Anti Matter?

[friendly1013]

This is a stretch, as it has not been hinted at at all.

But we have heard that on the island, there is an 'inexhaustable source of energy' ... it has been stated that it might be Nuclear Fusion, but the thread about mirrors, which seemed like a stretch at first has raised another question in my mind.

Could we be dealing with Anti-matter?

Just wondering if this has occured to anyone else...

[notsolost42]

This is a stretch, as it has not been hinted at at all.

But we have heard that on the island, there is an 'inexhaustable source of energy' ... it has been stated that it might be Nuclear Fusion, but the thread about mirrors, which seemed like a stretch at first has raised another question in my mind.

Could we be dealing with Anti-matter?

Just wondering if this has occured to anyone else...

Mirror matter is anti-matter, so yes. It is also referred to as dark matter. And the thread about fusion is about cold fusion and that it caused the incident. I guess that's the one you mean. I think they tapped into the exotic matter when they were doing experiments with cold fusion using the hydrogen from Jughead and the EM of the island to produce energy for the island. We still haven't seen one power plant and have no idea how the lights work!

[friendly1013]

Mirror matter is anti-matter, so yes. It is also referred to as dark matter. And the thread about fusion is about cold fusion and that it caused the incident. I guess that's the one you mean. I think they tapped into the exotic matter when they were doing experiments with cold fusion using the hydrogen from Jughead and the EM of the island to produce energy for the island. We still haven't seen one power plant and have no idea how the lights work!

It's true!! These all must be related somehow or another. In fact, this is most likely the reason that the DI came to the island in the first place, after which they most likely found other strange properties. I am very curious to see this backstory.

[InTheBeginning]

We still haven't seen one power plant and have no idea how the lights work!

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[notsolost42]

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ROFL!!! That is perfect!!!!!!

[InTheBeginning]

notso... IDK how you do it! All of your serious posts and theories...yet you still make room for a laugh from a notsoserious newb! Thanks :)

[notsolost42]

notso... IDK how you do it! All of your serious posts and theories...yet you still make room for a laugh from a notsoserious newb! Thanks :)

Ahhh, it was funny? I love Uncle Fester!

[delfrio]

Mirror matter is anti-matter, so yes. It is also referred to as dark matter.

Just FYI, antimatter and dark matter are not the same thing.

[notsolost42]

Just FYI, antimatter and dark matter are not the same thing.

I knew I read it somewhere. This is from Wiki:

If mirror matter does exist in large abundances in the universe and if it interacts with ordinary matter via photon-mirror photon mixing, then this could be detected in dark matter direct detection experiments such as DAMA/NaI. In fact, it is one of the few dark matter candidates which can explain the positive DAMA/NaI dark matter signal whilst still being consistent with the null results of other dark matter experiments. Mirror matter may also be detected in electromagnetic field penetration experiments and there would also be consequences for planetary science.

[chester]

Mirror matter is anti-matter, so yes. It is also referred to as dark matter. And the thread about fusion is about cold fusion and that it caused the incident. I guess that's the one you mean. I think they tapped into the exotic matter when they were doing experiments with cold fusion using the hydrogen from Jughead and the EM of the island to produce energy for the island. We still haven't seen one power plant and have no idea how the lights work!

Anti-matter is not the same as dark matter. Here's the wikipedia link:http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter

Exotic matter, could be something else entirely, as well.

[natego]

I think you all have to remember that Wikipedia is written by people who are not always the best qualified. Using it as your #1 source isn't always the best idea..

[chester]

Yes, I'm sure we're all well aware of that. But it should be a satisfactory source for our needs here, at least initially. I'm not sure how many people here would have free electronic journal access.

[notsolost42]

I knew I read it somewhere. This is from Wiki:

If mirror matter does exist in large abundances in the universe and if it interacts with ordinary matter via photon-mirror photon mixing, then this could be detected in dark matter direct detection experiments such as DAMA/NaI. In fact, it is one of the few dark matter candidates which can explain the positive DAMA/NaI dark matter signal whilst still being consistent with the null results of other dark matter experiments. Mirror matter may also be detected in electromagnetic field penetration experiments and there would also be consequences for planetary science.

Yes, I'm sure we're all well aware of that. But it should be a satisfactory source for our needs here, at least initially. I'm not sure how many people here would have free electronic journal access.

NASA has some great resources and so does Physics World. There are actually alot of journal papers online too. Say Chester, did you read my post about dark matter and mirror matter above. The source is Wiki but it does say that mirror matter is one of the dark matter candidates...etc., etc. I was surprised when I read it but basically, they expect that there might be mirror matter in the dark matter they are trying to find, and actually define because they really don't know what dark matter is. Not actually.

[chester]

NASA has some great resources and so does Physics World. There are actually alot of journal papers online too. Say Chester, did you read my post about dark matter and mirror matter above. The source is Wiki but it does say that mirror matter is one of the dark matter candidates...etc., etc. I was surprised when I read it but basically, they expect that there might be mirror matter in the dark matter they are trying to find, and actually define because they really don't know what dark matter is. Not actually.

Yes, I think that was what was being assumed in the Mirror World theory by Mike. That dark matter was synonamous with mirror matter. I don't think dark(mirror) matter would destruct on contact with ordinary matter like anti-matter would. I think there's just minimal interaction between the two, and dark matter seems to avoid detection from all the devices we've built so far (or mostly).

[notsolost42]

Yes, I think that was what was being assumed in the Mirror World theory by Mike. That dark matter was synonamous with mirror matter. I don't think dark(mirror) matter would destruct on contact with ordinary matter like anti-matter would. I think there's just minimal interaction between the two, and dark matter seems to avoid detection from all the devices we've built so far (or mostly).

Because of the weak parity?

[chester]

Because of the weak parity?

According to Wikipedia, it's because: Mirror matter, if it exists, would have to be very weakly interacting with ordinary matter. This is because the forces between mirror particles are mediated by mirror bosons. With the exception of the graviton, none of the known bosons can be identical to their mirror partners. The only way mirror matter can interact with ordinary matter via forces other than gravity is via so-called kinetic mixing of mirror bosons with ordinary bosons or via the exchange of Holdom particles.[10] These interactions can only be very weak. Mirror particles have therefore been suggested as candidates for the inferred dark matter in the universe

[notsolost42]

According to Wikipedia, it's because: Mirror matter, if it exists, would have to be very weakly interacting with ordinary matter. This is because the forces between mirror particles are mediated by mirror bosons. With the exception of the graviton, none of the known bosons can be identical to their mirror partners. The only way mirror matter can interact with ordinary matter via forces other than gravity is via so-called kinetic mixing of mirror bosons with ordinary bosons or via the exchange of Holdom particles.[10] These interactions can only be very weak. Mirror particles have therefore been suggested as candidates for the inferred dark matter in the universe

Yeah, I read that too. I just start getting confused when I read bosons and fermions and all that! I kept trying to understand parity. Not too sure. Maybe.

[kwatt99]

I'm reading Dan Brown's Angels and Deamons, which has alot about anti-matter. If it is to be believed (a stretch for sure!) then when anti-matter contacts matter, a helluva explosion takes place. Maybe that's the incident.

[Snape]

The problem with anti-matter (and the problem with the theory as a result) is that any physicist worth his salt will tell you exactly what happens when matter and anti-matter collide - they annihilate in a flash of light energy, leaving no "matter" (or anti-matter) behind. If you were standing next to an "anti-you", if you even shook hands, you would both lose those hands. If the Island has anti-matter under it, there is obviously some boundary between the matter and the anti-matter and they would annihilate at that boundary. Then the upper layer would sink down farther because of gravity and that layer would annihilate, etc.

Unless there is some other exotic type of matter that can separate matter and anti-matter so that they don't annihilate, this theory is invalid.

[notsolost42]

The problem with anti-matter (and the problem with the theory as a result) is that any physicist worth his salt will tell you exactly what happens when matter and anti-matter collide - they annihilate in a flash of light energy, leaving no "matter" (or anti-matter) behind. If you were standing next to an "anti-you", if you even shook hands, you would both lose those hands. If the Island has anti-matter under it, there is obviously some boundary between the matter and the anti-matter and they would annihilate at that boundary. Then the upper layer would sink down farther because of gravity and that layer would annihilate, etc.

Unless there is some other exotic type of matter that can separate matter and anti-matter so that they don't annihilate, this theory is invalid.

Maybe that's why Mrs. Hawking said "God help us all." Obviously why Dr, Cheng freaked out when bunny #15 dropped in on bunny #15, yelling to take one out of the room and not let them see each other. Mirror matter and particle matter are anit-matter and matter.

[Simon Blackrock]

so what your saying is the bunny wasnt from another time, but the mirror of the bunny? did you notice if the number was on the same side of the bunny or the opposite?

[mhzmike]

anti-matter, and time travel was discussed thouroughly in the finale episode of Star Trek: Next Generation's "All Good Things" that featured "Q"and Captain Picard who finds his mind jumping between the present, past and 25 years into the future.....hmmmm wasn't that also the name of of a "LOST episode.......stay tuned

[Epy]

Mirror matter is indeed an excellent dark matter candidate. But mirror matter is not the same as antimatter.

If you have an atom of antimatter, its protons are antiprotons(protons with a negative charge) and its electrons are positrons (electrons with a positive charge). Mirror matter on the other hand is identical to regular matter other than the parity flip.

Example:
Hydrogen = 1 proton, 1 electron
Antihydrogen = 1 antiproton, 1 positron (particles have opposite charge)
Mirror Hydrogen= 1 mirror-proton, 1 mirror-electron(same charge, left and right handed interactions are flipped)

Exotic matter is a completely different thing. Exotic matter is basically matter with a negative energy density.

Ugh, so many kinds of matter, this is getting hard to keep track off.

[Snape]

Ok, I get the parity flip. The only force that changes with a parity flip is the electroweak nuclear force - for instance, Cobalt-60 exhibits "left-handed spin" vs. "right-handed spin" if you can isolate each type of partice.

(I'm reaching WAAAAY back to a graduate level elementary particles class I had in my Physics degree in college...but yes, I can see that you're not talking about anti-matter)

[friendly1013]

It looks like the rest of you did research for me, and this theory may have legs.

I strongly believe that we are indeed dealing with antimatter here, and am starting to think more and more that the incident may have to do with an awful collision of the two.

In the same sense, it does seem like the falling rabbit has something to do with it. These may be related, perhaps not in real life, in LOST world.

I mean you could take it anywhere. If Matter moves forward in time, perhaps Anti Matter moves backwards in time. Perhaps the subtle manipulation of the two elements via futuristic technology would allow you to control exactly where in time you ended up. Perhaps, there is time, and anti time.

Perhaps there is mirror time and regular time. Who knows??

I wouldn't be surprised if all of these neat things you are all talking about end up having SOMETHING to do with LOST.

There definately seems to be an implied threat of catastrophic annihilation, and this also lends itself to the anti matter theory...

[370662]

a plausible idea, seeing as we're travelling through time it seems to fit that more resolutions will be very science based!