About time

[ds41980]

Hello all

Just wanted to converse on the time experiment that daniel did. Maybe the 30 minutes is not always 30 minutes. Maybe the time discrepancy changes based on how close you are to the island or if you are in the air versus by sea. Maybe even with where you are standing on the island.

[Dzbabykel]

Yah there is a theory going around that sounds pretty good that the farther away you are from the island, the more ahead in time you are (or something like that)....its so frustrating for me because I LOVE posting my theories on here and joining in conversation but this stuff just confuses me too much!! :eek::mad:

[lostlindy]

I really sucked at science so I'm not much help here. I try and understand allthis scientific mumbo jumbo but my brain gets numb! LOL I'll have to leave it up to you smarties and then when you figure it out explain in "very simple" terms to us dummies. LOL :confused:

[Dzbabykel]

I really sucked at science so I'm not much help here. I try and understand allthis scientific mumbo jumbo but my brain gets numb! LOL I'll have to leave it up to you smarties and then when you figure it out explain in "very simple" terms to us dummies. LOL :confused:

Yes and unfortunately....I am not one of those people haha

[justjoe]

Well if it's any comfort I am a scientist and I don't get half the stuff I read. :confused:

[lostlindy]

thank you, that makes me feel so much better!! :D

[Dzbabykel]

Yah I was a bio major and took all those "scientific" classes but sadly I retained none of it :rolleyes:

[justjoe]

I never said I was a good scientist.

[snow24]

I really like the antimater theory, which would coinside with the time diferential, but what i dont understand about the time experiment is, how does the island effact an eletronic device such as a watch. If Daniel was using a sun dial or something, this experiment would make more sense to me, how would being on the island change the time on his watch. The watch is programed or geared to keep time at a particular pace, the island shouldn't change that. It just seems to me taht even if the time is different, the watches would not show it, they would still be keeping the same time.

this along with the rocket's delay in landing, leads me to think there is another variable in the experiement we aren't seeing, but from his reaction, we can tell Daniel knows what it is.

[drew102e]

30 minutes is a big deal...lady on the freighter counted down for 10-15 seconds but 30 minutes had passed...so this could translate into giant discrepancies in time, depending on location to island

[ecw0930]

I really like the antimater theory, which would coinside with the time diferential, but what i dont understand about the time experiment is, how does the island effact an eletronic device such as a watch. If Daniel was using a sun dial or something, this experiment would make more sense to me, how would being on the island change the time on his watch. The watch is programed or geared to keep time at a particular pace, the island shouldn't change that. It just seems to me taht even if the time is different, the watches would not show it, they would still be keeping the same time.

this along with the rocket's delay in landing, leads me to think there is another variable in the experiement we aren't seeing, but from his reaction, we can tell Daniel knows what it is.


you have it backwards. The watch is PROGRAMMED and the electromagnetic properties of the island can mess with that. It "can't" mess with the sun, the sun is a constant, time on the other hand, is relative when it comes to watches and such....think of time zones.... the sun is the "meter" for how we do it, but each one is an hour apart because we say so...

so if the island messed with anything it IS the watches and mechanicals.... not the sun itself.

[justjoe]

Sort of reminds me of Back to the Future when Doc sends Einstein back one minute and their clocks don't sync up. Einstein skipped over that minute and ended up in ther present without knowing what happened. I wonder if the producers used this theory somehow.

[bunnydixon]

Sort of reminds me of Back to the Future when Doc sends Einstein back one minute and their clocks don't sync up. Einstein skipped over that minute and ended up in ther present without knowing what happened. I wonder if the producers used this theory somehow.

Another BTF fan - glad its not just me who waffles on about it all the time lol!

yeah, my OH was going on about the time difference varying depending where you were on the island - think he stole that idea from IGN though!

he also came up with an interesting thing fr the minkowski diagram - he reckons the cone is that shape because as time goes on, you encounter more things and have more choices to make...

[justjoe]

Have all 3 on dvd. Should I be admitting this? I like the cone theory. Makes sense on some level.

[Dzbabykel]

Hahah LOVE Back to the Future!!!

[Lost in VA]

We have a VW bus on Lost , but no Delorean.

[justjoe]

Wonder if there are any more similarities. Think McFly think...

[dudebro28]

i think that the farther you get from the island the bigger the time difference.
ps. how do u become a senior member?

[ImagoDei]

I talked about my theory on the time differences in the other thread about the experiment, I find it very interesting that there was a 31 min difference in the times... I wonder did they sync the clocks before the payload was launched? It didnt seem like she had time to do that. So maybe the "electrical storm" they went through or the island itself just changed the mechanical attributes of the clock, so there was really no change in time itself but rather a mechanical flux, defect, or possibly a human error in the experiment? Is it possible we are making the 31 min into a larger mistery than it really is? But if so why did Faraday say the big " Ohh No! "

[ImagoDei]

i think that the farther you get from the island the bigger the time difference.
ps. how do u become a senior member?
If that is the case, the plane they found in the ocean trench, must have been close to the island... Otherwise the body decay of the pilot, and plane wouldnt have matched the timeline. Even if the plane is part of a conspiracy, it would still be around the same time, otherwise, the general public would have know what was up.

[justjoe]

ps. how do u become a senior member?

Keep posting, you'll find out.

I still think that from the time the Swan imploded to now they have been losing one minute per day becasue the island is not protected by the shield anymore. 31 days since implosion, 31 minutes the payload was "lost".

[bunnydixon]

Keep posting, you'll find out.

I still think that from the time the Swan imploded to now they have been losing one minute per day becasue the island is not protected by the shield anymore. 31 days since implosion, 31 minutes the payload was "lost".

aaaah good connection!!!

[Dzbabykel]

Yes I like it!

[justjoe]

Thank you. I hope it holds some water.

[ImagoDei]

Are we sure is has been that long since the implosion? And since then, can the island be seen from the outside? I wonder if that is the case, if protecting time was its only purpose?

[islander]

Hello all

Just wanted to converse on the time experiment that daniel did. Maybe the 30 minutes is not always 30 minutes. Maybe the time discrepancy changes based on how close you are to the island or if you are in the air versus by sea. Maybe even with where you are standing on the island.

great dialogue and analysis, but if the missle was 31 minutes late, it seemed to me to be too small to carry enough fuel for what should have been a sub-one minute flight. so i'm not sure the missle's flight was 31 minutes longer in total distance - i like the worm hole/space/time theories. also, assuming the helicopter flight which originated from the same freighter, would be traveling much slower than the missle it seems likely the helicopter would have taken longer to reach the island than the missle, and assuming they actually traveled that extra distance, they too would have used more fuel than expected. the pilot made some reference to not having a lot of fuel left, but he didn't seem surprised by how much fuel they used. so, again, i think that's evidence that neither the missle nor the helicopter actually traveled further than they expected even though both flights took more TIME than expected...just my theory.


i posted this on the daniel time dilation thread, but it addresses this thread too...any thoughts?

[justjoe]

It's funny but this correlates with Back to the Future again. Remember Einy skipped over the minute to arrive at the same point in time one minute later. Maybe to the rocket it was an instant trip and that's why the fuel wasn't used up.

[navyguy]

keep in mind the oceanic press release of December 31st 2007

[justjoe]

What was that again?

[islander]

keep in mind the oceanic press release of December 31st 2007

forgive me, but is there a link to that press release? i'm very interested. tia. :o

[cobaltspectre]

I suspect that the weirdness that does not have a spiritual/supernatural basis (which could be anything between 0-100%) is related to quantum physics-- something so bizarre that even scientists don't understand it, yet... they just have the vaguest sense of how little they understand. And, they know worlds more than I do. Unlike the generations of engineers in my family, I went to law school. For a taste of how weird this stuff gets, I think this is interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc Also, check out The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene (dealing with string theory).

[islander]

keep in mind the oceanic press release of December 31st 2007

is this the press release you're referring to?

http://www.flyoceanicair.com/Oceanic_Press_Release.pdf

if so, how does it address the space/time theories?

[csharp1990]

You might recal in the episode "One of Us" Alpert tells Juliet, "You're gonna be amazed at how time flies once you're there", referring to the Island.

I think that provides a clue, seeing how Richard Alpert doesn't age very fast.

[TuesdaySmith]

is this the press release you're referring to?

http://www.flyoceanicair.com/Oceanic_Press_Release.pdf

if so, how does it address the space/time theories?

I've seen that referenced before as "proof", but I'm also confused as to how it relates to those theories.

[snow24]

you have it backwards. The watch is PROGRAMMED and the electromagnetic properties of the island can mess with that. It "can't" mess with the sun, the sun is a constant, time on the other hand, is relative when it comes to watches and such....think of time zones.... the sun is the "meter" for how we do it, but each one is an hour apart because we say so...

so if the island messed with anything it IS the watches and mechanicals.... not the sun itself.

I get what your saying about the magnetic properties having an effect on the watch, it would be interesting to see Daniel or someone else count to 60 and watch the clock and see if it actually ticks a minute in the 60 second count, or if it ticks less.

My theory with the sun was going along with the mirror matter theory that was posted before,

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/

if it is rotating around the earth, and also possibly revolving on an axis, the sun would very likely be in a different position. I guess I was just thinking that Daniel would be using a better time piece than one that would be effected by anything magnetic.