View Full Version : The spy on the boat?
Lostfan1
02-20-2008, 01:06 AM
In the second episode of this season we find out that Ben has a man on the frieghter not far off-shore. I have drawn the conclusion that the spy is Michale! The reason I say this is becuase Ben told him to follow a specific Barron and he would find "rescue". Ben did not say he would find his way home. Ben probly knew the boat was there and sent Michale striahgt to it! Michale was previously helping the others and Ben knew he could get information by using Michale!
From an unknown source i have seen pictures of michale on a frieghter while shooting a Episode.
lostlindy
02-20-2008, 01:24 AM
THAT makes sense!!
TuesdaySmith
02-20-2008, 01:38 AM
I don't know.. that doesn't make any sense to me.. too many questions...
1.) Why would Michael be helping Ben when he already got Walt back?
2.) How would Michael, a stranger they would pick up in the middle of the ocean, find out all the information?
3.) How would Michael get the information to Ben?
4.) How could he do any of this without raising suspicion from the freighter people?
Just say Michael gets picked up by the freighter.. He would just all of a sudden, on his own, decide to somehow find out every last bit of info about the people, and then decide to just somehow give it to Ben?
islander
02-20-2008, 01:38 AM
THAT makes sense!!
i agree. plus didn't ben say he had a "man" on the boat? michael fits nicely. is walt on the boat also? ;)
justjoe
02-20-2008, 02:00 AM
I've heard this before and some say that Walt is getting the info to Ben via astral projection.
mahalo_dude
02-20-2008, 02:08 AM
I don't know.. that doesn't make any sense to me.. too many questions...
1.) Why would Michael be helping Ben when he already got Walt back?
2.) How would Michael, a stranger they would pick up in the middle of the ocean, find out all the information?
3.) How would Michael get the information to Ben?
4.) How could he do any of this without raising suspicion from the freighter people?
Just say Michael gets picked up by the freighter.. He would just all of a sudden, on his own, decide to somehow find out every last bit of info about the people, and then decide to just somehow give it to Ben?
Maybe Walt is being used as a bargaining chip again. Or, Ben could have convinced Michael to work for him, given the mysteries of the island and what Ben knows. And as far as the logistics are concerned, Ben was able to get dossier files on every survivor from the crash almost instantaneously. I don't think it would be very hard for him to have Michael communicate with him behind the Freighter 4's backs.
Kal-Bear43
02-20-2008, 02:12 AM
This is a really good theory. They did say Micheal and Walt were gonna be back on the show this season, and the way they're building it up to be a really big surprise. I think it could work.:p
heavensprincess
02-20-2008, 02:21 AM
I think Michael and Walt might have been rescued by the bought but I don't think Michael is his man. Maybe Walt like someone said with the astral projection thing. I don't see any reason for Michael to help Ben out.
csharp1990
02-20-2008, 02:35 AM
If all ben told michael is follow this route to find rescue and Machael finds this freighter. Say they pick up Michael, why would michael suddenly know to get info about the people and give it to Ben. Ben didn't tell him to do that.
In order for michael to be ben's man on the frieghter, ben would have told Michael follow this bearing to find a freighter, you will get on the boat and relay all information you learn about these people to me somehow without the people on the boat knowing.
That didn't happen, or we didn't see it happen.
mahalo_dude
02-20-2008, 02:41 AM
If all ben told michael is follow this route to find rescue and Machael finds this freighter. Say they pick up Michael, why would michael suddenly know to get info about the people and give it to Ben. Ben didn't tell him to do that.
In order for michael to be ben's man on the frieghter, ben would have told Michael follow this bearing to find a freighter, you will get on the boat and relay all information you learn about these people to me somehow without the people on the boat knowing.
That didn't happen, or we didn't see it happen.
Just because we did not see it happen does not mean it did not happen. There very well could be a flashback coming up with Michael and Ben in which these very things actually happen.
heavensprincess
02-20-2008, 02:56 AM
I can't see Michael helping them. I suppose they had Michael and Walt for awhile and they could have brainwashed them or whatever it is they do. I'm going with Walt and then Charlotte...there is something up with her.
csharp1990
02-20-2008, 03:17 AM
Just because we did not see it happen does not mean it did not happen. There very well could be a flashback coming up with Michael and Ben in which these very things actually happen.
You're right, Lost will make you think one way then completely 180 on you.
mahalo_dude
02-20-2008, 03:28 AM
You're right, Lost will make you think one way then completely 180 on you.
Yeah. Really I'm just trying to keep my own thoughts organized because my brain could melt trying to absorb all that I've read since the Season 4 debut!
sprola
02-20-2008, 09:54 PM
I've always thought that Michael &/or Walt was the spy. Walt was probably "briefed" about the spying mission while he was in the custody of Mrs.Klugh & the Others. Walt would have to be the person to send back info from the freighter because he's the one with the ability to do that by projecting himself. So why would they agree to help Ben? It's seems kinda simple to me--they're in the middle of the ocean with no place else to go. Plus Ben could use the knowledge that Michael killed AnaLucia & Libby against them (even though he put him up to it). Walt's words about the Others keep coming back to me: "They're not who they say they are!"
legendaryzero
02-20-2008, 10:10 PM
I'm still not buying Michael working for Ben....I'm not fully convinced, until I actually see it... Even if he was picked up by the freighter, the people dont care about Oceanic survivors, and they may consider him a "hostile" and hold him prisoner. The only way I see Michael coming back is trying to save his friends when he learns that the freighter is not out to save anyone on the island. I'm just rambling on here, but I honestly dont see the connection with Michael and Ben...
legendaryzero
02-20-2008, 10:13 PM
I'm still thinking it could be Sayid and that something will happen when they fly to the freighter... Obviously something is going to happen on their flight there, with Dan telling Lapidus (?) to follow the same bearing, you just know that something is going to send them off course, and possibly through time....
Lostfan1
02-20-2008, 11:05 PM
Just because we did not see it happen does not mean it did not happen. There very well could be a flashback coming up with Michael and Ben in which these very things actually happen.
There was a debate over wether or not Julliet was helping Ben when she went with the Losties. We saw in a flashbak that he had everything planned out. I think we will see a flashbak similar to this one with Michael.
Whatever Walts "ability" is (I hve no idea!) could play a significant role.
Ezekiel 25:17
02-20-2008, 11:10 PM
I can definently see that Mikey and Walt return, can't wait to see how, maybe second time the chopper comes around or somthin, who knows, but I'm on the side who thinks its mike.
LostFreak21
02-20-2008, 11:22 PM
If it is Michael maybe Ben gave him his e-mail address... hitmeagain@yahoo.com.
Lostfan1
02-20-2008, 11:29 PM
I think Michael and Walt might have been rescued by the bought but I don't think Michael is his man. Maybe Walt like someone said with the astral projection thing. I don't see any reason for Michael to help Ben out.
In the third episode Siayid asks Julliet why Ben is saying all the stuff about the people coming to the island. She says "Becuase he manipulates people; or becuse the people are comming to the island to hurt us."
We saw that the People are there for Ben, and it dosn't appear that they will hurt or kill everyone.( If they kill everyone the show is over)
So I think it is the first one.
If Ben hasn't comprimised with Michael
He has manipulated him
(In the Missing Pieces it showed that Walt was put in room 23 which is the Brainwashing room that Carl was in)-could this be Connected?
XmasDVD
02-20-2008, 11:50 PM
Maybe Walt has the ability to travel through the 'wormhole' and Ben wants to harness that power.
werlost
02-21-2008, 06:51 PM
Maybe Mikail is the man on the frieghter since we haven't seen him since he blew up the Looking Glass at the end of last season.
Dharma Initiate 815
02-21-2008, 06:55 PM
I think that it is probably Michael as well. I am truly doubtful that Ben would have given up him and Walt that easily. And though they are "off" the island ben is probably blackmailing him in some manner.
Lost in VA
02-21-2008, 07:02 PM
Ben used Walt before to get Michael to help him...so I agree, Ben probably
has Michael working for him again. The freighter might of picked him up wandering around at sea, now he is spying for Ben.
Dharma Initiate 815
02-21-2008, 07:05 PM
Like he totally new and had been monotoring the freighter in it's search for the island...
Archangel-Player
02-21-2008, 07:30 PM
If all ben told michael is follow this route to find rescue and Machael finds this freighter. Say they pick up Michael, why would michael suddenly know to get info about the people and give it to Ben. Ben didn't tell him to do that.
In order for michael to be ben's man on the frieghter, ben would have told Michael follow this bearing to find a freighter, you will get on the boat and relay all information you learn about these people to me somehow without the people on the boat knowing.
That didn't happen, or we didn't see it happen.
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I belive Ben told Mike that route for a reason. He knew what he would fined and he knew the freighter would be there. He knew exactly why thoese people where on the island.
Ben also gave Mike the boat for a reason he could have given him a row boat or something. But he gave him a boat with a radio in it. Yes the radio would work now that the jaming systems are down and I belive it would have worked anyhow. because boats can use a UFC signals that whern't stron wnough to be picked up by the jammer system. By the radio Ben would talk to Mike about what he would be running into.
Why would Mike trust Ben or care to help him? Because he has no choice. Mike found out first hand what happens when you try to leave the island he ended up being blown up and sailed right back to the island. Only by Ben's directions did he find "Help" and a way off the island. Anything beyound or else where other than Ben's directions would be sueside. Being that they probly would lead to danger. Like Ben said "Tell anyone where you been. Then they would know who you are and what you did on this island" So Mike couldn't explain where he's been much less who he was. So your damned if you do and damned if you don't. Pluss I bet Ben promised Mike a reward. Mike has no reason to distrust Ben on his word. Because Ben keept his end of the bargen last time. And to Mike what ever information Ben wants on this freighter is dead important. So being the curious one Mike is. He plays along. Kinda like when he played the Losties about he wanted the Others dead and revenge for them taking Wlat. This time it's Ben's turn.
LockeFan
02-21-2008, 09:03 PM
I think it is Michael on the freighter who is Ben's spy. Like previously stated, Ben has the ability to manipulate or persuade people to do things his way. Perhaps Ben told Michael (possibly through Walt) that the only way they could get rescued for sure would be to help him. Or possibly he said that if Michael did not help Ben, then the other Losties would be killed, either by the Others or the F4.
Maybe Ben told Michael to following that bearing because Ben knew that the freighter was at that location and that Michael would be brought onto the freighter and as soon as he told them he was on of the Losties, they let him live. Perhaps Ben left some type of written instructions in the boat that Michael and Walt left the island on so that Michael will know what to do.
I also think that once the Losties find out that Michael is Ben's spy then they (possibly Sayid) will try to kill him = person in the casket. This would explain why Ben won't tell anyone who his spy is.
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