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XmasDVD
02-18-2008, 10:41 PM
Saw this on another website - nice theory. Thoughts??

The rocket was fired from the Freighter by Regina and it flew to the Island, only to arrive later than expected. It is assumed that it landed 31 minutes late, based on the difference of the two clocks, but nowhere is there hard evidence that 31 minutes passed between Regina saying that the rocket should have arrived and it's actual arrival. It is a safe assumption though.

Suffice it to say, an appreciable amount of time passed and the rocket finally arrived late. The presence of a clock as the cargo of the rocket, and Daniel's first reaction being to compare the two indicates that the difference was expected and that the purpose of the experiment was to measure the actual difference.

Later, when Frank, Sayid, and Desmond are preparing to leave, Daniel warns Frank to "follow the exact same bearing we came in on. No matter what." The exact bearing. In other words the same angle of approach with respects to the Island.
Why does he warn Frank of this?

Because the Rocket came in at some random bearing and experienced a time difference of 31 minutes. What if it came in on a different bearing? How long would they have had to wait? 31 hours? 31 days? Now consider the helicopter leaving the Island. What if they deviated from the bearing they approached on? What if Frank flies the helicopter away from the Island on some goofy bearing? Will they also experience a time difference, and if so how big of a difference?

Daniel is working with limited information, but he knows that they did not experience a great time difference on their approach so he concludes that if Frank follows the same bearing, then they should be safe.

Does all this talk of bearings sound familiar? It should. Ben told Michel that he should follow a bearing of 325 when he left the Island if he wanted to find rescue. Ben was concerned about the angle of approach with respect to the Island as well. Further evidence that the angle of approach is important.

The interesting question is, did Ben give Micheal a bearing that would result in no time difference or, more interestingly, a great time difference. Into the past perhaps? What better way to get rid of Micheal and keep him from ratting them out than to have him wind up in the past, years before the plane crashed?

Micheal would try to tell people about the plane crash, but no one would believe him because there was no plane crash yet. He and Walt would grow older, perhaps living under an assumed name since there is already a Michael Dawson running around.

Eventually when the plane does crash, People In the Know would put two and two together and realise that Michael came from the Island and that is where the plane must have crashed. Realising that search for the plane might result in the wrong people stumbleing onto the Island, these same People In the Know plant a fake plane in the Sunda Trench and then assemble their crew onto the Freighter. Michael and perhaps Walt are also taken to keep him from renewing his claim to be a survivor of flight 815 now that the plane had actually crashed. If Walt is on the Freighter, and if he and Michael were sent into the past as a result of the bearing given them by Ben, then this would explain his age quite nicely.

Depending on how much Naomi knew about those who hired her, this would also explain the seeming non-sequiter of her question of what to do if she ran into the Survivors of Flight 815 on the Island. Why would she ask this of Abaddon? If the wreckage was found in the Sunda Trench and she believed it was the real wreckage, she would have no reason. Yet she asked. She must know about Michael and his claims. She must know about the goal of the mission, its purpose to reclaim Ben and possibly Desmond as well. She would also have put two and two together and realised that Michael came from the Island and was therefore concerned about running into survivors.

This is all speculation based soley on the meager evidence of that one scene in The Ecconomist , but I felt it held some merit since it had such far reaching consequences, and suggested answers to some seemingly unrelated mysteries.

bunnydixon
02-18-2008, 11:12 PM
that makes a lot of sense and it is possible that although ben kept his promise, there is a small catch. but then there is also the theory that michael is on the boat - hence not arriving home for naomi to find out about him or that he is the one if the coffin with a name change - again, naomi would be unaware.

but its a good theory and entirely possible.

nascarpepper
02-18-2008, 11:19 PM
Because the survivors have only been on the island around 100 days, do you think the reason they took Walt off the show is because clearly over the seasons, he would grow up in real life? Do you think they are using that as one of there time is different on the island and off? See where I am going with this?

PacmanIsLost
02-19-2008, 02:50 AM
there is no way that daniel could know of a time difference on their way in because he would have no constant to draw from....in this case, he himself is the payload and would have to wait to find the island's time when he got there, this is why he did the experiment once he got on the island.... now, i think he was doing this experiment on the freighter, probably going from one end to the other and either found there was no time difference, or possibly a small one of one or two seconds....i think the latter might be more likely...

i don't think the payload followed some crazy bearing, i think it went on a straight line, it didn't look to be like any type of smart technology but more like a mortar shell... i think he tells lapidis to follow the same bearing because the freighter is in the same direction but it is now farther away, so as long as he stays on the bearing he has, they will run into the freighter eventually

XmasDVD
02-19-2008, 03:06 AM
Anyone notice that the payload did NOT come from the water side, but from the Jungle side? The helecopter is near the water but the payload came from the right side - the jungle. Wouldn't you expect the freighter to be on the same side as the helecopter?

PacmanIsLost
02-19-2008, 03:08 AM
Anyone notice that the payload did NOT come from the water side, but from the Jungle side? The helecopter is near the water but the payload came from the right side - the jungle. Wouldn't you expect the freighter to be on the same side as the helecopter?

it's an island...every side is the water side...

FanFiltration
02-19-2008, 03:22 AM
Remember the raft from season one / two? What if you don't stay on a special bearing you keep returning to the island over and over again? Then Desmond's Sail Boat did the same thing late in season 2. It just came back to the island when he tried to sail away with it after he left the hatch. I think you need a special bearing to leave the area no matter what. And every time someone tries to fly to the island, they crash, or have major problems. Even a hot air balloon. :confused:

XmasDVD
02-19-2008, 03:23 AM
Right - but fired from the freighter it should have come from the left (water) side.

PacmanIsLost
02-19-2008, 03:28 AM
we have no idea where the freighter is in the greater scheme of things...the only thing that really indicates where it is is the trajectory that the payload came in on...and where lapidis landed the helicopter also gives us no clues because we didn't see him land it or how long he flew over the island... and remember they can't see the freighter from the beach they were on so it probably came from the other side of the island so the payload would come over the island, over the jungle, and land where daniel was....

FanFiltration
02-19-2008, 03:58 AM
we have no idea where the freighter is in the greater scheme of things...the only thing that really indicates where it is is the trajectory that the payload came in on...

Naomi's helicopter came in and went down into the sea off the beach by the Looking Glass Station / cable in the sand area.
I thought that was on the same side of the island as the main Losties beach camp, and not that far away as well. Hurley looks out to the sea from the main beach camp when he is asked by radio if Charlie was back and o.k. by Claire just after Hurley saves the day with his V.W. bus at the end of season two. So I would think that the freighter would be off shore on that side of the island.

PacmanIsLost
02-19-2008, 04:04 AM
the freighter is still 80km away from the island they say, and naomi could just have been flying around aimlessly and then happened upon the island while searching for it so there would be no way to tell where it was