csharp1990
02-20-2008, 02:25 AM
First off in no way am I taking credit for this theory it was originally posted http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45804
I am just posting it here so that you guys can have a look because this is very well developed, but there is a lot of ambiguities that can be cleared up. This was kinda similar to my theory just this is a lot more in depth, and this can be kinda confusing at times...:D
"I have been reading the huge threads on THE 31 MINUTES on many forums, and thought I'd take a step back from the complex mathematics and science put forward. I'm going to try and expand my ideas into a theory.
Firstly I think it's established that the clocks are NOT timers..the numbers are the time of day...
The difference is the island is 31 minutes into the future. We must remember that TIME is a frame of reference. It is dependent on where the observer is. For this reason, I shall talk of dimensions, and not time.
If you send something into the past it has to arrive instananeously.
if you send something into the future, it takes a bit.. hence the payload clock being 31 minutes fast/ahead
The payload took an extra 31 minutes to arrive on the island.. so according to its clock it is 3:16. Island time is in the future.
But its not as simple as time travel... time travel alone would delay incoming comms.. yet make outgoing comms instananeous.
I DO believe a wormhole is responsible for this....a portal between dimensions.
The freighter is probably parked just by the mouth of the wormhole(exact heading/bearing) so signals/anything digital(which doesn't include sound waves) arent affected by the wormhole passage.. Only things that are affected, are soundwaves, water, air and things with mass.. Light is affected, but not too much.. hence the scattering.
The sub also can travel via the wormhole..it exists in the air and water... but it must be small...like a narrow column.
Regina acknowledges the payload reaches the beacon...yet Daniel says it isnt there...the signals are in real time... She is tracking the flight on a computer screen to a blinking dot or something probably... and it flies through the wormhole. She sees in on the screen, or whatever she is using to track the payload, that it hits the mark...in her dimension... her present.
In the meantime....Frank and Jack discuss the Boston Red Sox. Then Daniels says here it comes...it lands .. Daniel refers to it as a rocket.. but it is guided electronically.. so it doesnt fit the normal description of a rocket.. but thats neither here nor there, as it probably has rocket propulsion.
He takes out the square clock and compares it to his watch.. then says "Oh no",
then he goes over the the machine and checks both clocks.
The machines clock says 2:45:02, which ticks to 2:45:03 and the rockets says 3:16 :22, which ticks to 3:16:23 and the Daniel mutters 31 minutes..
It seems like 31 seconds.. but 31 minutes has gone by... and he specifies this, and you can see the seconds digits moving moving.
The flight of the payload took an extra 31 minutes, therefore the Island dimension is ahead of world time.
While it travels 31 minutes in the wormhole.. then lands at the real beacon...the clock is 31 minutes fast... so to Daniel, Jack, and Frank.. 31 minutes later they receive it.. the future compared to Reginas present. Subsequently, the freighter is in Jack & Franks past, according to THEIR frame of reference.
BUT...as there are no DATES on the clocks....the island could be any number of days into the future....or indeed the PAST - however, we'll assume it is just 31 minutes, which may or may not be frozen due to the turning of the key. For all we know, the island dimension may be spinning into the future - THIS WAS THE INCIDENT.
This brings me to my theory. I believe now, that the 108 minutes timer, was pressed to keep the island in sync with the outside world. I beileve the extreme electromagnetic properties of the island produce the wormhole to other dimensions, and the timing differences. It is clear that comms are important. The FLAME station was a huge world monitoring station, and was designed to monitor world events in either real time or future time dependent on which type of wasves were monitored. This explains why the freighter people only use SAT phones. It's my belief that Ben/Alpert are the bad boys and Mittelos Bioscience USED the islands properties to SEE into the future. The SAW up to 108 minutes ahead, and on the reset, USED this influence to make huge killings on the stock market, and gambling on events in the outside world. Hence the money and fake passports - Ben had ultimate power, and together with the Widmore Corp, influenced many, many world events. With a "tool" that looks 108 mins into the future, think of what YOU could do - THIS is what makes the island so special, and worth fighting for. Now, people who lived long on the island, have benefited from the constant resetting of time - it behaved like a fountain of youth - making Alpert and other locals hardly age at all. However, the constant reset of time, manifested in the pregnant womens wombs. The women didn't age, but the wombs did, thus the universe course corrected and killed the mother and baby on pregnancy. I would be interested to see what happened if a LOCAL left the island - like the LOST HORIZON movie, I feel they would wither and die.
NOW...this is where the spirituality evident in the show comes into play, cos I believe FATE is the universe's way of course correcting the changes of destiny that Ben & Co have achieved. Remember what the old lady said to Desmond - the universe has a way of course correcting.
The universe was at work when it fated the people of 815 to influence the change on the island. Hurley got the lottery numbers, cos it was he knew the numbers would come up. The INCIDENT that occured was what happened in the islands future - before time was controlled. The INCIDENT was Des turning the failsafe key, so time is now on a big LOOP on the island. Initially, I suggest all this started when, DHARMA experimented with time travel, and the properties of the island, and jumping the island WELL ahead into the future. AT this point, they realised something must be done, or the universe would collapse on itself, so they sent many DHARMA people out through the wormhole at this time - into a new dimension, and into 2004 - with instructions to solve the problem, and get fate back on track. This explains how Hurley's numbers won him the lottery, how Charlie probably programmed the Looking Glass Station code, and how Sayid knew how to repair computer in the Swan, how Locke could beat the chess PC in the Flame. They knew, cos they were the scientists that devised it. However, in their NEW dimension in 2004, their lives had followed a different path, and they had lived different lives. The universe was at work however, and FATE decreed that these people were pulled back to the island on flight 815. The people with more FAITH...such as Locke etc.. had deja vu moments, and REMEMBERED his life on the island - his destiny. He KNEW he'd been here before. The men of science...Jack et all, had LITTLE recollection, so had to be guided at times (his Dad etc..). Once again, some people want to EXIT the island - the non believers, and six DO leave the island. They go into yet ANOTHER dimension and become the characters they once were - only worse. Once again, FATE (which can be described here as the universe course correcting) pulls them BACK to the island to help their friends who are now HUGELY aware of their orignial DHARMA work. BEN is almost an anti christ - USING the island for his own means, and is the BAD one in all this. Alpert and the others realise they have been DUPED by Ben, and a huge battle ensues for the island. The Losities now resume their roles as DHARMA scientists, and find their OLD bodies in the original timeline in the open grave that Locke was shown. Jack and Kate realise the two bodies in the cave are them.
The show will end with our Losties working for DHARMA, trying to control the wormhole and shift in time for the good of mankind - JUST SAVING THE WORLD.....then....enter AARON - the baby born OFF the island who came back from the future, who will gas them all in a purge......and then we'll cut to a bamboo grove to see....JACK UNCONCIOUS....
Full of HOLES at the minute, but feel free to throw questions at me and maybe we can tweak the theory....
This situation of course brings GOD and fate into play...light and dark...GOD, or JACOB, or fate...whatever you call it HAS to put destiny back to it's pre ordained way. ALL the coincidences that brought the passengers of 815 was fate, or God, or the universe course correcting and bringing things BACK into line. The question is, HOW...and THAT will be the question we're left with at the end of LOST. How can we stop this continual time loop THE INCIDENT brought about....."
I am just posting it here so that you guys can have a look because this is very well developed, but there is a lot of ambiguities that can be cleared up. This was kinda similar to my theory just this is a lot more in depth, and this can be kinda confusing at times...:D
"I have been reading the huge threads on THE 31 MINUTES on many forums, and thought I'd take a step back from the complex mathematics and science put forward. I'm going to try and expand my ideas into a theory.
Firstly I think it's established that the clocks are NOT timers..the numbers are the time of day...
The difference is the island is 31 minutes into the future. We must remember that TIME is a frame of reference. It is dependent on where the observer is. For this reason, I shall talk of dimensions, and not time.
If you send something into the past it has to arrive instananeously.
if you send something into the future, it takes a bit.. hence the payload clock being 31 minutes fast/ahead
The payload took an extra 31 minutes to arrive on the island.. so according to its clock it is 3:16. Island time is in the future.
But its not as simple as time travel... time travel alone would delay incoming comms.. yet make outgoing comms instananeous.
I DO believe a wormhole is responsible for this....a portal between dimensions.
The freighter is probably parked just by the mouth of the wormhole(exact heading/bearing) so signals/anything digital(which doesn't include sound waves) arent affected by the wormhole passage.. Only things that are affected, are soundwaves, water, air and things with mass.. Light is affected, but not too much.. hence the scattering.
The sub also can travel via the wormhole..it exists in the air and water... but it must be small...like a narrow column.
Regina acknowledges the payload reaches the beacon...yet Daniel says it isnt there...the signals are in real time... She is tracking the flight on a computer screen to a blinking dot or something probably... and it flies through the wormhole. She sees in on the screen, or whatever she is using to track the payload, that it hits the mark...in her dimension... her present.
In the meantime....Frank and Jack discuss the Boston Red Sox. Then Daniels says here it comes...it lands .. Daniel refers to it as a rocket.. but it is guided electronically.. so it doesnt fit the normal description of a rocket.. but thats neither here nor there, as it probably has rocket propulsion.
He takes out the square clock and compares it to his watch.. then says "Oh no",
then he goes over the the machine and checks both clocks.
The machines clock says 2:45:02, which ticks to 2:45:03 and the rockets says 3:16 :22, which ticks to 3:16:23 and the Daniel mutters 31 minutes..
It seems like 31 seconds.. but 31 minutes has gone by... and he specifies this, and you can see the seconds digits moving moving.
The flight of the payload took an extra 31 minutes, therefore the Island dimension is ahead of world time.
While it travels 31 minutes in the wormhole.. then lands at the real beacon...the clock is 31 minutes fast... so to Daniel, Jack, and Frank.. 31 minutes later they receive it.. the future compared to Reginas present. Subsequently, the freighter is in Jack & Franks past, according to THEIR frame of reference.
BUT...as there are no DATES on the clocks....the island could be any number of days into the future....or indeed the PAST - however, we'll assume it is just 31 minutes, which may or may not be frozen due to the turning of the key. For all we know, the island dimension may be spinning into the future - THIS WAS THE INCIDENT.
This brings me to my theory. I believe now, that the 108 minutes timer, was pressed to keep the island in sync with the outside world. I beileve the extreme electromagnetic properties of the island produce the wormhole to other dimensions, and the timing differences. It is clear that comms are important. The FLAME station was a huge world monitoring station, and was designed to monitor world events in either real time or future time dependent on which type of wasves were monitored. This explains why the freighter people only use SAT phones. It's my belief that Ben/Alpert are the bad boys and Mittelos Bioscience USED the islands properties to SEE into the future. The SAW up to 108 minutes ahead, and on the reset, USED this influence to make huge killings on the stock market, and gambling on events in the outside world. Hence the money and fake passports - Ben had ultimate power, and together with the Widmore Corp, influenced many, many world events. With a "tool" that looks 108 mins into the future, think of what YOU could do - THIS is what makes the island so special, and worth fighting for. Now, people who lived long on the island, have benefited from the constant resetting of time - it behaved like a fountain of youth - making Alpert and other locals hardly age at all. However, the constant reset of time, manifested in the pregnant womens wombs. The women didn't age, but the wombs did, thus the universe course corrected and killed the mother and baby on pregnancy. I would be interested to see what happened if a LOCAL left the island - like the LOST HORIZON movie, I feel they would wither and die.
NOW...this is where the spirituality evident in the show comes into play, cos I believe FATE is the universe's way of course correcting the changes of destiny that Ben & Co have achieved. Remember what the old lady said to Desmond - the universe has a way of course correcting.
The universe was at work when it fated the people of 815 to influence the change on the island. Hurley got the lottery numbers, cos it was he knew the numbers would come up. The INCIDENT that occured was what happened in the islands future - before time was controlled. The INCIDENT was Des turning the failsafe key, so time is now on a big LOOP on the island. Initially, I suggest all this started when, DHARMA experimented with time travel, and the properties of the island, and jumping the island WELL ahead into the future. AT this point, they realised something must be done, or the universe would collapse on itself, so they sent many DHARMA people out through the wormhole at this time - into a new dimension, and into 2004 - with instructions to solve the problem, and get fate back on track. This explains how Hurley's numbers won him the lottery, how Charlie probably programmed the Looking Glass Station code, and how Sayid knew how to repair computer in the Swan, how Locke could beat the chess PC in the Flame. They knew, cos they were the scientists that devised it. However, in their NEW dimension in 2004, their lives had followed a different path, and they had lived different lives. The universe was at work however, and FATE decreed that these people were pulled back to the island on flight 815. The people with more FAITH...such as Locke etc.. had deja vu moments, and REMEMBERED his life on the island - his destiny. He KNEW he'd been here before. The men of science...Jack et all, had LITTLE recollection, so had to be guided at times (his Dad etc..). Once again, some people want to EXIT the island - the non believers, and six DO leave the island. They go into yet ANOTHER dimension and become the characters they once were - only worse. Once again, FATE (which can be described here as the universe course correcting) pulls them BACK to the island to help their friends who are now HUGELY aware of their orignial DHARMA work. BEN is almost an anti christ - USING the island for his own means, and is the BAD one in all this. Alpert and the others realise they have been DUPED by Ben, and a huge battle ensues for the island. The Losities now resume their roles as DHARMA scientists, and find their OLD bodies in the original timeline in the open grave that Locke was shown. Jack and Kate realise the two bodies in the cave are them.
The show will end with our Losties working for DHARMA, trying to control the wormhole and shift in time for the good of mankind - JUST SAVING THE WORLD.....then....enter AARON - the baby born OFF the island who came back from the future, who will gas them all in a purge......and then we'll cut to a bamboo grove to see....JACK UNCONCIOUS....
Full of HOLES at the minute, but feel free to throw questions at me and maybe we can tweak the theory....
This situation of course brings GOD and fate into play...light and dark...GOD, or JACOB, or fate...whatever you call it HAS to put destiny back to it's pre ordained way. ALL the coincidences that brought the passengers of 815 was fate, or God, or the universe course correcting and bringing things BACK into line. The question is, HOW...and THAT will be the question we're left with at the end of LOST. How can we stop this continual time loop THE INCIDENT brought about....."