perception is reality....why hasn't Juliet said anything?

[navyguy]

Ok, we now know that island time is slower than real time. Perception is reality however. Ben's people MUST know about this secret. If Juliet didn't know about this how could she have told Jack about the '04 BoSox win and not be surprised by it.
In Juliet's perception if she did not know about the time difference would be a date earlier than the crash. Why hasn't she said anything to Jack or any1 else about this?

[bunnydixon]

i dont entirely follow but let me say what i think you are saying....

if the island time is slower - the date on the island is pre sept 22 2004?

[navyguy]

Yes. I guess that is what I am saying.
Im using Juliet as an example. It would be X amount of island days from her last known real time date when the survivors crashed, so when they did it would not be september 22, 2004 to her as it was to them.

[bunnydixon]

was thinking about this and have remembered that desmond had a print out that confirmed it was sept 22 2004 (island time) when he brought down the plane.

you have the hatch countdown aswell which seems to be in regular time so are you suggesting that its not and their perception only makes it appear to be to them?

am i waffling again? lol!

[King_Nate]

I Thought The Island Was ....ahead...31 Min..not Behind?

I Thought That Payload Was "late" Not Early...think About It...if The Island Was Ahead....ben Could Know Exactly What Is Goin On B4 It Happens .......which Would Give Him A True Advantage In The "real World"?!?!?!?

[navyguy]

Ok wow. completely forgot about that.
That confuses me though. We discover from "the economist" and flyoceanicair.com that there is time distortion BUT as you said, the recorded data in the hatch produced "real time".
So then if Desmond got to the island before 815 did, and island time is slower than real time, why didn't it strike him as odd to see that date?

[jacksnurse]

king....great point...now something else for us all to think on...omg

[navyguy]

I Thought The Island Was ....ahead...31 Min..not Behind?

I Thought That Payload Was "late" Not Early...think About It...if The Island Was Ahead....ben Could Know Exactly What Is Goin On B4 It Happens .......which Would Give Him A True Advantage In The "real World"?!?!?!?

If the island was 31 minutes ahead of real time then the payload would have gotten there 31 minutes early and not 31 minutes late.

[TuesdaySmith]

Does anyone know the date of the fake crash? I can't find it anywhere..

[Dzbabykel]

Does anyone know the date of the fake crash? I can't find it anywhere..

I could be wrong but I don't think they ever told us a date. I do know that Oceanic Airlines has stated they are back up in running December of 2007....not sure if its supposedly the same time frame as when the fake plane was found though.

[navyguy]

I could be wrong but I don't think they ever told us a date. I do know that Oceanic Airlines has stated they are back up in running December of 2007....not sure if its supposedly the same time frame as when the fake plane was found though.

It must be roughly around the same time. Remember Sam was protesting at the press release that they were giving up the search.

[Dzbabykel]

Yah you're right....hmm

[TuesdaySmith]

It must be roughly around the same time. Remember Sam was protesting at the press release that they were giving up the search.

Yeah, but who says that happened in 2007? I mean, yeah, it did, in OUR time.. real life.. but not on the show.

[TuesdaySmith]

In the videos, Sam says the date of the crash, but not the YEAR. That would lead me to believe that SAM is in the same timeline as the show, not our timeline.

When something huge happens, and it's a couple years later, wouldn't you say when blah blah happened on Aug. 5, 2005? Not just plain Aug. 5 if it's not the same year anymore?

[justme]

You have a good point there.

[TSOL1]

Depends on how big i guess. We say 9/11 without the date. I guess something on the scale of an entire Jumbo Jet crashing and no survivors could be seen as a huge event.

[justjoe]

If the payload was 31 minutes late that means that the island is 31 minutes behind off-island time. According to Regina the payload had already gotten to it's destination. It wasn't until 31 minutes later that it landed on the island meaning the island is 31 minutes behind. I think I just confused myself.

[stream]

if the rocket was launched and then it is in the air , supposed to be there in about 28 secs, but 31 min 20 sec late. So the rocket is going right? and then it goes thru the time distortion and then it comes in late so time is 67 times slower, no more.. that canot be right, where are our sccience majors

[TuesdaySmith]

Depends on how big i guess. We say 9/11 without the date. I guess something on the scale of an entire Jumbo Jet crashing and no survivors could be seen as a huge event.

Commercial flight crasheswith no survivors.. do you know the years of these dates? (these are dates of real commerical flight crashes with over 100 passengers with no survivors):

08/22
05/25
07/09

They were from major countries (one is US).. there are tons more at this site
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/database.htm

My point is just that Sam not mentioning a year really seems like he's talking about the same year.

[justjoe]

I agree Tuesday. I will rewatch the videos and see if there is anything there about when the search boat left.

[TheCAD]

if the rocket was launched and then it is in the air , supposed to be there in about 28 secs, but 31 min 20 sec late. So the rocket is going right? and then it goes thru the time distortion and then it comes in late so time is 67 times slower, no more.. that canot be right, where are our sccience majors

Agree with this...

Logically it doesn't make since the island is 31 minutes behind. If they were magically behind or ahead in time it would take the same amount of time for the payload to travel as it would anywhere else.

However, if time is X times slower/faster then that would effect how long it takes for something to travel.

The writers obviously don't have to follow rules of logic or science.

However if they are. It makes much more sense that time on the island is X times slower than time on the freighter.

I say it doesn't make sense because of this: If you have a magic plane(invisible wall) where time on one side is standard and the other side is +31 minutes when you set something off to travel it isn't going to care it passed through a magic plane. It still will take 15 seconds or w/e to get there.

On the other hand if time is slower on the island when the person is counting down on the freighter much less time is passing on the island and thats why the payload doesn't arrive until well after.