles it then, Ben's the bad guy and Widmore's the good guy. At least that's one mystery solved :P

[ortrules]

Oh well, that settles it then, Ben's the bad guy and Widmore's the good guy. At least that's one mystery solved :P

I'm not saying it's 100% the truth. Widmore could turn out to be very evil in the end. I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt until I get confirmation with my own eyes that he truly is the "bad" guy.

[bunnydixon]

sent missionaries to kill people,



I'm gonna assume that was supposed to be mercenaries?! lol
that's just hilarious

i dunno.....have you ever messed with missionaries :eek:

[Baibe]

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
FALSE: His purpose has never been good. He has ultimately been selfish. It seems no one (the OTHERS, flight 815, or DHARMA) really, fully trusted Ben.

Including Eloise Hawking... Jack to E.H. "Is he lying?"... Her reply "probably". Classic loved it! (I hope those were the right words.)

FINAL STATEMENT
Everything is coincidental and come on - time travel!? Anybody knows you need to be going 88 mph, have a flux capacitor, some plutonium, and 1.21 jiggawatts (should be giggawatt) to travel through time.

LOL Hilarious. Love it!

[Slimcowboy]

1. and come on - time travel!? Anybody knows you need to be going 88 mph, have a flux capacitor, some plutonium, and 1.21 jiggawatts (should be giggawatt) to travel through time.

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LOL and don't use wiskey to power that flux capacitor! BOOM

[Darth Linus]

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" -------True. At least in his own mind this is true. It always seems he has a purpose. Don't know if I can always say that his purpose is to do anyone in paticular evil, just has a purpose. He did get himself kicked off the island. That on some level seemed selfless.

2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"-----False. This guy has always had a shroud of evil over him. Even Widmore from the 50's was a bit of a jerk with a short temper. amybe he thought he had put in his time as one of the up and comers and felt he was due the leader role when Richard or the island found Ben and thought differently. I still think Widmore is more about vengence.

3. Mrs. Hawking is dead-----False. She just looks dead.

4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead------True. This would just make the story a little better if he were wrong.

5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben------Maybe. What year was it when Ben got to the island?

6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore------True.

7. Richard is from an ancient past------True. I'd like to believe the whole Egyptian man falling through the portal idea.

8. Walt will return to the island------True. This needs to happen. He had so many unexpained things about him and then he was gone. Maybe he's the next leader down the road.

9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue----False. The other except for Richard all seem to be what would look like avgerage Americans in a jungle.

10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on Black Rock--False. This would make more sense then all of them being from an ancent society.

There you go. My attempt at explaining it all.

[LincolnEcho06]

sent missionaries to kill people,



I'm gonna assume that was supposed to be mercenaries?! lol
that's just hilarious

Thanks for grammar checking, it was a big reply and I'm a bit of an insomniac. It would be funny to nuns and priests with rifles.

[sixxter]

true or false- bobby ewing will appear in the last episode as the man from atlantis??

[abcd1234]

how about eric roberts? he was totally wasted on heroes

[boutte]

Please feel free to elaborate as much as you like or not at all:

The following are a list of ideas that you either believe to be true or false (or possibly have a lean one way or the other):

1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" T
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" F
3. Mrs. Hawking is deadF
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being deadF
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era BenT
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore
7. Richard is from an ancient pastT
8. Walt will return to the islandT
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statueF
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black RockF . .