Has anyone gone back and checked if....

[Erratic Pendulum]

Lafleur was/is one of the names on the uniforms in the purge grave? im sure this has been brought up b4 but i couldnt find it, so some of you; please dont crucify me lol. The main reason i ask is due to the obvious position of authority sawyer holds with the di, seems to me the only person he has to answer to is horace, and perhaps chang. Since horace died in the purge then that must mean either our losties died as well (loop?), they "went home" b4 the purge, or like daniel said, "what happened, happened"

thoughts?

[natego]

Lafleur was/is one of the names on the uniforms in the purge grave? im sure this has been brought up b4 but i couldnt find it, so some of you; please dont crucify me lol. The main reason i ask is due to the obvious position of authority sawyer holds with the di, seems to me the only person he has to answer to is horace, and perhaps chang. Since horace died in the purge then that must mean either our losties died as well (loop?), they "went home" b4 the purge, or like daniel said, "what happened, happened"

thoughts?

my guess is they go home during the Incident which occurs before the purge.

[notsolost42]

Obviously, they have to get back to their own time or else they couldn't be born, grow uo, get on a plane, crash on an island, turn a wheel, jump through time, join the DI, etc., etc., etc. It is a time loop. None of this could have possibly have happened if the wheel was not originally turned in 2004 for them to go back and do it. Yes, what happened, happens and that's what happened. How can anyone deny that turning the wheel that caused the time shifts didn't happed? I don't get that.

[rock-lobster]

Obviously, they have to get back to their own time or else they couldn't be born, grow uo, get on a plane, crash on an island, turn a wheel, jump through time, join the DI, etc., etc., etc.

why not? i agree that they almost definitely WILL go back to their time, but i also think it wouldn't be the end of the world if they didn't. as a matter of fact, jack is already born(gotta be older than 30), as is sawyer (he was 35 after the crash in '07, so he was already alive in '77). so i think it is possible that they could just live out their lives as normal without ever returning, assuming they never interact with their junior versions (which might cause some problems).

another thing that's interesting is, it would appear as though from late 2004 until 2007, jin, sawyer, etc didn't exist. is this correct?

[NoData]

Obviously, they have to get back to their own time or else they couldn't be born...Well Charlotte didn't get back, she's dead!

[notsolost42]

why not? i agree that they almost definitely WILL go back to their time, but i also think it wouldn't be the end of the world if they didn't. as a matter of fact, jack is already born(gotta be older than 30), as is sawyer (he was 35 after the crash in '07, so he was already alive in '77). so i think it is possible that they could just live out their lives as normal without ever returning, assuming they never interact with their junior versions (which might cause some problems).

another thing that's interesting is, it would appear as though from late 2004 until 2007, jin, sawyer, etc didn't exist. is this correct?

But if they were already born and live out there days with the DI on the island and the wheel never gets turned then it's a biforcation of time. Then it is not what happened. I don't get your idea of Jin and Sawyer not existing. What do you mean?

[Trumby]

I went back and looked at one of the scenes and the only name tag we see during the whole thing is Horace when John finds the blue prints, haven't checked the one when John is shot yet.

[NoData]

But if they were already born and live out there days with the DI on the island and the wheel never gets turned then it's a biforcation of time. Then it is not what happened. I don't get your idea of Jin and Sawyer not existing. What do you mean?There is no reason why their younger selves would not grow up to turn the wheel.

Edit: Remember there are two Sawyer's in 1977. Little-boy Sawyer back in the States, and grown-up-from-the-future Sawyer in the DI. Little-boy Sawyer will grow up to crash on Oceanic 815. Grown-up-from-the-future Sawyer has a future that we don't know yet. Maybe he goes to 2007, maybe not, but one thing is for sure: He knows about the Purge and is not likely to get caught up in it.

Edit 2: Also, if they do end up jumping back to 2007 to live out the rest of their lives, it will mean that during the years 2004-2007, Sawyer and Jin are nowhere to be found (because they are in the past). They do not exist in those years.

[chester]

why not?

I also don't see why they HAVE to go (flash) back to present time or 2004 in order to be born etc????

[chester]

But if they were already born and live out there days with the DI on the island and the wheel never gets turned then it's a biforcation of time. Then it is not what happened. I don't get your idea of Jin and Sawyer not existing. What do you mean?

But they're not living out "their days" on the island from birth just because their adult selves end up on the island with the DI '74, around when they might have been born. Their days, before they arrived at the DI have already been lived doing whatever they did.

Yes, unless one of the flashes took the leftbehinders to somewhere between 2004 - 2008 (when we saw them post Ajira bottle) they have not existed in that time frame yet.

[Erratic Pendulum]

Obviously, they have to get back to their own time or else they couldn't be born, grow uo, get on a plane, crash on an island, turn a wheel, jump through time, join the DI, etc., etc., etc. It is a time loop. None of this could have possibly have happened if the wheel was not originally turned in 2004 for them to go back and do it. Yes, what happened, happens and that's what happened. How can anyone deny that turning the wheel that caused the time shifts didn't happed? I don't get that.
See, what you believe is what I want to believe, but I remember the producers stating that there is not a time loop going on, and the show wont end in a time loop.. Who know's though, they have been known to renig on things from time to time.

[Erratic Pendulum]

Well Charlotte didn't get back, she's dead!
I dont think charlotte "died" per se,, I think that because her junior self ( as a little girl) was already alive on the island at the same time, the final flash took her away so there would be no conflicting situations. More then likely, imo, charlotte will go on living a never ending time loop ( which totally goes against whats been said by the producers). As always ,we'll have to wait and see.

[mkculpe]

Lafleur was/is one of the names on the uniforms in the purge grave? im sure this has been brought up b4 but i couldnt find it, so some of you; please dont crucify me lol. The main reason i ask is due to the obvious position of authority sawyer holds with the di, seems to me the only person he has to answer to is horace, and perhaps chang. Since horace died in the purge then that must mean either our losties died as well (loop?), they "went home" b4 the purge, or like daniel said, "what happened, happened"

thoughts?
I re-watched the episode to see if LaFleur was on any of the jumpsuits and didn't see it.