How does Richard Alpert travel to and from the island pre-Sub?

[Sticks]

This question might have been discussed before but i cant find any threads on here about it, so bear with me!

Ok so i was thinking today about the different venue's we have seen in which people can leave the island....

-the submarine Galaga

-the donkey wheel

We know that the others took over use of the sub sometime post-purge and most likley that was the way that Ethan, Richard and Tom left the island to do recruitments etc.... but who really brought the sub to the island originally? and when? lostpedia lists Galaga as being brought to the island by the DI, but could they be wrong?

1) could the sub have been brought to the island by the us military in the 1950's? and if so how did the DI ultimatley take control of the use of the sub? are the 'powers' behind the DI affiliated with the US Military?

2) if the sub was in fact brought there by the DI did the others somehow have access to it on occasion as part of the truce or something?

Locke told Richard in 1954, to come see him in 1956 when he was born. Richard also went to see Locke when he was a child in 1961. So if the sub was there did the Others have control of it during those times? or does Richard have some other mysterious way to leave the island and come back with ease and at will? A plane? or some trippy way having to do with the temple? If he used the donkey wheel (which at that time i believe he would have had to get to it through a tunnel,like the one christian came through) and the sub was not in the picture, how did he get back? Is he just unique in being able to come and go somehow? Did Mrs. Hawkings have something to do with it?

"An as of yet unidentified man was able to find the location of the Island in the 1960s (well before 1974, when the DI was well-established), by way of the Lamp Post station in Los Angeles -- as explained by Eloise Hawking. Located underneath a church, the Lamp Post harnessed the unique pocket of energy in that area and used it to find other similar pockets around the globe. Though this man was only interested in one specific area: the Island. Since the Island was always moving, the Lamp Post was integral in finding the Island's location. Within a few years' time, the location was uncovered, and a tiny commune was formed on the Island, called the DHARMA Initiative." lostpedia/dharma initiative/finding the island

Could the unidentified man have been Richard Alpert? And since 'Ellie' was on the island in 1954 then was she off island by the 60's or does she just know about the scenario because Richard told them when he got back? This also makes me wonder even more how and when Ellie/Eliose Hawkings left the island... was it at the same time as Widmore, did they turn the wheel together?! or did she leave before him by sub, DW or other mysterious way?ahhhh, my brain is exploding now.

if anyone has answers or theories about this subject please let me know!! im stewing over this and you all are so smart :)

[NoData]

No answers but one more question: When Ben sent Richard to get the Man from Tallahasee, wasn't it after the Swan had imploded? I seem to recall that communications were down, the beacon in the Looking Glass was down, and it was discussed on the show that if the sub left, it would not be able to find its way back. So... I guess I am repeating your question: How does Richard travel to and from the Island?

[Ace201x]

The DI probably has to do with the people Eloise referred to who used that calculation to find when/where the island was/is. They then went there to harness the power of the island like we saw a few episodes back when Cheng had the people drilling (creation of the Orchid I believe and the "donkey wheel").
As for how Richard travels through time/space...We know little about Richard that is concrete. We know he doesn't seem to age, he is old, very old, and may be the only "indigenous" person of the island, seeing as though the people he always is with we see do age (Ben, Widmore, Ethan, etc.).

Awesome questions, but impossible to fully answer I believe at this very moment.

[Sticks]

No answers but one more question: When Ben sent Richard to get the Man from Tallahasee, wasn't it after the Swan had imploded? I seem to recall that communications were down, the beacon in the Looking Glass was down, and it was discussed on the show that if the sub left, it would not be able to find its way back. So... I guess I am repeating your question: How does Richard travel to and from the Island?

Yes! you are right, the retrieval of the 'Man from Tallahassee', Anthony Cooper, was after the swan had empoloded. So essentially, if Ben was telling the truth (haha) then the sub wouldn't be able to find its way back. But you raised a great question that i hadn't thought of.... how and when did they bring Anthony Cooper back to the island? Obviously he told Richard, our illusive indigenous man, to go get him, so was Anthony already there from a previous sub voyage or did Richard seemingly go and 'retrieve' him instantaniously?

[Sticks]

The DI probably has to do with the people Eloise referred to who used that calculation to find when/where the island was/is. They then went there to harness the power of the island like we saw a few episodes back when Cheng had the people drilling (creation of the Orchid I believe and the "donkey wheel").
As for how Richard travels through time/space...We know little about Richard that is concrete. We know he doesn't seem to age, he is old, very old, and may be the only "indigenous" person of the island, seeing as though the people he always is with we see do age (Ben, Widmore, Ethan, etc.).

Awesome questions, but impossible to fully answer I believe at this very moment.

I agree that these questions are impossible to fully answer right now!

this also makes me wonder, was the donkey wheel always a donkey wheel or did someone put the wheel there, and who? the others or the DI? i lean towards the Others/Hostiles personally. IMO when the DI took over that part of the island they built the Orchid station around the DW area because of the obvious power Chang/DI found there, but did the DI ever really know about the wheel or turn it? Im not sure now! When Ben took Locke down to the Orchid station remember how he had to put inorganic items inside that capsule to get behind it to the actual location of the wheel. Im thinking that Chang was able to figure out how to harness the power and believed time travel was possible(with help from Faraday maybe?) and began doing experiments with the rabbits but did he ever see the DW? Didn't they stop drilling down there because of the danger? Maybe they never got to it. I def do not believe Chang ever turned the wheel because turning it moves the island and removes you from the island and Chang died in the purge.

omg, i think my eyes have gone cross!! haha thanks for the feedback!

[Simon Blackrock]

I know when they were drilling they stopped and the construction dude got cheng because their drill bits were burning out and a man got sick.tthey showed an image of the cavity and i think you could make out the wheel.

but cheng stopped the drilling, he was close enough for the station.
he definetly didnt make the donkey wheel.it is extremly old,probably far older than the egyptian hieroglyphs that are seen there. it is unmeasurable and its creators we have no idea, if they are gods or whatever.

the rest of the questions are very good ones. we havent seen the box yet that cooper was brought in apparently. when Ben blows up the capsule in the orchid station to get into the dk chamber John asks him if this is the box he referred to and Ben says no John this is not the box.so it depends on wether you trust bens word or not.

[DeathMag84]

I want to say that Cooper was brought there via "Magic Box", then again him being brought there by the sub on a previous trip is more believeable. But we are talking about Lost, so i don't think Ben was lying about the magic box, also how would "The Others" know that Locke was coming at that time to have Cooper ready for him when he showed up? Hopefully that makes sense and remember that Ben said Locke brought him (Cooper) to the island not them (The Others).

[Sticks]

I want to say that Cooper was brought there via "Magic Box", then again him being brought there by the sub on a previous trip is more believeable. But we are talking about Lost, so i don't think Ben was lying about the magic box, also how would "The Others" know that Locke was coming at that time to have Cooper ready for him when he showed up? Hopefully that makes sense and remember that Ben said Locke brought him (Cooper) to the island not them (The Others).

Thanks for your insight! :) I can never seem to put my finger on wether I believe the 'Magic Box' is metaphorical or not. I guess id like to think that it really is Magical. Anything is possible on Lost right? Maybe the 'Magic Box' has something to do with the way Richard gets on and off the island, is it a portal of some kind.. hmmm. as far as how Ben/the others would know to have Cooper maybe since Ben had done so much research on the survivors of 815, he knew he could use Cooper as some sort of a manipulation over Locke at some point. We often see how easy Locke falls for Ben's Doe eyes!! :) Anyways i was doing some research on that episode and it seems to me that Ben is A liar, always will be, he lied to Locke about being born on the island, 'being there his entire life', IMO ben could be using the metaphorical magic box to manipulate him once again. Not saying that this 'box' doesnt exist, but im not convinced that John somehow brought Cooper to the island, i think richard went and 'got' him , whatever that means, as a means to further manipulate Locke. Which brings me back to my original question.. how the frick does Richard get on and off that island, is he the only one who can do that and supossedly he can bring people with him, maybe even both ways, back and forth. anyways thanks for making the DW in my mind spin some more ;)

Here is all of the related dialog between Locke/Ben/Alpert in the episode
"the Man from Tallahassee" (i tried to go through and highlight the pertinent convo!)

BEN: Richard? Wait a minute.
TOM: I'll wait outside.
[Locke raises his gun warily. Tom leaves. Richard Alpert, his back to Locke, walks closer to Ben.]
BEN: I want you to bring me the man from Tallahassee.
[Locke narrows his eye, confused.]
ALPERT: What do you need him for?
BEN: Just do it. Now.
ALPERT: OK.
[Locke looks questioningly at Alex. Alpert leaves. Locke and Alex come out.]
LOCKE: [checking to make sure they've left] The man from Tallahassee? What is that? Some kind of code?
BEN: No, John, unfortunately we don't have a code for "There's a man in my closet with a gun to my daughter's head." Although we obviously should.
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BEN: What's in the pack, John? If you met Mikhail that means you were in the communications station. Which means you found the explosives. So you're not planning to pilot the submarine anywhere, are you? You're planning to destroy it. I know you, John Locke.
LOCKE: You don't know me at all.
BEN: I know you were born in California. I know you were raised in foster care. I know you wasted a big part of your life in Tustin, pushing papers at a company that manufactured industrial boxes. I know you spent the four years prior to your arrival on this island in a wheelchair. And I know how you ended up in it. Tell me, John. Did it hurt?
[The side of Locke's mouth twitches as he looks down at Ben.]
LOCKE: I felt my back break. What do you think?
______
BEN: It wasn't easy, you know. Being in that hatch with you all that time. Knowing you had no business walking around. Knowing I couldn't even ask you about it without telling you who I really was.
LOCKE: So ask me now. [closes the drapes] Now that I know who you really are.

BEN: [excitedly] Was it immediate? It started the moment you got here?
LOCKE: [smiling slightly] Yeah.
BEN: And you were just walking? The feeling returned right after the crash? That day?
LOCKE: That's what immediate means, Ben. You’re wondering why it hasn't happened for you. You're not recovering as fast as you'd like. How long has it been since Jack fixed you? A week? Now that I think about it, how'd you get sick in the first place?
BEN: Are you afraid it'll go away, John? Is that why you want to destroy the submarine? Because you know if you ever leave this island you'll be back in the chair?
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BEN: [rolls over to Locke] I was born on this island. Not many of my people can say that. Most of them were recruited and brought here and as much as they love this place, as much as they would do anything to defend it, they need to know they can leave if they want to. The sub maintains that illusion.
LOCKE: So you're lying to them?
BEN: [exasperated] No! They're here because they want to be here! Some of them are just not ready to make a full... commitment yet. But you, John... You've already made that commitment.
[Locke glances at Ben while holding a glass of water.]
BEN: And now you have a choice. Because if you stop and if you think, I can show you things. Things I know you want to see very badly. Let me put it so you'll understand. Picture a box. You know something about boxes, don't you, John? What if I told you that somewhere on this island, there's a very large box... and whatever you imagined, whatever you wanted to be in it, when you opened that box, there it would be. What would you say about that, John?
LOCKE: I'd say I hope that box is big enough to imagine yourself up a new submarine. [drinks the water]
BEN: [looking away and smiling slightly] Why are you so angry, John?
LOCKE: Because you're cheating! You and your people. [puts down his glass and walks around the room] Communicate with the outside world whenever you want to, you... you come and go as you please... you use electricity and running water and guns... You're a hypocrite! A pharisee. You don't deserve to be on this island. If you had any idea what this place really was... you wouldn't be putting chicken in your refrigerator!
[B]BEN: You've been here 80 days, John; I've been here my entire life! So how is it that you think you know this island better than I do?
LOCKE: Because you're in the wheelchair, and I'm not.
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BEN: John, before you go you should know--! [Locke turns] Jack and I made a deal. In less than an hour he's leaving this island on that submarine, and it's a one-way ticket. The anomaly wiped out our communications. We have no way of contacting the outside world. Which means when that sub leaves, it can never come back. So whether you destroy the submarine or whether you let it go, the end result is the same. No one will find this island.
LOCKE: [to Alex] Let's go. [he walks away with Alex, who glances back at Ben] Come on.
[They leave. Cut to outside the house.]
[U]ALEX: You know he's manipulating you, right?
LOCKE: How's that?
ALEX: That's what my father does. He manipulates people. He makes you think it's your idea, but it's his.
LOCKE: I'll have to keep that in mind.
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[Cut to Locke, handcuffed to an overhead pipe in a dark room. Ben and Alpert come into the room to talk to John.]
BEN: Well, John, you've really gone and done it now.
LOCKE: You don't have to pretend to be disappointed anymore. We both know you wanted it to happen. That's why you left the C-4 in Sayid's bag: because you wanted me to make it happen.
BEN: Uncuff him please, Richard.
[Alpert goes to release Locke.]
ALPERT: You going to do anything stupid?
LOCKE: No, sir.
[Alpert releases Locke.]
BEN: Do you remember earlier, John, when you called me a cheater? When you said I didn't deserve to live on this island? Well get this: there I was, shaking hands with Jack, and thinking I'd give almost anything to come up with a way to stop him from leaving... because to let him go would be a sign of weakness, of failure, of defeat. People would see that. They would know it. And that, John, would be the end of me. But to kill him... that would be cheating, because my people also heard me make a promise, and to break my word... that would be the end of me too. And then you came striding out of the jungle, John, to make my dream come true.
LOCKE: You're not going to start talking about the magic box again, are you?
BEN: No, John. I'm going to show you what came out of it.
[Alpert pulls Locke up. Ben wheels out of Locke's room, and Alpert forces Locke out and closes the door. Alpert wheels Ben down the hall, and Locke follows beside, rubbing his arm.]
BEN: When I asked you earlier if it hurt when you suffered your injury, I think you misunderstood me. Seems fairly obvious that when a person's back smashes into a hard surface after being thrown from a building, that that's going to sting a little. But I really wasn't asking about the physical pain.
LOCKE: What, do you want to know if it hurt my feelings?
BEN: No John. I wanted to know what it felt like when your own father tried to kill you.
[Alpert, Ben, and Locke stop moving.]
BEN: He's the reason you destroyed the submarine, isn't he? You're afraid. You're afraid of him and this is the one place he can never find you. This is the one place he can never get to.
LOCKE: What do you want from me?
BEN: I don't know how it happened, but you seem to have some communion with this island, John, and that makes you very, very important. You have no idea what you're talking about, of course, but in time you'll have a better understanding of things. So what do I want? I want to help you, John.
LOCKE: Why?
BEN: Because I'm in a wheelchair and you're not. Are you ready to see?
[Alpert opens the door to the cell. Locke cautiously looks inside of the room. Inside he sees Cooper, tied to a chair, gagged, and covered with cuts and bruises. He looks terrified.]
LOCKE: Dad?

[chester]

There is a similar thread Here: http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7678 which I have seen you've already noticed :)

[losttime]

No answers but one more question: When Ben sent Richard to get the Man from Tallahasee, wasn't it after the Swan had imploded? I seem to recall that communications were down, the beacon in the Looking Glass was down, and it was discussed on the show that if the sub left, it would not be able to find its way back. So... I guess I am repeating your question: How does Richard travel to and from the Island?

I believe the communication station was either at the looking glass station or the flame where Mikhail was living and where Ben brought Juliet to show her her sister was still alive and had her baby. The only thing i am not sure of was the Flame destroyed by Locke at that point yet. I know Ben was talking to Richard in person when he said he wanted the man from Tallahassee.

[Sticks]

I know when they were drilling they stopped and the construction dude got cheng because their drill bits were burning out and a man got sick.tthey showed an image of the cavity and i think you could make out the wheel.

but cheng stopped the drilling, he was close enough for the station.
he definetly didnt make the donkey wheel.it is extremly old,probably far older than the egyptian hieroglyphs that are seen there. it is unmeasurable and its creators we have no idea, if they are gods or whatever.

the rest of the questions are very good ones. we havent seen the box yet that cooper was brought in apparently. when Ben blows up the capsule in the orchid station to get into the dk chamber John asks him if this is the box he referred to and Ben says no John this is not the box.so it depends on wether you trust bens word or not.

I agree completely that Chang did not make the Donkey Wheel, I think you might be right about some ancient culture having to do with it! Thanks for the inspiration/input re: the magic box and i had forgotten that Ben told Locke that! could he have been lying then, who knows?! I dont trust Ben as far as i can throw him! but he is useful and knowledgeable at times. I think Ben tells the truth when it benefits him and his agenda, otherwise its a craps shoot.

[islander]

In 1954 Locke asked Richard how to leave the island, and Richard said that was "priviledged" information (or something like that) and didn't answer his question.

LOL..that doesn't answer your question either.

I think Richard was referring to the sub. I think the sub was used by the DI and if I had to guess, Alvar Hanso supplied the sub for the DI to use. As far as I know there are no other ways off the island. Tom Friendly and some of the Others also left the island in addition to Richard and probably Ben, and the sub apparently did not result in major time dislocations since Richard was able to go to a specific point in time to see Locke's birth in 1956.

[alicat]

This question might have been discussed before but i cant find any threads on here about it, so bear with me!

Ok so i was thinking today about the different venue's we have seen in which people can leave the island....

-the submarine Galaga

-the donkey wheel

We know that the others took over use of the sub sometime post-purge and most likley that was the way that Ethan, Richard and Tom left the island to do recruitments etc.... but who really brought the sub to the island originally? and when? lostpedia lists Galaga as being brought to the island by the DI, but could they be wrong?

1) could the sub have been brought to the island by the us military in the 1950's? and if so how did the DI ultimatley take control of the use of the sub? are the 'powers' behind the DI affiliated with the US Military?

2) if the sub was in fact brought there by the DI did the others somehow have access to it on occasion as part of the truce or something?

Locke told Richard in 1954, to come see him in 1956 when he was born. Richard also went to see Locke when he was a child in 1961. So if the sub was there did the Others have control of it during those times? or does Richard have some other mysterious way to leave the island and come back with ease and at will? A plane? or some trippy way having to do with the temple? If he used the donkey wheel (which at that time i believe he would have had to get to it through a tunnel,like the one christian came through) and the sub was not in the picture, how did he get back? Is he just unique in being able to come and go somehow? Did Mrs. Hawkings have something to do with it?

"An as of yet unidentified man was able to find the location of the Island in the 1960s (well before 1974, when the DI was well-established), by way of the Lamp Post station in Los Angeles -- as explained by Eloise Hawking. Located underneath a church, the Lamp Post harnessed the unique pocket of energy in that area and used it to find other similar pockets around the globe. Though this man was only interested in one specific area: the Island. Since the Island was always moving, the Lamp Post was integral in finding the Island's location. Within a few years' time, the location was uncovered, and a tiny commune was formed on the Island, called the DHARMA Initiative." lostpedia/dharma initiative/finding the island

Could the unidentified man have been Richard Alpert? And since 'Ellie' was on the island in 1954 then was she off island by the 60's or does she just know about the scenario because Richard told them when he got back? This also makes me wonder even more how and when Ellie/Eliose Hawkings left the island... was it at the same time as Widmore, did they turn the wheel together?! or did she leave before him by sub, DW or other mysterious way?ahhhh, my brain is exploding now.

if anyone has answers or theories about this subject please let me know!! im stewing over this and you all are so smart :)

Great question! I have no idea. But like others have said, I think the sub was not there until the DI comes to the island. Therefore, he has to have some way of traveling on and off the island. If we assume that he used the donkey wheel pre-sub, then there has to be another donkey wheel like device that allows one to return...I think Widmore may have left by turning the wheel, and that's only because he knew where the wheel spit people out at... Now you have my brain exploding as well!

[Sticks]

In 1954 Locke asked Richard how to leave the island, and Richard said that was "priviledged" information (or something like that) and didn't answer his question.

LOL..that doesn't answer your question either.

I think Richard was referring to the sub. I think the sub was used by the DI and if I had to guess, Alvar Hanso supplied the sub for the DI to use. As far as I know there are no other ways off the island. Tom Friendly and some of the Others also left the island in addition to Richard and probably Ben, and the sub apparently did not result in major time dislocations since Richard was able to go to a specific point in time to see Locke's birth in 1956.

ooooh! thanks for the 'privileged' tidbit. i had forgotten that too. So, islander, let's say he was referring to the sub then the sub would have been there in 1956 and Alpert could have used it to come visit Locke. So who originally brought the sub, was it indeed the US government or did Hanso send it and the Others took it over? but then the question still remains how did the DI come to have control over it in the future? i believe the DI didn't come to the Island till the late 60's at earliest right? because its been said that the DI was founded in 1970. If Hanso was the man who found island in the 60's like Mrs. Hawkings said he might have been affiliated or working with the US Gov. to actually GET TO the island. hmmmm. IMO, i think Im going to stick with Richard having an ability or have some kind of access to a portal on the island- i think Richard IS 'privileged' possibly the only one privileged in that way? also i think that maybe Richard didn't pick to go to june 1956, i think he waited till it was actually 1956 (cause wasnt islandtime and realworld time at that point linked up?idk) and then went and found Locke. It makes me wonder.... IF Richard can travel on and off the island at will via some mysterious way, can he time travel to any time he wants or is it limited somehow?! Well thanks again for all the feedback everyone! I know that maybe this isnt the most pertinent subject but we have to pass the time to next week somehow ;)

[islander]

ooooh! thanks for the 'privileged' tidbit. i had forgotten that too. So, islander, let's say he was referring to the sub then the sub would have been there in 1956 and Alpert could have used it to come visit Locke. So who originally brought the sub, was it indeed the US government or did Hanso send it and the Others took it over? but then the question still remains how did the DI come to have control over it in the future? i believe the DI didn't come to the Island till the late 60's at earliest right? because its been said that the DI was founded in 1970. If Hanso was the man who found island in the 60's like Mrs. Hawkings said he might have been affiliated or working with the US Gov. to actually GET TO the island. hmmmm. IMO, i think Im going to stick with Richard having an ability or have some kind of access to a portal on the island- i think Richard IS 'privileged' possibly the only one privileged in that way? also i think that maybe Richard didn't pick to go to june 1956, i think he waited till it was actually 1956 (cause wasnt islandtime and realworld time at that point linked up?idk) and then went and found Locke. It makes me wonder.... IF Richard can travel on and off the island at will via some mysterious way, can he time travel to any time he wants or is it limited somehow?! Well thanks again for all the feedback everyone! I know that maybe this isnt the most pertinent subject but we have to pass the time to next week somehow ;)

Now I need to open another bottle of wine with all these questions. :eek:

This from Lostpedia: The interior shots of the submarine were filmed on the USS Bowfin (SS-287) which is located near the Arizona Memorial. [1][2] The Bowfin is a Balao-class submarine constructed in 1942. The interior is very similar to US Gato-class submarines from the same period.

Alvar Hanso was supposedly a munitions expert that assisted NATO and presumably the US Gov't in the 1940s so I think he's behind Jughead's presence on the island and the sub. So he used the sub in the early 1950s, and he funded the DI so then they got the sub.

Obviously Richard has been there longer but his history is a mystery. I think the Temple could supply some of the answers, but who knows? He could have used the sub in 1956, but I don't see Richard as a "sub kind of guy". I like your portal theory better.

[DeathMag84]

Sticks i give it to you, you do your homework. But i'm still going to say that there is indeed "A Magic Box" somewhere on the island and John Locke is so important to this island that i would believe that the island was testing him when Poppa popped-up out of nowhere. Not to mention the episode or 2 after that Locke asked how he (Cooper) got there and Ben replied "I don't know, you brought him here". Also Ben: "You've been here 80 days John; I've been here my entire life, so how is it that you think you know this island better than i do?
John: Because you're in the wheelchair, and i'm not.
I don't know what i was trying to prove by repeating some of the transcript only that it serves little proof that Locke is important and he'll be the savior of the losties (i think at least).

[otherhater]

maybe the helicopter making the food drops also picked up alpert back in the day

[LOSTintheFlood]

I want to say that Cooper was brought there via "Magic Box", then again him being brought there by the sub on a previous trip is more believeable. But we are talking about Lost, so i don't think Ben was lying about the magic box, also how would "The Others" know that Locke was coming at that time to have Cooper ready for him when he showed up? Hopefully that makes sense and remember that Ben said Locke brought him (Cooper) to the island not them (The Others).

The Magic Box is a "metaphor" for the island. For those who believe in the islands power the island brings forth things that wish and desire.
The ability to walk, A spinal surgeon, Freedom, and in the case of the 'Man from Tallahassee", Anthony Cooper

[Sticks]

Sticks i give it to you, you do your homework. But i'm still going to say that there is indeed "A Magic Box" somewhere on the island and John Locke is so important to this island that i would believe that the island was testing him when Poppa popped-up out of nowhere. Not to mention the episode or 2 after that Locke asked how he (Cooper) got there and Ben replied "I don't know, you brought him here". Also Ben: "You've been here 80 days John; I've been here my entire life, so how is it that you think you know this island better than i do?
John: Because you're in the wheelchair, and i'm not.
I don't know what i was trying to prove by repeating some of the transcript only that it serves little proof that Locke is important and he'll be the savior of the losties (i think at least).

Thanks! i've always liked homework :) i started a thread on what i found about the 'magic box' cause i think it is a fun topic to discuss and i also think my fav charachter, Richard Alpert has something to do with it. I was reading over the transcripts for 'The Brig' and i found this lil' tidbit of dialog that intreauged me...

SAWYER: [Inaudible, sounds like “Your his...”] How did you get here, to the Island?

COOPER: Island? OK. I'm driving down I10 through Tallahassee when bam, somebody slams into the back of my car. I go right into the divider at seventy miles an hour, the next thing I know, the paramedics are strapping me to a gurney, stuffing me into the back of an ambulance and one of them actually smiles at me as he pops the IV in my arm. And then, nothing. Just, black. And the next thing I know I wake up in a dark room tied up, gag in my mouth, and when the door opens, I'm looking up at the same man I threw out a window, John Locke. My dead son.

Did Richard have had something to do with this phase of the retrieval? Could he have been the Paramedic who smiled at him? Maybe he can transport/teleport himself to and from the island? The obviously knocked him out for the transport much like the 'recruits' on the sub...

hmmm, this all is still fresh in my mind and i def will think about it more and elaborate on my theories but id love to bounce this off you guys first!!! :)

tell me your opinions!

[DeathMag84]

The Magic Box is a "metaphor" for the island. For those who believe in the islands power the island brings forth things that wish and desire.
The ability to walk, A spinal surgeon, Freedom, and in the case of the 'Man from Tallahassee", Anthony Cooper
Yeah, yeah, yeah....