Sawyer and the damn rope

[NyLost607]

While watching the show i didnt realize it right away but after reading another members post it makes so much sense that this entire thing may have been caused by Sawyer. when he was helping lock down the well there was the flash and everythin was gone including the well but the rope was still in the ground. in last weeks episode we go from that to them looking up and seeing the statue which is the farthest in time they have traveled back. maybe sawyer holding the rope kept it there then when they vanish the rope is sticking in the ground leading whatever civilization right to the portal. maybe this caused the discovery in the first place. any ideas?

[huntsy7]

It's the chicken or the egg again. If nobody discovered it before Sawyer, there would not have been a well for Locke to go down in the first place. It's one of those things on this show that makes your head hurt.

[MagicoA]

It's the chicken or the egg again. If nobody discovered it before Sawyer, there would not have been a well for Locke to go down in the first place. It's one of those things on this show that makes your head hurt.
i mean at this point it can be a time loop so it is like he is meant to hold the rope and he did it in the first place thats why he did it now its kinda simple actually ever seen the movie 12 monkeys? its kinda like the end of that movie

[wiley]

I think in the opening sequence of season 5 we see the D.I. find the FDW with a sonogram, the same one where they melted a couple of drill bits in the rock leading to the frozen chamber.

[James Ford]

As we saw the well was built but either filled or not dug yet. to me it looked filled in, maybe someone has discovered whats down there and wanted to hide its powers by filling it in. but i think faraday is the key here, he knows about the wheel and knows where the rope is and he is also in the hole as we saw in the season premiere. this just confuses me ,,,to many loose ends.....

[NyLost607]

yeah it is all confusing. makes it more interesting. nice to hav at least one show that isnt mind numbing. the plot reminds me of a crossword puzzle. nothing is pointless. everything fits so nicely so far. dont want it to end but cant wait to know how it will all turn out

[thelawgiver]

This seems to not work as a theory. Wells are built to get water. It seems that this one was built for just that purpose and not to access some time machine donkey wheel. My guess is the Well was built for water. When it dried up, someone recognized the power source and built a device to control it. I don't think a piece of rope would lead to building a Well. Maybe a curious investigation, but not the engineered Well.

Also, that was a natural rope, which, in the jungle, would rot rather rapidly. It would also be overgrown very quickly by jungle vegetation.

[thelawgiver]

And it would make more sense for the Well to be built for access to a "magical" water source that may work like the fountain of youth. Right Richard Alpert?

[NyLost607]

This seems to not work as a theory. Wells are built to get water. It seems that this one was built for just that purpose and not to access some time machine donkey wheel. My guess is the Well was built for water. When it dried up, someone recognized the power source and built a device to control it. I don't think a piece of rope would lead to building a Well. Maybe a curious investigation, but not the engineered Well.

Also, that was a natural rope, which, in the jungle, would rot rather rapidly. It would also be overgrown very quickly by jungle vegetation.

but imnagine being in the middle of nowhere and finding a man made material runnin to nowhere anyone had ever been. i just cant see anything being found accidentally. everything on the show comes back to mean something. i think with the time period it threw them in with the statue it has to mean someting. maybe the well never had anything to do with water. even when it wasnt filled in there was no sign of water

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Also, that was a natural rope, which, in the jungle, would rot rather rapidly. It would also be overgrown very quickly by jungle vegetation.

This is a good point. This makes me feel better about the idea that the rope has a necessary ending (and then a beginning). So essentially that rope will rot away (what, 10-15 years?) and then a new one would need to be created.

I still think that there's sufficient time for the rope to be discovered and curiosity to lead to the digging of the well, though.

[Chronos]

It's the chicken or the egg again. If nobody discovered it before Sawyer, there would not have been a well for Locke to go down in the first place. It's one of those things on this show that makes your head hurt.

First off, let me comment that I don't agree that the rope in the ground would have tipped off anyone... first, it would have needed to be spotted by someone before it decayed and got covered with plant growth. Unless the ancients saw Sawyer & Co standing there before flashing off, I really don't think this would have occured.

Second, I don't agree that this is a chicken or the egg dilemma. The rope was always there.... there wasn't a "first time" that Sawyer left it there. I realize that there are other theories and explorations about time travel and alternate realities, but Faraday has said that "what happens, happens", in other words, when Oceanic 815 crashed on that island, the events in the past like the rope in the ground incident had already taken place in the linear timeline.

[JfromtheD]

Not trying to be dissagreable, but...

The Well doesn't lead to a water source... it leads to the Wheel.

And the ropes on the Black Rock have been in tact for a lot longer than Sawyer's.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/d/d4/Black_Rock_%28full%29.jpg

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Not trying to be dissagreable, but...

The Well doesn't lead to a water source... it leads to the Wheel.

And the ropes on the Black Rock have been in tact for a lot longer than Sawyer's.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/d/d4/Black_Rock_%28full%29.jpg

The Black Rock's ropes could be as young as 125 years old in that picture (intended setting at least). I'm not sure if the halyards are supposed to be more durable than the rope that we saw for the well, but perhaps it is a flaw that they show the Black Rock vessel with such taught halyards. Come to think of it. It should be a lot more overgrown with vegetation than it is.

I don't think too much should be made of it, though. While we are looking at the picture of it. I doubt it was created to be scrutinized with such detail.

[Chronos]

And the ropes on the Black Rock have been in tact for a lot longer than Sawyer's.

Good point about the ropes... but I'd like to add that Sawyer may have well left the rope in the ground before the time of the Black Rock. If the theory that the statue is Egyptian holds true and the time when Sawyer & Co saw it was when Egypt had its pharaohs, it would place them at around 1,300 BC. The Black Rock may be a pirate or buccaneer ship, which would date it around the 1,600's AD. There may be a 3,000 year difference here. Plus, the ropes dangling off the Black Rock get daily sun, keeping them dry... far from the moist rot-causing ground.

[thelawgiver]

Again, if you are digging up the ground to see where the rope goes, why build a full fledged Well?? It seems to me you would just dig, and if you found this holy grail, you would fashion something better than a well and a rope for a water pail, to get down there.

[NyLost607]

in the newest episode they ar not far from where the statue is. i think that the people of that time were the first to find it. if someone found the rope they could of built the well. why would they bother showing it and miles also mentions it. after years of watching the show havent we learned that everything we find out has had some way of tipping us off before. for all we know richard discovered it. i doubt that dahrma was the first group to use the wheel. with the writing on the walls we know some ancient group used it at some point. the rope leads right to it and is piled up right on top of it in a clear area. there is no chance it means absolutely nothing. i think the biggest wonder is if it might somehow lead to the temple as well. it isnt even my theory but i recognize a good idea when i see one