Miles Will Forgive

[Landshark]

Miles will forgive his father for not being in his life.

Why do I think this?

I believe this because it is none other than Miles that causes it. I think Miles will be the first to tell Chang about the purge. Hurley sort of alluded to this, when he asked Miles why he doesn't tell them about the purge in Some Like it Hoth.

This may be a stretch, but I also think Miles will die in the season finale, in heroic fashion, saving his father life when the incident occurs. I think this will leave Chang one-armed, but Miles will die saving his life. it will almost be like a reverse Star Wars ending, with the son saving the father instead. Miles will be at peace because he will die knowing his father loved him, and he was the cause of his father not being there. He was pro-longing his and his mothers lives!

[notsolost42]

That sounds real good but I was hoping Miles would shed some light on our mysteries first! His special abilities are very helpful for us, the audience, to learn some facts. I think your ending is real sweet and heart warming and sad all at the same time. I do enjoy his character and hopes he stays around a lot longer though.

[tpbaxter]

I like it. My first inclination was to cry that this causes some irreconcilable paradox because in this story Miles is only alive because he saves himself as a child when he tells his father about the purge thereby causing his father to banish him and his mother from the Island to save their lives.

But when I reconsider it sounds plausible. Miles was always meant to go back in time and save himself. If Miles had went back in time to kill himself as a baby, this would cause a paradox. But saving himself as a baby, perfectly doable!

... I think :confused:

* brain explodes *

[notsolost42]

I like it. My first inclination was to cry that this causes some irreconcilable paradox because in this story Miles is only alive because he saves himself as a child when he tells his father about the purge thereby causing his father to banish him and his mother from the Island to save their lives.

But when I reconsider it sounds plausible. Miles was always meant to go back in time and save himself. If Miles had went back in time to kill himself as a baby, this would cause a paradox. But saving himself as a baby, perfectly doable!

... I think :confused:

* brain explodes *

Bax, I think it is doable. All the commercials on the air now show Dan saying any of us could die. Miles told Hurley that very thing in their time travel conversation. So, if Miles chooses to tell Chang who they are and what will happen, thereby making Chang force his wife and baby off the island, then it's not a paradox at all. It does sound real good. And like I said, it's heart warming and so sad all at the same time! What a tear jerker that'll be! OMG!!!

[tpbaxter]

Bax, I think it is doable. All the commercials on the air now show Dan saying any of us could die. Miles told Hurley that very thing in their time travel conversation. So, if Miles chooses to tell Chang who they are and what will happen, thereby making Chang force his wife and baby off the island, then it's not a paradox at all. It does sound real good. And like I said, it's heart warming and so sad all at the same time! What a tear jerker that'll be! OMG!!!

Miles dying is not really what seemed paradoxical to me, it was him saving himself as a baby. but i guess this is not a paradox either...

it's not really that much of a tear jerker though because we hardly know Miles. it's not the same as it was with Charlie dying. we invested three seasons into him. we saw him overcome his problems with drug addiction. Charlie provided humor and friendship and people already loved him before he died. Plus they were foreshadowing his death for weeks and people had begun to believe that he had overcome his fate.

Charlie, you will be missed. Miles, eh not so much...

[notsolost42]

Miles dying is not really what seemed paradoxical to me, it was him saving himself as a baby. but i guess this is not a paradox either...

it's not really that much of a tear jerker though because we hardly know Miles. it's not the same as it was with Charlie dying. we invested three seasons into him. we saw him overcome his problems with drug addiction. Charlie provided humor and friendship and people already loved him before he died. Plus they were foreshadowing his death for weeks and people had begun to believe that he had overcome his fate.

Charlie, you will be missed. Miles, eh not so much...

I would miss Miles. I was counting on his character to deliver some great insight into the show! lol. No, really, I like his character very much even though we don't know him all that well. He brings a certain type of comical satire in his attitude that works to offset some very tense moments. His character is very well written. One of my favorite Miles lines is when he and Dan first meet Jack, et al and they are tromping through the jungle. Dan gives his full name and occupation, and then Miles is asked. He just turns around an in this real sloppy, sincere and totally fake voice says with a big smile, I collect soil samples. It was hysterical to me!

[Landshark]

That sounds real good but I was hoping Miles would shed some light on our mysteries first! His special abilities are very helpful for us, the audience, to learn some facts. I think your ending is real sweet and heart warming and sad all at the same time. I do enjoy his character and hopes he stays around a lot longer though.

I'm with you, I like Miles also, but I have a sneaking suspicion Miles will talk to one last pivotal dead person. This, and his heroic act in the season finale, will close out his characters story I believe.

[notsolost42]

I'm with you, I like Miles also, but I have a sneaking suspicion Miles will talk to one last pivotal dead person. This, and his heroic act in the season finale, will close out his characters story I believe.

I have to reluctantly agree. He's not the narrator of our story so there's not too much he can do. But one last, very juicy reveal and a heroic, selfless sacrifice to save Chang and the island, man, what a way to go! Great job on your theory, by the way!

[Landshark]

I like it. My first inclination was to cry that this causes some irreconcilable paradox because in this story Miles is only alive because he saves himself as a child when he tells his father about the purge thereby causing his father to banish him and his mother from the Island to save their lives.

But when I reconsider it sounds plausible. Miles was always meant to go back in time and save himself. If Miles had went back in time to kill himself as a baby, this would cause a paradox. But saving himself as a baby, perfectly doable!

... I think :confused:

* brain explodes *

I thought about what, if any, paradox this could cause. I'm with you in that I don't see any problems with it, from a paradox standpoint.

[losttime]

Maybe he was a part of his life but was killed in the Purge but shipped Miles and his mother off the Island to save them from the Purge that they were warned about. She might have been just telling Miles that his dad left them so he wouldnt want to find out about his father and where he came from to protect him from whoever it was that wanted them all dead to begin with. We saw Pierre playin with baby Miles and seemed to be very involved with his son and loving. DOesnt make sense that all of the sudden he no longer has an interest in him or his wife. The opening scene of Season 5 showed Chang and his wife in bed and Pierrr waking up and tneding to Miles. I thought the mother told Miles that he was never a part of their lives? DOes this seem to make sense to anyone? I am not so sure that his mother was tellign himthe whole truth. We know lying is a popular characteristics of everyone on Lost. Well. of course everyone but Ben.

[tpbaxter]

We know lying is a popular characteristics of everyone on Lost. Well. of course everyone but Ben.

funny...

Why does Miles have to do something heroic by the way? I say Miles causes the incident on purpose in order to double his money yet again for a cool 6.4 million from Charles Widmore. Dr. Chang ships his wife and son off the Island to save them from the maniacal Miles Chang who seems hell bent on killing everyone on the Island.

That's my theory sucka!

P.S. I have been feeling compelled to call someone sucka for several weeks now. Thank you for this.

[LostandAlone]

interesting stuff kids....while we are on Change & Miles, did anyone notice the name of the book Change was reading to baby Miles? I'll give you a hint. It was "Me and My____ ____"

[MagicoA]

Miles will forgive his father for not being in his life.

Why do I think this?

I believe this because it is none other than Miles that causes it. I think Miles will be the first to tell Chang about the purge. Hurley sort of alluded to this, when he asked Miles why he doesn't tell them about the purge in Some Like it Hoth.

This may be a stretch, but I also think Miles will die in the season finale, in heroic fashion, saving his father life when the incident occurs. I think this will leave Chang one-armed, but Miles will die saving his life. it will almost be like a reverse Star Wars ending, with the son saving the father instead. Miles will be at peace because he will die knowing his father loved him, and he was the cause of his father not being there. He was pro-longing his and his mothers lives!
that makes sense to me and is not paradoxal at all its a perfect way for him to be "heroic" he probly tells chang and then figures out that he must die to save himself

interesting stuff kids....while we are on Change & Miles, did anyone notice the name of the book Change was reading to baby Miles? I'll give you a hint. It was "Me and My____ ____"
me and my.......big dickk?

[notsolost42]

interesting stuff kids....while we are on Change & Miles, did anyone notice the name of the book Change was reading to baby Miles? I'll give you a hint. It was "Me and My____ ____"

Yes, daddy Dr. Chang was reading Me and My POLAR BEAR to baby Miles Chang.

[LostandAlone]

Yes, daddy Dr. Chang was reading Me and My POLAR BEAR to baby Miles Chang.
very good NOTSo. I thought you would know!

[medusashairdresser]

that sounds pretty solid given that we know someone tells Chang about the purge, and it sounds likely that Miles is who we hear in the background on the Dhrama video.

[vonnie]

Great theory! I had believed that Chang sent Miles and mom away once he learned of the purge, but never thought about the possibility of Miles being the one to tell him about it. Miles mom may have been telling him what she thought was the truth, Chang probably did tell her he didn't want her around anymore for fear she would not go away otherwise.

[tpbaxter]

Here's a question, does Miles actually know about the Purge or the Incident in the first place?

[LostInSpaceTime]

hurley tells miles "you know they all die right?" and miles responds "yes"

[tpbaxter]

hurley tells miles "you know they all die right?" and miles responds "yes"

does he know how or why they die? does he have proof to bring before his father so that when he tells him he will believe it? everyone dies eventually so saying yes to that question might not be that revealing :).

[Landshark]

does he know how or why they die? does he have proof to bring before his father so that when he tells him he will believe it? everyone dies eventually so saying yes to that question might not be that revealing :).

I'd think the fact that his baby boy is all grown up and living within Dharma, while still changing the same baby boy's diapers is all the proof Chang needs ;).

I don't see any reason Chang wouldn't believe what Miles tells him, but if he demanded more proof I'd think Faraday would help provide it... One way or another.

[Turnip Queen]

Miles will forgive his father for not being in his life.

Why do I think this?

I believe this because it is none other than Miles that causes it. I think Miles will be the first to tell Chang about the purge. Hurley sort of alluded to this, when he asked Miles why he doesn't tell them about the purge in Some Like it Hoth.

This may be a stretch, but I also think Miles will die in the season finale, in heroic fashion, saving his father life when the incident occurs. I think this will leave Chang one-armed, but Miles will die saving his life. it will almost be like a reverse Star Wars ending, with the son saving the father instead. Miles will be at peace because he will die knowing his father loved him, and he was the cause of his father not being there. He was pro-longing his and his mothers lives!

Oooh that makes a lot of sense! That was such a great scene - imagine watching yourself as a baby in the arms of your da - it'd be so weird!

[Unbridled Pageantry]

does he know how or why they die? does he have proof to bring before his father so that when he tells him he will believe it? everyone dies eventually so saying yes to that question might not be that revealing :).

He spent three years hanging around with Sawyer and Juliet. I'm sure at one point in that time they mentioned the purge. Juliet would know about it, and Sawyer knows about the "Pit 'O' Dead Dharma" from Locke telling him about taller ghost Walt.

[tpbaxter]

He spent three years hanging around with Sawyer and Juliet. I'm sure at one point in that time they mentioned the purge. Juliet would know about it, and Sawyer knows about the "Pit 'O' Dead Dharma" from Locke telling him about taller ghost Walt.

I'm really asking cause I don't know, how do sawyer & juliet know about the purge?

[Unbridled Pageantry]

I'm really asking cause I don't know, how do sawyer & juliet know about the purge?


I don't think that it's ever been shown Locke precisely explaining the purge. I'm just taking from him telling Sawyer about almost dying in the pit of dead Dharma that he would have explained what had happened to them.

[swaded420]

He spent three years hanging around with Sawyer and Juliet. I'm sure at one point in that time they mentioned the purge. Juliet would know about it, and Sawyer knows about the "Pit 'O' Dead Dharma" from Locke telling him about taller ghost Walt.

This post has nothing to do with Miles and his dad, but more so with the (seemingly) insignificant "taller ghost Walt." Now that you mention it, I do remember Locke saying that Walt looked taller. Why would TPTB throw this in there? (Similar to them throwing in the comment about Richard's eyeliner.) Obviously, Walt appeared taller than he should have been because over the course of the show, he was growing faster than they could film and air the series. (But with the odd angles they used in that scene [I remember cause I just recently, maybe last night even, watched the episode where Walt appears to Locke], looking up at him, doing a close up of his face, etc, they were able to hide it pretty well, so why mention it and make it a well known fact?) On top of that, we know that Walt is very special. Once he admitted that he and Walt were separated during Walt's childhood, the black woman who was asking Michael questions about Walt (forgot her name) asked if Walt ever appeared somewhere he shouldn't be. Umm.. sounds like Walt has the ability to travel thousands of miles instantaneously so that he can guide or comfort someone who needs him. Based on that, I'd say that the Walt that Locke saw, was the real Walt. Back to my original point.. if that was the real Walt, and it was confirmed that Walt was indeed taller at that point in time, does that mean that it closer to being confirmed that island time is skewed from the rest of the world time? Locke's comment on Walt's growth would imply that the kid had grown noticeably since the last time Locke had seen him only a month or two previously (if even). So while it seemed to the island residents that only a short amount of time had passed, the outside world had progressed significantly more. Hmm.. I probably should've started a whole new thread for this, but my temples are throbbing a little and it hurts to think, so I better stop now.

[tpbaxter]

This post has nothing to do with Miles and his dad, but more so with the (seemingly) insignificant "taller ghost Walt." Now that you mention it, I do remember Locke saying that Walt looked taller. Why would TPTB throw this in there? (Similar to them throwing in the comment about Richard's eyeliner.) Obviously, Walt appeared taller than he should have been because over the course of the show, he was growing faster than they could film and air the series. (But with the odd angles they used in that scene [I remember cause I just recently, maybe last night even, watched the episode where Walt appears to Locke], looking up at him, doing a close up of his face, etc, they were able to hide it pretty well, so why mention it and make it a well known fact?) On top of that, we know that Walt is very special. Once he admitted that he and Walt were separated during Walt's childhood, the black woman who was asking Michael questions about Walt (forgot her name) asked if Walt ever appeared somewhere he shouldn't be. Umm.. sounds like Walt has the ability to travel thousands of miles instantaneously so that he can guide or comfort someone who needs him. Based on that, I'd say that the Walt that Locke saw, was the real Walt. Back to my original point.. if that was the real Walt, and it was confirmed that Walt was indeed taller at that point in time, does that mean that it closer to being confirmed that island time is skewed from the rest of the world time? Locke's comment on Walt's growth would imply that the kid had grown noticeably since the last time Locke had seen him only a month or two previously (if even). So while it seemed to the island residents that only a short amount of time had passed, the outside world had progressed significantly more. Hmm.. I probably should've started a whole new thread for this, but my temples are throbbing a little and it hurts to think, so I better stop now.

temple throbbing and pain when thinking are usually a surefire sign to stop doing whatever you are doing ;).

this thread wasn't actually about Walt as you suggested, but I think you're making it into one, which is all good with me. I say Locke mentioned Walt's height because 1) the writers were addressing Lost's obsessed fans directly, knowing they would demand some explanation for his sudden growth. I guess Locke's comments don't explain it, but it at least shows the writer's are aware of it and it is not to be taken as a production error type of thing and 2) I think Walt may have the ability to time travel? The difference in time on and off the Island does not seem that exaggerated as evidenced by 3 years off the Island for Lost escapees vs. 3 years on the Island for Lost DHARMA members? But for Walt, it seems possible that his visit to Locke's grave seemed like just a dream for him? I wonder if Locke will get another visit from Walt later when he is wearing a suit and surrounded by danger as implied by Walt's most recent comments to Locke?

Back to the other stuff we were talking about, it does seem strange that most people seem to somehow be up to date on what happens with the DHARMA people or simply don't seem to care. Miles and Sawyer both seemed to imply that they know something but don't care very much. It's weird.

[swaded420]

temple throbbing and pain when thinking are usually a surefire sign to stop doing whatever you are doing ;).

2) I think Walt may have the ability to time travel? The difference in time on and off the Island does not seem that exaggerated as evidenced by 3 years off the Island for Lost escapees vs. 3 years on the Island for Lost DHARMA members? But for Walt, it seems possible that his visit to Locke's grave seemed like just a dream for him? I wonder if Locke will get another visit from Walt later when he is wearing a suit and surrounded by danger as implied by Walt's most recent comments to Locke?


I was contemplating the exact same fact about 3 years for Dharma Losties and 3 years for off-island Losties when I was typing it up, but in my mind, I actually forced myself to completely disregard this because they were in completely different time periods, and thus the connection between how they experience time would be irrelevant (for lack of the better word that I can't think of right now. It's already hurting a little. :(). And for some reason, my mind is still telling me to ignore the idea that island time passes at the same rate as the outside world.. I would be most likely to accept the idea that the way island time goes is connected by the important people to the island. To rephrase that, I'd be more inclined to accept that Sawyer (on island) experiences approximately the same amount of time as Jack (off island), because they're lives and fates are connected via the island. I think the main reason that I decline the idea that the island and the rest of the world move through time at the same pace is because.. well, they don't, because of the time traveling, I think. Furthermore, I think that the difference is different all the time (I just blew a fuse up there, I know it!). Example.. the doctor who was killed on the freighter washed onto the shore of the island a significant amount of time BEFORE we saw him actually be killed on the freighter. On the contrary, the beacon (or whatever) that was sent from the freighter arrived on the island a less significant amount of time AFTER it really did (according to Regina). All this suggests that the time difference between island time and outside-island time depends purely on the island, I guess. So maybe when Walt appeared at the edge of the pit, the difference between the island time and outside-island time was a full year or so. Time to stop again.

Argh, I stopped and then realized that I forgot to discuss the dream scenario. I like that idea. Maybe Walt was sleeping at his grandma's house sometime after he got off the island, yada yada, had a dream that he was on the island talking to Locke. Makes sense. I've also been wondering about him being in a suit surrounded by people who wanted to hurt him. Are we still yet to see that? I worry that it already happened though, when he and Ben were about to take one of the boats and Caesar was giving him sh**, only to take a shotgun blast to the chest via Ben.

[Landshark]

Back to the other stuff we were talking about, it does seem strange that most people seem to somehow be up to date on what happens with the DHARMA people or simply don't seem to care. Miles and Sawyer both seemed to imply that they know something but don't care very much. It's weird.

I agree. It's like they have the "we'll deal with it when it's time", attitude. It's very weird how Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, and Jin all seem to be so comfortable living this big lie. Especially when they all know Dharma gets wiped out eventually.

[tpbaxter]

I was contemplating the exact same fact about 3 years for Dharma Losties and 3 years for off-island Losties when I was typing it up, but in my mind, I actually forced myself to completely disregard this because they were in completely different time periods, and thus the connection between how they experience time would be irrelevant (for lack of the better word that I can't think of right now. It's already hurting a little. :(). And for some reason, my mind is still telling me to ignore the idea that island time passes at the same rate as the outside world.. I would be most likely to accept the idea that the way island time goes is connected by the important people to the island. To rephrase that, I'd be more inclined to accept that Sawyer (on island) experiences approximately the same amount of time as Jack (off island), because they're lives and fates are connected via the island. I think the main reason that I decline the idea that the island and the rest of the world move through time at the same pace is because.. well, they don't, because of the time traveling, I think. Furthermore, I think that the difference is different all the time (I just blew a fuse up there, I know it!). Example.. the doctor who was killed on the freighter washed onto the shore of the island a significant amount of time BEFORE we saw him actually be killed on the freighter. On the contrary, the beacon (or whatever) that was sent from the freighter arrived on the island a less significant amount of time AFTER it really did (according to Regina). All this suggests that the time difference between island time and outside-island time depends purely on the island, I guess. So maybe when Walt appeared at the edge of the pit, the difference between the island time and outside-island time was a full year or so. Time to stop again.

Argh, I stopped and then realized that I forgot to discuss the dream scenario. I like that idea. Maybe Walt was sleeping at his grandma's house sometime after he got off the island, yada yada, had a dream that he was on the island talking to Locke. Makes sense. I've also been wondering about him being in a suit surrounded by people who wanted to hurt him. Are we still yet to see that? I worry that it already happened though, when he and Ben were about to take one of the boats and Caesar was giving him sh**, only to take a shotgun blast to the chest via Ben.

well I believe Ben is still wearing a suit, so that scenario is still possible?

the idea of time on and off the Island hurts my brain too actually so I won't get into it much. There's a bunch of things going on there though (most of which have probably been discussed ad nauseum here). I remember when Mikhail was showing a live feed of Alpert and Juliet's sister which seemed to indicate that time was the same in both places.

Also if time had passed off the Island for Walt such that he aged several years while only a few months had passed for Locke, then wouldn't Walt be much much older by the time he arrives in New York to meet with him? I guess this theory doesn't hold much weight since it's possible that Locke traveled backwards in time when he turned the wheel? (or forwards for that matter. I am getting confused now).

The last thing I can think of: Faraday saw the body before he was killed on the boat. This implies that the people on the Island are actually ahead of people off it. If that's the case then why is Walt older when he sees Locke?

[swaded420]

well I believe Locke (correction. I know, it's late for me, too, I'm calling it a night soon before I start bleeding from the ears.) is still wearing a suit, so that scenario is still possible?

the idea of time on and off the Island hurts my brain too actually so I won't get into it much. There's a bunch of things going on there though (most of which have probably been discussed ad nauseum here). I remember when Mikhail was showing a live feed of Alpert and Juliet's sister which seemed to indicate that time was the same in both places.

Also if time had passed off the Island for Walt such that he aged several years while only a few months had passed for Locke, then wouldn't Walt be much much older by the time he arrives in New York to meet with him? I guess this theory doesn't hold much weight since it's possible that Locke traveled backwards in time when he turned the wheel? (or forwards for that matter. I am getting confused now).

Yes, that's a good point about Walt and Locke meeting in New York.. Widmore did say that it had been three years since the plane crash or whatever, so perhaps when Locke turned the wheel, not only did jump forward or backward in time to move into the same time as the rest of the world, but he also jumped forward three years.

Now that I think about it though, I feel like Locke arriving three years in the future (while Ben only arrived 9 months in the future) adds to my theory. Maybe at the moment when Ben turned the wheel, the island time (which appeared to be flowing normally for everyone on it) was actually 9 months ahead of the rest of the world. But then, some hours or days later, when Locke turned the wheel, the island time (which was jumping sporadically for the Losties) was actually 3 years ahead of the rest of the world. So while it seemed as though only a short period of time had passed for people on the island, a much larger amount of time had passed outside. This all kind of adds to my idea that island time and off-island time are completely independent of each other, and also plays into Ms. Hawking's statement that the island is always moving through time and space.

The last thing I can think of: Faraday saw the body before he was killed on the boat. This implies that the people on the Island are actually ahead of people off it. If that's the case then why is Walt older when he sees Locke?

That's what I'm saying! It's all screwed up, I don't get it. At that moment, they were ahead of the rest of the world, but then an hour later when that little missile thing was fired from the freighter, Regina said it arrived at Daniel's position, but it didn't! And then, half an hour later (that's a guess, I don't know how long it really was for Dan) it shows up, which means that they were actually behind the rest of the world in time! Uh-oh.. I think I feel a nosebleed coming on..

[notsolost42]

Yes, that's a good point about Walt and Locke meeting in New York.. Widmore did say that it had been three years since the plane crash or whatever, so perhaps when Locke turned the wheel, not only did jump forward or backward in time to move into the same time as the rest of the world, but he also jumped forward three years.

Now that I think about it though, I feel like Locke arriving three years in the future (while Ben only arrived 9 months in the future) adds to my theory. Maybe at the moment when Ben turned the wheel, the island time (which appeared to be flowing normally for everyone on it) was actually 9 months ahead of the rest of the world. But then, some hours or days later, when Locke turned the wheel, the island time (which was jumping sporadically for the Losties) was actually 3 years ahead of the rest of the world. So while it seemed as though only a short period of time had passed for people on the island, a much larger amount of time had passed outside. This all kind of adds to my idea that island time and off-island time are completely independent of each other, and also plays into Ms. Hawking's statement that the island is always moving through time and space.



That's what I'm saying! It's all screwed up, I don't get it. At that moment, they were ahead of the rest of the world, but then an hour later when that little missile thing was fired from the freighter, Regina said it arrived at Daniel's position, but it didn't! And then, half an hour later (that's a guess, I don't know how long it really was for Dan) it shows up, which means that they were actually behind the rest of the world in time! Uh-oh.. I think I feel a nosebleed coming on..

Let me ask you this. What stops someone from aging? The answer is traveling at light speed. The island time is and always was different than the real world until it wasn't. I think that happened when the Swan imploded. It suddenly slowed the island to normal, real world time and now the island is aging rapidly. Okay, I just had to stick my two cents in. Hope you don't mind.:)

[swaded420]

Let me ask you this. What stops someone from aging? The answer is traveling at light speed. The island time is and always was different than the real world until it wasn't. I think that happened when the Swan imploded. It suddenly slowed the island to normal, real world time and now the island is aging rapidly. Okay, I just had to stick my two cents in. Hope you don't mind.:)

I never mind your two cents, you are a brilliant thinker, always positive and open-minded, and always have a great point. Only thing is.. I don't like being asked a question without having a chance to answer before you give it away! :mad:

...Just kidding. You're great.. except I was about to go to bed until I saw this. :p

So what you're essentially saying is that the extraordinary source of electromagnetism on the island was in a way moving the island at the speed of light through space-time? And now that whatever happened at the time of the implosion happened, the island time has slowed to a crawl (compared to how it was moving before)? The thing about this that doesn't make sense to me is that after the implosion, the island time is still off from the rest of the world.....

I had more to add on the topic, but I'm so very tired and my mind is in a haze, and my thoughts faded away, so I'm just gonna stop here. I'd love to hear more on this, but I'm going to bed for real this time, so I do hope you'll get back to me, and if you do, I'll get back to you tomorrow night probably. Good night (I'm serious this time, I swear!).

[notsolost42]

I never mind your two cents, you are a brilliant thinker, always positive and open-minded, and always have a great point. Only thing is.. I don't like being asked a question without having a chance to answer before you give it away! :mad:

...Just kidding. You're great.. except I was about to go to bed until I saw this. :p

So what you're essentially saying is that the extraordinary source of electromagnetism on the island was in a way moving the island at the speed of light through space-time? And now that whatever happened at the time of the implosion happened, the island time has slowed to a crawl (compared to how it was moving before)? The thing about this that doesn't make sense to me is that after the implosion, the island time is still off from the rest of the world.....

I had more to add on the topic, but I'm so very tired and my mind is in a haze, and my thoughts faded away, so I'm just gonna stop here. I'd love to hear more on this, but I'm going to bed for real this time, so I do hope you'll get back to me, and if you do, I'll get back to you tomorrow night probably. Good night (I'm serious this time, I swear!).

No problem. Get your rest. Read this tomorrow! The mathematic equations on Dan's journal page with the spheres led me down an interesting path. I followed them all the way to a Schwarzchild Black Hole. The island time may have been slowing when Dan did his experiment and the doc washed ashore. But now, in 2007 island time that is, we see the island appears to have aged a lot. It is very run down for not having been occupied for only three years. And Richard, why did he need eyeglasses during the flashes to help Locke by the beechcraft? And Sawyer, he only needed reading glasses and then suddenly, in three short years this young man needs glasses for distance to drive? No, that normally comes with age. I should know. I'm old. lol. Also, have you ever even noticed one leaf drop from a tree on the island? No. Not really. Yet, when Sun and Frank were talking to Christian the leaves were falling. The island is rapidly aging. The only other explanation there could be is that the Others and the DI all died off a long time before and everything changed or never happened.