14j

[5starboss]

The code was mentioned on the last episode and intrigued me since it sounded like an MOS. 14J is more than a random code. I've also wondered what other codes the DI have. Is there a 1J, 2J, 3J, 4J...
__________________________________________________ ______________

1st, in the phonetic alphabet, J is juilette. ( Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta....)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/14_J
The early warning system, presumably created by the DHARMA Initiative, warns the residents of the Barracks via an automated telephone call that consists of a woman's voice repeating "Code 14-J". The system is activated when a panic code is entered to disengage the sonar fence.

"14-J" was the DHARMA Initiative code for trespass of a Hostile on DHARMA Initiative territory, in violation of the truce. ("Namaste")

Alex activated the early warning system after being kidnapped by Martin Keamy and the mercenary team. Forced at gunpoint to deactivate the fence, she entered the panic code 1623, initiating the warning phone call at Ben's house in the Barracks. ("The Shape of Things to Come")







http://www.us-army-info.com/pages/mos/air-defense/14j.html

MOS ( military occupation specialty) in the Army, it's Air Defense Tactical Operations Center Operator/Maintainer, or Air Defense Command, Control. Communications, Computers and Intelligence Tactical OperatIons Center Enhanced Operator/Maintainer - its part of a field artillery team. They primarily serve as a member of an early warning team.

[natego]

EXCELLENT!!

Does this show that Dharma is actually perhaps a U.S Gov't project then??? Would be pretty hollywood-like if LOST ended with a reveal of a Gov't conspiracy.

[ortrules]

A few people, myself included, have felt like Dharma was more than just a team of scientists. With the amount of weaponry they had, an entire station dedicated to defense against hostiles, and a few other clues, it seems that Dharma may have had a military presence.

Also, I believe that Alvar Hanso was revealed to be a weapons dealer in one of the Lost games.

[beachblinkette]

J also stands for Jack, Jacob, John, Jeremy and Jin :) Does that make it more complicated? Juliet is the only female of the J's that I can think of.

[5starboss]

J also stands for Jack, Jacob, John, Jeremy and Jin :) Does that make it more complicated? Juliet is the only female of the J's that I can think of.

Letter 1957-Present Morse Code 1913 1927 1938 World War II
A Alfa (or Alpha) . _ Able Affirmative Afirm Afirm (Able)
B Bravo _ . . . Boy Baker Baker Baker
C Charlie _ . _ . Cast Cast Cast Charlie
D Delta _ . . Dog Dog Dog Dog
E Echo . Easy Easy Easy Easy
F Foxtrot . . _ . Fox Fox Fox Fox
G Golf _ _ . George George George George
H Hotel . . . . Have Hypo Hypo How
I India . . Item Interrogatory Int Int (Item)
J Juliett . _ _ _ Jig Jig Jig Jig
K Kilo _ . _ King King King King
L Lima . _ . . Love Love Love Love
M Mike _ _ Mike Mike Mike Mike
N November _ . Nan Negative Negat Negat (Nan)
O Oscar _ _ _ Oboe Option Option Option (Oboe)
P Papa . _ _ . Pup Preparatory Prep Prep (Peter)
Q Quebec _ _ . _ Quack Quack Queen Queen
R Romeo . _ . Rush Roger Roger Roger
S Sierra . . . Sail Sail Sail Sugar
T Tango _ Tare Tare Tare Tare
U Uniform . . _ Unit Unit Unit Uncle
V Victor . . . _ Vice Vice Victor Victor
W Whiskey . _ _ Watch William William William
X X-ray _ . . _ X-ray X-ray X-ray X-ray
Y Yankee _ . _ _ Yoke Yoke Yoke Yoke
Z Zulu _ _ . . Zed Zed Zed Zebra

[Fish Cracker]

I highly doubt that a 14J has any more affiliation with an MOS than the one coincidental line. More likely, there are Codes 1-14, with alpha values assigned at least up to J in all of them, each one indicating a different security situation. Perhaps the number refers to the location and the alpha character represents the situation, i.e.

Code 1A - the Swan is under attack
Code 1B - the Swan has a power loss
... Code 1J - hostile found at the Swan

All the way to 14, which may indicate the barracks, making Code 14J what it is.

This still implies more militaristic structure to Dharma than what we normally see, with long-haired hippies running around conducting tests, so I like it. Maybe it's still US gov't affiliated, but the MOS stuff is doubtful.

[5starboss]

I highly doubt that a 14J has any more affiliation with an MOS than the one coincidental line. ....

1 is better than none! and I found it! whoo hoooo:)

I was an 11B, how bout you FC?

[notsolost42]

The code was mentioned on the last episode and intrigued me since it sounded like an MOS. 14J is more than a random code. I've also wondered what other codes the DI have. Is there a 1J, 2J, 3J, 4J...
__________________________________________________ ______________

1st, in the phonetic alphabet, J is juilette. ( Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta....)

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/14_J
The early warning system, presumably created by the DHARMA Initiative, warns the residents of the Barracks via an automated telephone call that consists of a woman's voice repeating "Code 14-J". The system is activated when a panic code is entered to disengage the sonar fence.

"14-J" was the DHARMA Initiative code for trespass of a Hostile on DHARMA Initiative territory, in violation of the truce. ("Namaste")

Alex activated the early warning system after being kidnapped by Martin Keamy and the mercenary team. Forced at gunpoint to deactivate the fence, she entered the panic code 1623, initiating the warning phone call at Ben's house in the Barracks. ("The Shape of Things to Come")







http://www.us-army-info.com/pages/mos/air-defense/14j.html

MOS ( military occupation specialty) in the Army, it's Air Defense Tactical Operations Center Operator/Maintainer, or Air Defense Command, Control. Communications, Computers and Intelligence Tactical OperatIons Center Enhanced Operator/Maintainer - its part of a field artillery team. They primarily serve as a member of an early warning team.

Have I not said that the DI is a coverup for a military operation? Why, yes I did! It makes perfect sense. Thanks 5Star!

[notsolost42]

Letter 1957-Present Morse Code 1913 1927 1938 World War II
A Alfa (or Alpha) . _ Able Affirmative Afirm Afirm (Able)
B Bravo _ . . . Boy Baker Baker Baker
C Charlie _ . _ . Cast Cast Cast Charlie
D Delta _ . . Dog Dog Dog Dog
E Echo . Easy Easy Easy Easy
F Foxtrot . . _ . Fox Fox Fox Fox
G Golf _ _ . George George George George
H Hotel . . . . Have Hypo Hypo How
I India . . Item Interrogatory Int Int (Item)
J Juliett . _ _ _ Jig Jig Jig Jig
K Kilo _ . _ King King King King
L Lima . _ . . Love Love Love Love
M Mike _ _ Mike Mike Mike Mike
N November _ . Nan Negative Negat Negat (Nan)
O Oscar _ _ _ Oboe Option Option Option (Oboe)
P Papa . _ _ . Pup Preparatory Prep Prep (Peter)
Q Quebec _ _ . _ Quack Quack Queen Queen
R Romeo . _ . Rush Roger Roger Roger
S Sierra . . . Sail Sail Sail Sugar
T Tango _ Tare Tare Tare Tare
U Uniform . . _ Unit Unit Unit Uncle
V Victor . . . _ Vice Vice Victor Victor
W Whiskey . _ _ Watch William William William
X X-ray _ . . _ X-ray X-ray X-ray X-ray
Y Yankee _ . _ _ Yoke Yoke Yoke Yoke
Z Zulu _ _ . . Zed Zed Zed Zebra

Oh geez, do I know that well!!!! You are bringing back my PD dispatch days!!! S14, I will never forget that alphabet! The "S" means signal. I wonder how you say signal in Latin? Might be worth a quick check to see if it starts with the letter "J."

[Fish Cracker]

1 is better than none! and I found it! whoo hoooo:)

I was an 11B, how bout you FC?

I'm not in the army, but military police for the AF.

Notso, have you or anyone else noticed any other militaristic links Dharma might possess? We know that they have arms, defenses, codes for security situations, but have we ever seen a rank structure or anything else that supports the theory of them possibly being linked to a country's military?

[InTheBeginning]

For what it's worth a US Army J 14 MOS is an Early Warning System Operator

http://www.us-army-info.com/pages/mos/air-defense/14j.html

Found this too

http://www.lost.com/code14j.shtml

We've heard this code before?

[notsolost42]

I'm not in the army, but military police for the AF.

Notso, have you or anyone else noticed any other militaristic links Dharma might possess? We know that they have arms, defenses, codes for security situations, but have we ever seen a rank structure or anything else that supports the theory of them possibly being linked to a country's military?

I see it this way. We know that Alvar Hanso, the founder of Hanso and Dharma, was a purveyor of arms during WWII and then dealt in high tech arms for NATO. So, obviously he has big time military connections. With that in mind it is not a far stretch to think that the organization he sets up, the Dharma Iniciative, is a militaristic organization. I think it may have actually been a coverup for a military operation. We have seen that the U.S. military was somehow involved with the island by the fact that there were soldiers present on the island as well as the military photograph of the island that Mrs. Hawking had. Perhaps Alvar started his own military force to keep the island secure. Perhaps that was the intent of the DI and it also included the science and research into the islands anomaly. Alvar has known of the island for a very long time. I don't think we can dispute that. He is the great grandson of Magnus Hanso who is buried by the Black Rock, according to Radzinsky's map. So, military presense? Oh yes, and big time! Didn't the processing center remind anyone of the old time military processing centers? The hippie cover is brilliant! And now, we may see a little halucinagenics tonight with Sayid. Hope I didn't blow a spoiler. The military/government did many secret experiments with LSD in the early years. Yet another possible link for you.

[Fish Cracker]

I like it, man, good stuff. But what kind of conclusion does this bring us to? The DI is linked to the Valenzetti equation, too, right? Maybe they're trying to harness the island's powers of world destruction.

[notsolost42]

I like it, man, good stuff. But what kind of conclusion does this bring us to? The DI is linked to the Valenzetti equation, too, right? Maybe they're trying to harness the island's powers of world destruction.

The Valenzetti equation supposedly tells us when mankind will become extinct, right? The point was to change one of the numbers in the equation and save the world? What if that was all a bunch of horse manure. What if the numbers were simply the coordinates of where the island was in the multidimensional universe it travels? The same numbers were both broadcast to the island and then used to enter into the computer in the Swan after the incident. My thoughts are that the incident accidentally uncovered, or unleashed, the dual universe and sent the island traveling! The numbers are nothing more than coordinates that kept it teathered in spacetime. If the island does not remain on these coordinates, well, time travel is rampant and uncontrolable. The island is teathered in spacetime and will not self destruct in the matter anti-matter dual universe. The Valenzetti equation includes something about a virus according to the first lost game, and it is not canon to the show. We have not heard any mention of a virus, but only a "fake" quarantine. Meant to keep people in the hatch pushing the button? Probably so.

[LincolnEcho06]

I see the connection to old military codes and what not. I don't think the number correlates to the LOST numbers or the Valenzetti equation or the LOST version of bingo; battleship perhaps.

On a hunch, I thought about maps. I googled 14J maps and it took me to Jefferson, Oregon. In season 3, the episode of "the man behind the curtain" we learn about Ben's past. When Ben was born, we saw a sign 15 miles or so to Portland, Oregon. Could it be that 14J, Jefferson, Oregon, is Ben's home or plays some significance to the DHARMA initiative? The map itself appears to be mostly farm-land and there is a high school it looks like. Didn't Juliette leave from Oregon as well, even though I believe she wanted to be in Miami with her sister? The google search of 14J maps also brought up an airport, Carl Folsom, in Elba, Alabama (I like my first find). According to mapquest, Portland and Jefferson are about 63 miles apart.

[when am i?]

Exactly how did Sayyid trigger the alarm,or was it Radzinski who triggered it after seeing Sayyid?

[boutte]

It seems to ne that if the Di were a military organization that they would have dispatched the hostiles pretty quickly. if they were affilitated with the US military they would have brought in Special Forces and ilimunated the threat.

In '77 DI clearly fears the hostiles.

[Panda]

Have I not said that the DI is a coverup for a military operation? Why, yes I did! It makes perfect sense. Thanks 5Star!

It might be right.

There is an episode that has the name. Trisha Tanaka Is dead.

In the Lost Pedia....you find only info that doesn't fit into Lost.
But Trisha is sometimes also the way they call someone who has the full name Patricia.
Patricia Tanaka is the name of a Associate Producer of a documentary with the title

Spy amongst Us made in 1999

Synopsis:
Documentary that reveals information about Soviet espionage in America. In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, new evidence suggests that Soviet spies may have infiltrated American Institutions, including the Office of Secret Services, the Los Alamos nuclear lab, the State Department and the U.S. Congress.

If you google on Patricia Tanaka and Spy Among us....you may bump as well into a link to a pdf on the next website.

http://www.new.ans.org/

So what does this say?

[notsolost42]

I see the connection to old military codes and what not. I don't think the number correlates to the LOST numbers or the Valenzetti equation or the LOST version of bingo; battleship perhaps.

On a hunch, I thought about maps. I googled 14J maps and it took me to Jefferson, Oregon. In season 3, the episode of "the man behind the curtain" we learn about Ben's past. When Ben was born, we saw a sign 15 miles or so to Portland, Oregon. Could it be that 14J, Jefferson, Oregon, is Ben's home or plays some significance to the DHARMA initiative? The map itself appears to be mostly farm-land and there is a high school it looks like. Didn't Juliette leave from Oregon as well, even though I believe she wanted to be in Miami with her sister? The google search of 14J maps also brought up an airport, Carl Folsom, in Elba, Alabama (I like my first find). According to mapquest, Portland and Jefferson are about 63 miles apart.

That's a great connection! Mittelos Labs is also in Portland! Mittelos and Richard Alpert and Ethan Rom, etc., etc., etc.!!!! Nice job!!!! I wonder if the infamous Thomas Mittelwerk has something to do with Mittelos Labs also? I know he is from the game but he was involved with this virus thing. He was a bady who kidnapped Alvar and tried to bring down Hanso Foundation. Sometimes there are these loose connections to the game. They may not be canon but they do tend to fill in some blanks along the way. You know, extra details.

[notsolost42]

It might be right.

There is an episode that has the name. Trisha Tanaka Is dead.

In the Lost Pedia....you find only info that doesn't fit into Lost.
But Trisha is sometimes also the way they call someone who has the full name Patricia.
Patricia Tanaka is the name of a Associate Producer of a documentary with the title

Spy amongst Us made in 1999

Synopsis:
Documentary that reveals information about Soviet espionage in America. In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, new evidence suggests that Soviet spies may have infiltrated American Institutions, including the Office of Secret Services, the Los Alamos nuclear lab, the State Department and the U.S. Congress.

If you google on Patricia Tanaka and Spy Among us....you may bump as well into a link to a pdf on the next website.

http://www.new.ans.org/

So what does this say?

Panda, a great find about Patricia Tanaka!!!! I like it and how it does fit this military, cold war, h-bomb kind of theme. Nice work!

[Panda]

And what about Tanaka Memorial?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanaka_Memorial

Enjoy the reading. And come up with a nice theory.

[lostlindy]

Check this out. Something to ponder. Jacobs Ladder......Saw the movie and it's a mindbender. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob's_Ladder_(film)

[mnm4334]

@the idea that Jack is Jacob

I could see that happening, but I dont think it will, because the writers knew the ending from the start and Jack was supposed to die in the pilot.

[scottie D]

Wow amazing finds. This is my first posts onboard here. I've been watching since season 3 and got caught up on the first two. I am starting to think with tonight's episode, and your find on the forged Japanese document, perhaps we are witnessing a parallel in the characters roles as to WWII into he cold war. The biggest piece of the puzzle is Ben. We still don't know what he wants. Not to seem outrageous but..... is he the shows Hitler? A man who defected from his country (the DI) to rule another (the others) and damn near destroy the world. And survives being shot in his younger days! It seems as if Ben may be nothing less. Hear me out. With this idea in tact, that means the true 'good guys,' if this series has any, are yet to be determined. Im hesitant on Charles... as perhaps he is the Japanese role in the war? He would've assumed murder everyone too so their is no way he is the hero. Perhaps the purge is the shows Pearl Harbor, allowed to happen by the DI's ruler.... Who is running the DI? Who really is behind Hanso, et al. Do we know truthfully? And the coming previews are about alliances and choices made for which side the O6 choose. The scientists are the same as they were in the war also. Daniel is going against his beliefs and life's work as Einstein did, and it appears he may be the one giving one side the upper hand with whatever the heck he is off doing, what we saw in the season opener. Is it me or did he have a disguise and some explosives... need to watch it again. The reverse could be true... Charles bein the true evil one. I am gonna sort through some old stuff from the websites and compiled info. Hopefully I got one theory across. That is all I have now. Hopefully not too crackpot. Any opinions?

[Panda]

Something that I would like to share and add to this topic.

If you compare the "Island maps" to places on earth.....it looks like Korea to me.

There is a lot of info on the web about the Korean war.

But I would like give you some links that I think are interesting to read.

http://www.archive.org/stream/accountingforpow00unit/accountingforpow00unit_djvu.txt

It is a lot I know. But you find out about brainwashing, using drugs on prisoners, using prisoners as "inflitrants".

There was an operation "come back" after the truce was made.

So it could be that our losties experience different parts of events that took place in the Korean war.

Our Losties are also connected in less than 6 steps to each other and the Korean War.....and this war is technically not finished yet.

Lafleur?
http://www.louisianakc.org/fr__fafleur.htm

http://www.koreanwar.org/html/comm.cfm?com_url=2004_kccf1_search_combined_result s

But I have to admit, that you can connect any name and any event of any time in human history within 06 steps to "Lost".

So this is certainly not surely the answer to all the questions

[5starboss]

Exactly how did Sayyid trigger the alarm,or was it Radzinski who triggered it after seeing Sayyid?

Sayid unknowingly triggered an alarm and apparently it must be RADzinsky's job (in the flame) to 1st identify , like an early warning system operator the reason it tripped. as soon as it sounded, he said "its a 14j" to JIN.

the only other time we've heard 14j is the automated voice on the telephone in Bens house saying 14j, 14j, 14j..... This is when Keamy forced Alex to shut down the Sonar fence and she obviously knew a code that would both shut it down safely and send an early warning to the Barracks.

[Panda]

On lostpedia they mention the Sixth United States Army.
and of course a link to the wiki pages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_United_States_Army

In this article the words "island hopping operations" may be connected to lost?

and what about "abandoned" forts of the US army trough time on several places in the world?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Sherman This is one example. But take a look at the pictures. Looks pretty lost and abandoned.

Shrink them to one place and make all events happen hopping around in time, and sure everybody gets lost.

[TuesdaySmith]

But I have to admit, that you can connect any name and any event of any time in human history within 06 steps to "Lost".

Seriously! There's so many connections.

I think that's one of the "bigger picture" points of the show, one that can relate to real life.. the whole Small World thing.

[Panda]

Seriously! There's so many connections.

I think that's one of the "bigger picture" points of the show, one that can relate to real life.. the whole Small World thing.

The world indeed is a small place. And for as far as I know still the best planet in the universe to live on. But for some reason people don't get it and ruin the planet because they "fear" "others".
And yes in 6 steps you can connect yourself to any other person in the world.
That is why it is so strange that people still using words as "hostiles", "others" etc..;
There are different animals and plants; but there is only one human race...

Now if you can get into 6 steps to anyone else in the world, which step is it that makes the last one in the chain to be "an other" or "hostile"?

I always wondered. Who was the first to spread fear? Or how was fear ever created?
Fear of being alone? Fear of being all-one?
I really don't know answers.
I can produce as many questions as the lost writes that is sure...;)

[natego]

And what about Tanaka Memorial?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanaka_Memorial

Enjoy the reading. And come up with a nice theory.

Best I can see is that the Tricia Tanaka name was maybe a clue that the story is related to WWII (a la jughead).. not sure if it holds any deeper relation..

[Panda]

Best I can see is that the Tricia Tanaka name was maybe a clue that the story is related to WWII (a la jughead).. not sure if it holds any deeper relation..

I have to admit that I don't know either if there is a deeper clue.

[TuesdaySmith]

The world indeed is a small place. And for as far as I know still the best planet in the universe to live on. But for some reason people don't get it and ruin the planet because they "fear" "others".
And yes in 6 steps you can connect yourself to any other person in the world.
That is why it is so strange that people still using words as "hostiles", "others" etc..;
There are different animals and plants; but there is only one human race...

Now if you can get into 6 steps to anyone else in the world, which step is it that makes the last one in the chain to be "an other" or "hostile"?

I always wondered. Who was the first to spread fear? Or how was fear ever created?
Fear of being alone? Fear of being all-one?
I really don't know answers.
I can produce as many questions as the lost writes that is sure...;)

Deep Thoughts.. by Panda!

Maybe the whole point of the show is to illustrate that (in real life) there are no Others.. we're all the same.. it's all in perception, like we're talking about on another thread.. maybe it's Damon or Carlton on the statue!

Fear is a crazy thing though.. it goes from wars (on large or small scales) to microchip implants for security to basic fight or flight instincts. I don't know where it starts or where it ends.. I don't think it does either one really.

[yokogleeton]

The Valenzetti equation supposedly tells us when mankind will become extinct, right? The point was to change one of the numbers in the equation and save the world? What if that was all a bunch of horse manure. What if the numbers were simply the coordinates of where the island was in the multidimensional universe it travels? The same numbers were both broadcast to the island and then used to enter into the computer in the Swan after the incident. My thoughts are that the incident accidentally uncovered, or unleashed, the dual universe and sent the island traveling! The numbers are nothing more than coordinates that kept it teathered in spacetime. If the island does not remain on these coordinates, well, time travel is rampant and uncontrolable. The island is teathered in spacetime and will not self destruct in the matter anti-matter dual universe. The Valenzetti equation includes something about a virus according to the first lost game, and it is not canon to the show. We have not heard any mention of a virus, but only a "fake" quarantine. Meant to keep people in the hatch pushing the button? Probably so.

So you reminded us that Hanzo was a purveyor of arms. What if he still is? Now that we are in the nuclear age, and age where devices like "jughead" exist, what if the Valenzetti equation theory is correct? what you have is a group with the firepower to destroy the world, attempting to figure out how to manipulate an equation that, if successful, would allow them to change the end of the world.

So after mastering the Valenzetti equation and determining how to manipulate it's factors instead of a having nations or groups lead by people with the thought in the back of their minds "if i release the nuclear capabilities then i could doom the world..." you now have a leader who can think "i can launch whatever i want, whenever i want, and i have the means to keep the total release of nuclear weapons from destroying the world...ergo the world is mine"

...that's tantamount to absolute power wouldn't you say? and it open the door to world domination and possible unchecked genocide.

[notsolost42]

So you reminded us that Hanzo was a purveyor of arms. What if he still is? Now that we are in the nuclear age, and age where devices like "jughead" exist, what if the Valenzetti equation theory is correct? what you have is a group with the firepower to destroy the world, attempting to figure out how to manipulate an equation that, if successful, would allow them to change the end of the world.

So after mastering the Valenzetti equation and determining how to manipulate it's factors instead of a having nations or groups lead by people with the thought in the back of their minds "if i release the nuclear capabilities then i could doom the world..." you now have a leader who can think "i can launch whatever i want, whenever i want, and i have the means to keep the total release of nuclear weapons from destroying the world...ergo the world is mine"

...that's tantamount to absolute power wouldn't you say? and it open the door to world domination and possible unchecked genocide.


Alvar Hanso was a dealer in high tech munitians and that must have included nuclear weapons as the time fits. I don't know that he would have had the capability to deliver them though so I am not really sure how world domination fits. In the Lost Experience game, Thomas Mittelwork, one of his board members at Hanso, tried to manipulate the Valenzetti equation through use of the virus. He had his henchmen use it on a particular percentage of the population in Sri Lanka to wipe them out. It was all done with the coverup of the virus being a vacine. If you go to Lostpedia and listen to the Sri Lanka video you'll hear the whole plot. So far, other than hearing about people supposedly getting sick and seeing quarantine on the hatch door, there has been no virus so it is not canon to the show.
I just really don't get your connection of world domination to Alvar Hanso by way of nuclear weapons. I think he delivered Jughead to the island but that's about it.