The Incident

[notsolost42]

I think to understand what the incident is we have to go back to the Swan Orientation video. The Swan was originally constructed for scientific research but then the "incident" occured and they created the computer with the numbers. So, Radzinski's original involvement was for purely scientific purposes. First read this part of the transcript from the video. As you all know Dr. Candle is speaking:

You and your partner are currently located in station three, or The Swan, and will be for the next 540 days. The station 3 was originally constructed as a laboratory, where scientists could work to understand the unique electromagnetic fluctuations emanating from this sector of the island. Not long after the experiments began, however, there was... an 'incident'... and since that time, the following protocol has been observed:

(That?) every 108 minutes, the button must be pushed. From the moment the alarm sounds, you will have 4 minutes to enter the code into the microcomputer processor... * ...duction into the program. When the alarm sounds, either you or your partner must input the code. It is highly recommended that you and your partner take alternating shifts. In this manner you will both stay as fresh and alert... * (it is of the ut)most importance, that when the alarm sounds, the code be entered correctly and in a timely fashion.

Now do not attempt to use the computer... * ...for anything... *


The Swan Orientation video was made in 1980 according to the copyright after the video finishes. Right now, we are in 1977 DI time with our losties. I think that the 1980 date is significant because everything seems to jump both forward and backward by three years. Therefore, the next episode will undoubtably occur in 1980. Now, from what we see on the coming attractions, all heck has broken lose. The DI village is burning to the ground and everyone seems to be after everyone else.

Here are my thoughts. In the epi Namaste, when Jack goes to visit Sawyer he speaks to Phil or Jerry. I believe that he becomes a little suspicious of Jack. He seemed a bit suspicious of Kate in the processing room when they arrived. Well, what if one thing leads to another and over time the DI realise two things. The first thing is that the exotic matter holds open a doorway that can allow for time jumping and the second is that our friends are from the future. Well, all heck breaks out. We may have seen a little hint about that. This destruction of the DI village is the incident. I will bet that many were killed in the panic and that's how Dr. Cheng probably lost his arm. In the Swan Orientation video his arm is already a prosthetic.

So, the brilliant scientists of the DI came up with the computer and numbers to stop the time shifts. Or, actually the shifts in dimensions. The computer does keep the island teathered in one place or dimension in spacetime. The DI want to stop what they think are invaders from the future from destroying their island. I think that the scientists we will see involved in this project will be Dr. Cheng, Dan Faraday and Eloise Hawking.

So, any thoughts?

[notsolost42]

This is part of what I had posted today about the science of Lost. It completely explains what the exotic matter does and I don't think it's too scientific...hopefully.

Closed Timelike Curve - a closed curve in spacetime is permitted by a particular spacetime as a trajectory of an object or its worldline. It has been described as a spiral staircase to another dimensional layer. The Kerr Metric and black holes are solutions to Einstein’s Field Equations. So is a Closed Timelike Curve proposed by Willem Jacob van Stockum. (yes, Willem JACOB van Stockum whose wife was named Emily and who died in a plane crash. Coincidence? I think not.) A Kerr Black Hole is formed by a rotating matter, possesses a ring singularity (a ring singularity is the vacuum solution to Einstein’s Field Equations and is the distorted ring like region in the event horizon of a black hole, which is caused by centrifugal forces of the rotating black hole.) and permits closed timelike curves through this ring. The Casimir Effect represents quantum gravity, or a repulsing force in a vacuum; theoretically, the vacuum of space. The negatively charged exotic matter repels gravity. The closest known real representative of exotic matter is a region of pseudo-negative pressure density produced by the Casimir effect.

So the exotic matter produces the Casimir Effect, which in turn, is the force holding open the black hole where the closed timelike curve spirals to another dimension or to the islands duality. This is my opinion and is based on the real scientific theory of CTC’s, black holes, quantum gravity, negatively charged exotic matter, etc. and how it all can tie together to answer many of the questions about the show and why the island is so special and why it travels in time.

If you do want to read more about Einstein's Field Equations or the Kerr Metric please check out the post. There is lots of info about the Casimir Effect as well, which is what Dr. Cheng had eventually discovered about the exotic matter.

[woogie]

So the "electromagnetic fluctuations" near the Swan have similar effects as the "exotic matter" near the Orchid?? I thought perhaps they would have different effects. Im thinking Dharma won't expect anything to do with time travel until they get started building/planning the Orchid. They still havent shown us any Orchid updates have they?

[abcd1234]

the incident also was centered around a malfunction of the cerebus security system and occured in late 80s

[notsolost42]

So the "electromagnetic fluctuations" near the Swan have similar effects as the "exotic matter" near the Orchid?? I thought perhaps they would have different effects. Im thinking Dharma won't expect anything to do with time travel until they get started building/planning the Orchid. They still havent shown us any Orchid updates have they?

The EM is from the exotic matter.

[notsolost42]

the incident also was centered around a malfunction of the cerebus security system and occured in late 80s

Could you post your source for that info, I never heard it before. Thanks.

[yokogleeton]

Could you post your source for that info, I never heard it before. Thanks.

he might be referencing the blast door map. There's a note about the Staff being abandoned in 85 due to an "incident" in 1985...right under it is a note about the cerberus malfunction.

http://www.caffeine-headache.net/weblog/blastDoorMapOverlay.jpg

There is also a note listed as "suspected shut down date 10.28.84"

Either way I dont think the cerberus malfunction and the incident mentioned in the Swan video are the same two occurrences...especially seening how the Swan vid was made in 1980.

I suspect that the "incident" referred to by the good doctor may involve wither our losties trying to create a rift to move forward in time where they should be...or possibly Sun trying to get back to 1977. thoughts?

[Simon Blackrock]

The island is just as you say notsolost.When Ellie was explaining the island,she said they knew it was there but could not physically see it.Just like how scientists can predict a blackhole or things like darkmatter but cannot physically see them.the math says it is there, just like the island.

that blast door map has some wierd stuff."estimated time travel time incompatible with 108 do not attemp to journey" what does that mean?

[yokogleeton]

The island is just as you say notsolost.When Ellie was explaining the island,she said they knew it was there but could not physically see it.Just like how scientists can predict a blackhole or things like darkmatter but cannot physically see them.the math says it is there, just like the island.

that blast door map has some wierd stuff."estimated time travel time incompatible with 108 do not attemp to journey" what does that mean?

Simon, I think you got time travel on the mind like the rest rest of us.

You threw an extra "time" in there.

"estimated travel time incompatible with 108 do not attempt to journey"
I interpreted this to say that it is too far for radzinsky to get to this part of the island, explore and calculate what to map, and get back to the hatch before 108 minutes is up. Based on this i theorize that Radzinsky was in the hatch alone before the arrival of Kelvin Inman and was doing all the exploration solo in a manner that would mean he absolutely had to get back in 108 to push that button or else, so journeying to that location was, in essence, a suicide run. agree disagree?

[notsolost42]

The island is just as you say notsolost.When Ellie was explaining the island,she said they knew it was there but could not physically see it.Just like how scientists can predict a blackhole or things like darkmatter but cannot physically see them.the math says it is there, just like the island.

that blast door map has some wierd stuff."estimated time travel time incompatible with 108 do not attemp to journey" what does that mean?

Good catch from the blast door map! I actually had that as my computer wall paper and for about two years and never saw it! LOL!! I think it means that the 108 holds the door closed for time travel. The Swan computer, in my theory, was built to keep the black hole closed. The exotic matter is probably a black body. A black body absorbs EM and is fine when kept cold, ice caves, when it is heated, turning the wheel, it releases huge amounts of EM. The EM release is the unique anomoly that causes the Casimir Effect. The Casimir Effect causes the opening in the quantum vacuum which is what holds open the black hole. Yes, I firmly believe it is a black hole and not a worm hole. I wrote about all this in the Science of Lost thread. Anyway, when the numbers entered into the computer every 108 minutes it causes small, inconsequntial releases of EM from the exotic matter. It keeps it safe and cool. Keeping it cool and safe keeps the door closed for time travel. It keeps the island teathered to one spacetime. The 108 metric is important for this reason.

[agmic]

he might be referencing the blast door map. There's a note about the Staff being abandoned in 85 due to an "incident" in 1985...right under it is a note about the cerberus malfunction.

http://www.caffeine-headache.net/weblog/blastDoorMapOverlay.jpg

There is also a note listed as "suspected shut down date 10.28.84"

Either way I dont think the cerberus malfunction and the incident mentioned in the Swan video are the same two occurrences...especially seening how the Swan vid was made in 1980.

I suspect that the "incident" referred to by the good doctor may involve wither our losties trying to create a rift to move forward in time where they should be...or possibly Sun trying to get back to 1977. thoughts?

When Sun met Christian, he shows Sun a picture of Jin, Hugo, Kate, and Jack. and tells her that she has a long trip to take to get to Jin...... Could Christian lead her to the orchad and she turns the wheel. This might get her to Jin or them (Jin, Kate, Jack , and Hugo ) back to 2007 ???thoughts

[Richard_Cranium]

If sun turns the wheel she will go to the desert, i think frank the pilot has to turn it.

[MrsBoone]

I think "The incident" involves Farraday ~ I think the scene you're referring to with the compound under attack is due to a breakdown of the "truce" and they're probably connected .. somehow

[notsolost42]

If sun turns the wheel she will go to the desert, i think frank the pilot has to turn it.

I think all this Sun or Frank turn the wheel is a cop out and would be a disappointment. If it was so simple, that someone could just turn the wheel to an exact time then why didn't it work before. Why don't people use it all the time as the method of time travel? Because it is not that simple! I don't believe that is what will happen. Sorry. Not buying it right now. But, I will reserve the right to buy it later!;)

[notsolost42]

I think "The incident" involves Farraday ~ I think the scene you're referring to with the compound under attack is due to a breakdown of the "truce" and they're probably connected .. somehow

Watch the Swan Orientation video. It will give you an idea about the incident. I am not too sure it will involve the others but rather it involves a disaster with the EM anomoly they were playing with in the Swan before it happened. It's posted in Lostpedia with all the other videos.

[Manxome Bazam]

I think it is safe to say that the "incident" will end up revolving around the 'Losties'

Am I the only one that caught that Sawyer said that Faraday wasn't there anymore?

[notsolost42]

I think it is safe to say that the "incident" will end up revolving around the 'Losties'

Am I the only one that caught that Sawyer said that Faraday wasn't there anymore?

The incident involves the EM at the Swan and our losties. I think you will see that the DI figure out they are not who they say they are and connect it. Perhaps that the incident is also when our 2007 friends finally make it back during those experiments. It pays to rewatch the Swan Orientation video again. LOL!!!

I think we all got the Faraday thing. That man has a habit of disappearing, doesn't he? I bet he can do things that no one else can do...time jump anyone???

[yokogleeton]

The incident involves the EM at the Swan and our losties. I think you will see that the DI figure out they are not who they say they are and connect it. Perhaps that the incident is also when our 2007 friends finally make it back during those experiments. It pays to rewatch the Swan Orientation video again. LOL!!!

I think we all got the Faraday thing. That man has a habit of disappearing, doesn't he? I bet he can do things that no one else can do...time jump anyone???

You trying to say he's "special" too? Could he possibly make changes, or is that going to be left only to Desmond?

[Manxome Bazam]

I think we all got the Faraday thing. That man has a habit of disappearing, doesn't he? I bet he can do things that no one else can do...time jump anyone???


When I read "time jump" I imediately thought of this...


It's just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right
Put your hands on your hips
You bring your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrust
That really drives you insane
Let's do the time warp again!
Let's do the time warp again!

[notsolost42]

When I read "time jump" I imediately thought of this...


It's just a jump to the left
And then a step to the right
Put your hands on your hips
You bring your knees in tight
But it's the pelvic thrust
That really drives you insane
Let's do the time warp again!
Let's do the time warp again!

That's it!!!!! BTW....it's "insaaaaaaaa-yaaane" not insane!!! LOL!!! And as long as Dan stays away from the pelvic thrust I think we'll be okay!!!

[notsolost42]

You trying to say he's "special" too? Could he possibly make changes, or is that going to be left only to Desmond?

Yep, him and mommy dearest!!!!