New thought on Mikhial...

[Jeremy]

I guess it's not really important now but it's still interesting to me.

Well, people thought it was kinda rediculous how Mikhial kept coming back from the dead, like the fence apparently not being set to a lethal level. Well there was one other character who kept barely escaping death: Charlie.

What if Mikhial was kind of like a last resort? Or course correction? Like if Charlie got struck by lightning or drowned trying to save Claire, then maybe Mikhial would have died afterall when he got pushed into the fence. Charlie didn't die though, and he didn't get killed by the arrow either, and then Mikhial makes his first appearance since his "death" just in time to save Naomi. Coincidense?

After all, both Charlie and Mikhial did die at the same time, apparently...

[tpbaxter]

I guess it's not really important now but it's still interesting to me.

Well, people thought it was kinda rediculous how Mikhial kept coming back from the dead, like the fence apparently not being set to a lethal level. Well there was one other character who kept barely escaping death: Charlie.

What if Mikhial was kind of like a last resort? Or course correction? Like if Charlie got struck by lightning or drowned trying to save Claire, then maybe Mikhial would have died afterall when he got pushed into the fence. Charlie didn't die though, and he didn't get killed by the arrow either, and then Mikhial makes his first appearance since his "death" just in time to save Naomi. Coincidense?

After all, both Charlie and Mikhial did die at the same time, apparently...

good theory. it's possible. I don't know?

another possibility: It was always written that Desmond would try to save Charlie Pace and that Charlie was always going to die the way he did. Desmond never saved Charlie, he just played his role in Charlie's story the way he was supposed to.

1 more option: Desmond filled Charlie's brain with thoughts that he had to die so when the opportunity arised, Charlie fulfilled Desmond's prophecy. Had Desmond not told him this, perhaps he would have locked himself out of the room that Mikhail flooded rather than inside of it. I've always wondered why Charlie felt he had to lock himself in there and it may be because he believed and accepted that he had to die.

This whole question seems to play into this fate vs. free will thing again which seems to be a central theme of the show.

[tpbaxter]

hmm.. one more thing, i guess i kind of have to rewatch the episodes because i don't remember fully how it played out now, but it seems like Desmond's superpower was to have his mind skip around in time, not foresee the future. he was not psychic and the only person he had visions about seem to have been Charlie Pace. maybe the visions of Charlie's death he had were really the Island manipulating him like it did with Eko and his brother? The Island wanted Charlie to save the Looking Glass, not fate...

apologies if this theory has already been said before by the way (I think it has?).

[tpbaxter]

now I'm babbling and probably getting off topic, but I just wondered if what happened in the Looking Glass station was physically possible.

I remember seeing a Myth Busters episode where they examined the ways of getting out of a sinking car. I think I remember they proved that if someone were to try to break the window of a fully submerged vehicle, the difference in pressure would crush the car and its occupants?

I'm wondering if that's what would really happen if Mikhail blew up one window of an underwater station?

[notsolost42]

now I'm babbling and probably getting off topic, but I just wondered if what happened in the Looking Glass station was physically possible.

I remember seeing a Myth Busters episode where they examined the ways of getting out of a sinking car. I think I remember they proved that if someone were to try to break the window of a fully submerged vehicle, the difference in pressure would crush the car and its occupants?
I'm wondering if that's what would really happen if Mikhail blew up one window of an underwater station?

I live in Florida. Every other day there's a car that winds up in water somewhere. It is very difficult to break the window due to the water pressure on the outside, but you can do it, sometimes. They have special tools, I digress. I guess if the car were in the ocean and really deep, like Charlie was, if he was in a car, that might happen. But he was in a building meant to be underwater. I go with what they wrote. It may be a tiny bit sketchy but it sounds mostly right to me! lol..

[R.I.P.Charlie]

They have a special hammer that you use in case you are submerged. It very small with a point on the end. I agree with notso the glass might have been a little bit more thick for a underwater station

[tpbaxter]

while my mind is wandering around the Looking Glass station, its purpose was to help hide the Island and guide other ships to it, right? That means the Island was physically there, it was just hard to find. Which makes me wonder, should the Island be on Google Maps somewhere?

Seriously I think the story of how the Island has remained hidden for so long has not been fully explained rationally yet? I don't understand why a satellite would not see it.

[notsolost42]

while my mind is wandering around the Looking Glass station, its purpose was to help hide the Island and guide other ships to it, right? That means the Island was physically there, it was just hard to find. Which makes me wonder, should the Island be on Google Maps somewhere?

Seriously I think the story of how the Island has remained hidden for so long has not been fully explained rationally yet? I don't understand why a satellite would not see it.

Because light bends around it, causing a cloaking effect. This has actually been reproduced in a labratory and is no longer just for Harry Potter. Of course, it was done on a very minute scale, nano I believe, but it was done. Unbelievable! You'll probably see cloaking devices in your lifetime Bax, for real! I am so jealous!

[tpbaxter]

hmm...

* scratches chin and thinks *

notsolost42, your comments have somehow made my chin itchy...

[notsolost42]

hmm...

* scratches chin and thinks *

notsolost42, your comments have somehow made my chin itchy...

As long as they don't make your nose bleed Bax....
That's why Dan made his comment about how the light scattered. I did lots of research about light scatter. Too much. No one should know that much about light scatter. It's immoral and should be illegal. It's getting late and I'm loosing it...

[Lost Down Under]

So.......if I'm driving around in my car and I crash into water and start sinking, how would I get out? Do I smash the window? Or roll it down slowly? (I'm glad this has been brought up, coz it's something I've been thinking alot about recently for some strange reason.)

[tpbaxter]

haha ok. nice work though.

this has nothing to do with anything, but while I was looking up cloaking devices on wikipedia I stumbled on to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment. The synopsis is cool.

[tpbaxter]

So.......if I'm driving around in my car and I crash into water and start sinking, how would I get out? Do I smash the window? Or roll it down slowly? (I'm glad this has been brought up, coz it's something I've been thinking alot about recently for some strange reason.)

I think your supposed to roll down your windows before the car becomes submerged. this will keep the pressure inside the car the same as the outside. of course this will also mean the interior of your car will become flooded and if you had time to roll down your windows, why not get out of the car then before the car goes underwater?

[notsolost42]

So.......if I'm driving around in my car and I crash into water and start sinking, how would I get out? Do I smash the window? Or roll it down slowly? (I'm glad this has been brought up, coz it's something I've been thinking alot about recently for some strange reason.)

It depends if you have electric or manual windows. If they are electric, chances are they will not work after you sink. It is very difficult to smash the window under water due to the water pressure. Hey, if you're in Austrailia, wouldn't it all work backwards anyway? Like how water goes down the drain counter clockwise! lol.

haha ok. nice work though.

this has nothing to do with anything, but while I was looking up cloaking devices on wikipedia I stumbled on to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment. The synopsis is cool.

Cool huh? A few people have made comparisons to Lost. You should read the book. I bet you'd enjoy it!

[Lost Down Under]

[QUOTE=notsolost42;203016]It depends if you have electric or manual windows. If they are electric, chances are they will not work after you sink. It is very difficult to smash the window under water due to the water pressure. Hey, if you're in Austrailia, wouldn't it all work backwards anyway? Like how water goes down the drain counter clockwise! lol.

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Damn it, I have electric windows. )And because it all works backwards then my windows would already be down and I would roll them up to get out....:P). Gosh, now I'm panicking. Could I just open the doors do ya think?

[tpbaxter]

haha i forgot about electric windows. i drive a pos honda civic and I have to go old school and roll that sh*t down manually. you guys won't be laughing at me when I'm about to be submerged underwater!

i'm not sure, I think the water pressure may make it hard to open the doors? I'm guessing you better smash the windows before you go under?

[notsolost42]

[QUOTE=notsolost42;203016]It depends if you have electric or manual windows. If they are electric, chances are they will not work after you sink. It is very difficult to smash the window under water due to the water pressure. Hey, if you're in Austrailia, wouldn't it all work backwards anyway? Like how water goes down the drain counter clockwise! lol.

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Damn it, I have electric windows. )And because it all works backwards then my windows would already be down and I would roll them up to get out....:P). Gosh, now I'm panicking. Could I just open the doors do ya think?

LOL! :D You need to lower your windows as soon as you think you're gonna hit the water. Grab a towel and hang on to it. And above all, DON'T PANIC!!! ;) That's the Whovian method of survival.

[Lost Down Under]

Great - lower windows before hitting the water. I wonder if I will have time to turn the air con off before I lower the window?

lower windows before hitting the water
lower windows before hitting the water

note to self: keep a towel handy in the car

Thanks notso....I knew there was an easy answer

[wiley]

You know Charlie should have not died in that episode according to physics. When the water in the chamber reached the top of the porthole (which was big enough for him fit through) an air pocket would have been trapped above the level of the window, he would have been able to breathe. Also if had just left the door open the water would have not reached any higher than the top of the porthole in that little room, and him and Desmond could have swam out the way they came in.
So much for REAL science.

[tpbaxter]

couple of things:

Just because I'm not sure I understand everything that has been discussed, even if you had the right tools to break upon a car window while it was underwater, you probably wouldn't want to try it as doing so would probably result in the car being crushed. this would be particularly bad if you were inside the car.

You know Charlie should have not died in that episode according to physics. When the water in the chamber reached the top of the porthole (which was big enough for him fit through) an air pocket would have been trapped above the level of the window, he would have been able to breathe. Also if had just left the door open the water would have not reached any higher than the top of the porthole in that little room, and him and Desmond could have swam out the way they came in.
So much for REAL science.

I don't understand why the water wouldn't reach higher than the porthole? Another dumb question that I may have understood at one point, but I also don't understand how that pool entrance works. If there's a hole in the bottom of the station, why doesn't it get flooded?

Finally, I just want to say that this talk of the Looking Glass Station has inspired me to make another post in the boobie station. thank you.

[wiley]

couple of things:

Just because I'm not sure I understand everything that has been discussed, even if you had the right tools to break upon a car window while it was underwater, you probably wouldn't want to try it as doing so would probably result in the car being crushed. this would be particularly bad if you were inside the car.



I don't understand why the water wouldn't reach higher than the porthole? Another dumb question that I may have understood at one point, but I also don't understand how that pool entrance works. If there's a hole in the bottom of the station, why doesn't it get flooded?

Finally, I just want to say that this talk of the Looking Glass Station has inspired me to make another post in the boobie station. thank you.

Actually what would have happened when that window was broken and had the door remained open, is that the water in the moon pool (at the bottom of the station) would have risen slowly pushing the air OUT of the porthole until the water leveled out at the top of the porthole. No pressure changes would have occurred and the occupants would have all survived.

[Jeremy]

couple of things:

Just because I'm not sure I understand everything that has been discussed, even if you had the right tools to break upon a car window while it was underwater, you probably wouldn't want to try it as doing so would probably result in the car being crushed. this would be particularly bad if you were inside the car.



I don't understand why the water wouldn't reach higher than the porthole? Another dumb question that I may have understood at one point, but I also don't understand how that pool entrance works. If there's a hole in the bottom of the station, why doesn't it get flooded?

Finally, I just want to say that this talk of the Looking Glass Station has inspired me to make another post in the boobie station. thank you.

Well, if you hold a glass upside-down and submerge it, their will be a pocket of air inside it. Not sure how they could lower something as large as the Looking Glass into the ocean, but whatever.

I've wondered for a while about Dan's comment about the light scattering back in 'Confirmed Dead'. Guess I thought it had something to do with the electromagnetic energy, but I'm no scientist.

[wiley]

Well, if you hold a glass upside-down and submerge it, their will be a pocket of air inside it. Not sure how they could lower something as large as the Looking Glass into the ocean, but whatever.



Yes and if you use a plastic cup and poke a hole in it above the water line in the cup, you will see air come out of the hole not water going in and the water level will rise in the cup until it gets to the hole.