The statue's gender revealed! *Minor Spoiler*

[The Mighty Musnud]

*Minor Spoiler Ahead*

The following excerpt is taken from this interview (http://www.bullz-eye.com/television/interviews/2009/lost.htm) with Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof on Bullz-eye.com:

___________________________________

BE: Are we ever going to see more of the front of the giant statue?

DL: Why, you didn’t like his back?

BE: Sorry, we need more.

DL: What about his side? Or what about an overhead view? Let’s negotiate here.

___________________________________

DL clearly uses the male pronoun his here not once, but twice. Granted, he may have just been giving a general answer to avoid providing any specifics. However, one would assume that if that were his intent, he would have used the gender-neutral "its" instead of "his."

I believe these statements eliminate the possibility that the statue is Bast or Taweret as several people have speculated on these boards.

I'm still holding firm to the idea that the statue is either Ra or Anubis. :cool:

[lmnop]

Your avatar looks like naomi's wig.

[MagicoA]

*Minor Spoiler Ahead*

The following excerpt is taken from this interview (http://www.bullz-eye.com/television/interviews/2009/lost.htm) with Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof on Bullz-eye.com:

___________________________________

BE: Are we ever going to see more of the front of the giant statue?

DL: Why, you didn’t like his back?

BE: Sorry, we need more.

DL: What about his side? Or what about an overhead view? Let’s negotiate here.

___________________________________

DL clearly uses the male pronoun his here not once, but twice. Granted, he may have just been giving a general answer to avoid providing any specifics. However, one would assume that if that were his intent, he would have used the gender-neutral "its" instead of "his."

I believe these statements eliminate the possibility that the statue is Bast or Taweret as several people have speculated on these boards.

I'm still holding firm to the idea that the statue is either Ra or Anubis. :cool:
well im gonna and have gone with RA since the theories of what it is came out cuz DUH! RA=Richard Alpert

[The Mighty Musnud]

lmnop, heh... I thought her hair looked fine...

MagicoA, I agree with you about Richard being Ra. I am curious, though, (if the statue IS Ra) if we are going to see his face on the statue or an animal's face. The ears from the back seem to suggest the latter.

[Greg Dharma]

I've studied Egyptology since i was 15 years old. i own the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Metu Neter, and many other credible sources which i read regularly. That's why i can tell you, well, duh! the gender of the statue wasn't really questionable, except among people who don't really know what they're talking about, since Anubis, lord of the dead and judge of souls, not only is the only Egyptian deity which makes sense on an island which is a "place of death" [and, conversely, eternal life] to paraphrase Charlotte, but also clearly depicted on the wall hieroglyphs in the temple [which lies in the shadow of the statue, perhaps], commanding Smokey aka Cerebus aka Amemit. i have a papyri i got in Giza which depicts a similar scene. well, not exactly, but close enough so that it's obvious where the inspiration came from.

Bast would make little sense[her less-docile counterpart, Sekhmet, is more likely], since she is the goddest of domesticity and femininity,and not otherwise associated with anything resembling an amorphous, shape-shifting smoke monster who can assume the form of people in our memories. The Richard Alpert/RA connection is intriguing and perhaps more than coincidental, but unlikely as far as the statue's identity.

According to the noted Egyptologist E.A. Wallis Budge, "Ra is usually depicted with the body of a man and the head of a hawk" (though often the god is pictured as a sun-disk or a hawk-headed man with a sun-disk [Amen-Ra], which distinguishes him from the other hawk-headed Egyptian god, Horus); the statue's head appears to be more Jackal-like. Also, if you want to get technical, we spell Ra with "r" and "a," but the Kemetic pronunciation is closer to "Re."

It is possible that the islanders--who may have been Egyptian colonists or descendents as per the Argonaut myth [which has Egyptian origins which precede Greek civilization]--mixed and matched, if you will, as variations and combo-Gods who embodied aspects of several deities were fairly common. Also Osiris the resurrected "becomes" Ra, and Ra himself is manifested in every other deity -- so the egyptians were both monotheistic and polytheistic simultaneously. that's so confusing, it kinda sounds like Lost's plotline, huh?

Anyway, an Anubis cult on a pacific island far from Thebes and Giza might not have worshipped Anubis in a completely orthodox manner. or they could have started out othrodox and evolved over time. Tawaret's headdress on an Anubis statue holding an extra Ankh isn't necessarily implausible--certainly less implausible than a wheel regulating time travel, a giant rock with electromagnetic energy embedded within it, and Christian Shephard's shoes becoming a means of bringing a dead man back to life are.

[notsolost42]

I've studied Egyptology since i was 15 years old. i own the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Metu Neter, and many other credible sources which i read regularly. That's why i can tell you, well, duh! the gender of the statue wasn't really questionable, except among people who don't really know what they're talking about, since Anubis, lord of the dead and judge of souls, not only is the only Egyptian deity which makes sense on an island which is a "place of death" [and, conversely, eternal life] to paraphrase Charlotte, but also clearly depicted on the wall hieroglyphs in the temple [which lies in the shadow of the statue, perhaps], commanding Smokey aka Cerebus aka Amemit. i have a papyri i got in Giza which depicts a similar scene. well, not exactly, but close enough so that it's obvious where the inspiration came from.

Bast would make little sense[her less-docile counterpart, Sekhmet, is more likely], since she is the goddest of domesticity and femininity,and not otherwise associated with anything resembling an amorphous, shape-shifting smoke monster who can assume the form of people in our memories. The Richard Alpert/RA connection is intriguing and perhaps more than coincidental, but unlikely as far as the statue's identity.

According to the noted Egyptologist E.A. Wallis Budge, "Ra is usually depicted with the body of a man and the head of a hawk" (though often the god is pictured as a sun-disk or a hawk-headed man with a sun-disk [Amen-Ra], which distinguishes him from the other hawk-headed Egyptian god, Horus); the statue's head appears to be more Jackal-like. Also, if you want to get technical, we spell Ra with "r" and "a," but the Kemetic pronunciation is closer to "Re."

It is possible that the islanders--who may have been Egyptian colonists or descendents as per the Argonaut myth [which has Egyptian origins which precede Greek civilization]--mixed and matched, if you will, as variations and combo-Gods who embodied aspects of several deities were fairly common. Also Osiris the resurrected "becomes" Ra, and Ra himself is manifested in every other deity -- so the egyptians were both monotheistic and polytheistic simultaneously. that's so confusing, it kinda sounds like Lost's plotline, huh?

Anyway, an Anubis cult on a pacific island far from Thebes and Giza might not have worshipped Anubis in a completely orthodox manner. or they could have started out othrodox and evolved over time. Tawaret's headdress on an Anubis statue holding an extra Ankh isn't necessarily implausible--certainly less implausible than a wheel regulating time travel, a giant rock with electromagnetic energy embedded within it, and Christian Shephard's shoes becoming a means of bringing a dead man back to life are.

So what are you now, like 19? Who said the statue has to represent the smoke monster? I don't get your attitude. Bast is a very good candidate as she is also the goddess of fertility and that would tie in with our losties/others. Bast "wears many hats" and these are some of what I found:

Bast is the Goddess of cats.

Bast is the Goddess of the rising sun.

Bast is the Goddess of enlightenment.

Bast is the Goddess of truth.

Bast is the Goddess of lesbians.

Bast is the Goddess of civilization, bounty, and plenty.

Bast is the Goddess of the household and protector of the home.

Bast is the enlightened Maiden of the Triple Goddess.

Bast is the Goddess of Goddess of creation.

Bast is the Goddess of sex, fertility, and birth.

Bast is the Goddess of physical pleasures.

Bast is the Goddess of bountiful positive energy.

Bast is the Goddess of music, dance, and the arts. The priestesses of Bast were known for their erotic dance ritual, the forerunner of modern erotic dance and stripping.

Bast is the Goddess of hemp and marijuana.

Bast is the Goddess of the moon and possessor of the Utchat, the Eye of Her twin brother Heru Sa Aset [Horus].

I wouldn't rule anything out at this point.

[The Mighty Musnud]

So what are you now, like 19? Who said the statue has to represent the smoke monster? I don't get your attitude. Bast is a very good candidate as she is also the goddess of fertility and that would tie in with our losties/others. Bast "wears many hats" and these are some of what I found:

Bast is the Goddess of cats.

Bast is the Goddess of the rising sun.

Bast is the Goddess of enlightenment.

Bast is the Goddess of truth.

Bast is the Goddess of lesbians.

Bast is the Goddess of civilization, bounty, and plenty.

Bast is the Goddess of the household and protector of the home.

Bast is the enlightened Maiden of the Triple Goddess.

Bast is the Goddess of Goddess of creation.

Bast is the Goddess of sex, fertility, and birth.

Bast is the Goddess of physical pleasures.

Bast is the Goddess of bountiful positive energy.

Bast is the Goddess of music, dance, and the arts. The priestesses of Bast were known for their erotic dance ritual, the forerunner of modern erotic dance and stripping.

Bast is the Goddess of hemp and marijuana.

Bast is the Goddess of the moon and possessor of the Utchat, the Eye of Her twin brother Heru Sa Aset [Horus].

I wouldn't rule anything out at this point.

Bast is supposedly all of these things. Bast is also female, which means she's not a candidate for the statue based on Lindelof's use of the male pronoun. ;)

[Foro777]

Bast is the Goddess of hemp and marijuana.



Improbable as marijuana did not grow in any Mediterranean countries. In Ancient times it existed only in Central and Southern America, so unless the Egyptians discovered America ... :p
Well you get the point.
As for your rebuttal to Greg Dharma, I sensed nothing offensive about his post. I actually enjoyed it because he clearly described the facts without rambling on and on (unlike some of the wikipedia copy n pastes we get on here).
All in all I'd agree with you though, we shouldn't rule anyone out at this point.

[beachblinkette]

*Minor Spoiler Ahead*

The following excerpt is taken from this interview (http://www.bullz-eye.com/television/interviews/2009/lost.htm) with Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof on Bullz-eye.com:

___________________________________

BE: Are we ever going to see more of the front of the giant statue?

DL: Why, you didn’t like his back?

BE: Sorry, we need more.

DL: What about his side? Or what about an overhead view? Let’s negotiate here.

___________________________________

DL clearly uses the male pronoun his here not once, but twice. Granted, he may have just been giving a general answer to avoid providing any specifics. However, one would assume that if that were his intent, he would have used the gender-neutral "its" instead of "his."

I believe these statements eliminate the possibility that the statue is Bast or Taweret as several people have speculated on these boards.

I'm still holding firm to the idea that the statue is either Ra or Anubis. :cool:
Thanks for that! The statue, unless they are telling an out and out lie(don't think so--what would be their reason for that?) is a male deity then. The leaders on the island have been men as far as we know. Eloise seemed to be in a prime role but not THE leader IMO. If the dialogue is true, then it's nice to make a "landing" on that one question! LOL, but I wouldn't have missed the journey trying to find this out. Wow, did I learn a lot about Egyptian culture and their gods. Thanks, Cuselof!! :D

[beachblinkette]

I've studied Egyptology since i was 15 years old. i own the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Metu Neter, and many other credible sources which i read regularly. That's why i can tell you, well, duh! the gender of the statue wasn't really questionable, except among people who don't really know what they're talking about, since Anubis, lord of the dead and judge of souls, not only is the only Egyptian deity which makes sense on an island which is a "place of death" [and, conversely, eternal life] to paraphrase Charlotte, but also clearly depicted on the wall hieroglyphs in the temple [which lies in the shadow of the statue, perhaps], commanding Smokey aka Cerebus aka Amemit. i have a papyri i got in Giza which depicts a similar scene. well, not exactly, but close enough so that it's obvious where the inspiration came from.

Bast would make little sense[her less-docile counterpart, Sekhmet, is more likely], since she is the goddest of domesticity and femininity,and not otherwise associated with anything resembling an amorphous, shape-shifting smoke monster who can assume the form of people in our memories. The Richard Alpert/RA connection is intriguing and perhaps more than coincidental, but unlikely as far as the statue's identity.

According to the noted Egyptologist E.A. Wallis Budge, "Ra is usually depicted with the body of a man and the head of a hawk" (though often the god is pictured as a sun-disk or a hawk-headed man with a sun-disk [Amen-Ra], which distinguishes him from the other hawk-headed Egyptian god, Horus); the statue's head appears to be more Jackal-like. Also, if you want to get technical, we spell Ra with "r" and "a," but the Kemetic pronunciation is closer to "Re."

It is possible that the islanders--who may have been Egyptian colonists or descendents as per the Argonaut myth [which has Egyptian origins which precede Greek civilization]--mixed and matched, if you will, as variations and combo-Gods who embodied aspects of several deities were fairly common. Also Osiris the resurrected "becomes" Ra, and Ra himself is manifested in every other deity -- so the egyptians were both monotheistic and polytheistic simultaneously. that's so confusing, it kinda sounds like Lost's plotline, huh?

Anyway, an Anubis cult on a pacific island far from Thebes and Giza might not have worshipped Anubis in a completely orthodox manner. or they could have started out othrodox and evolved over time. Tawaret's headdress on an Anubis statue holding an extra Ankh isn't necessarily implausible--certainly less implausible than a wheel regulating time travel, a giant rock with electromagnetic energy embedded within it, and Christian Shephard's shoes becoming a means of bringing a dead man back to life are.

I am wondering if and when you use the web to do research, where do you go and which sources are the most reliable? I'd appreciate your input on the ones you think are best. Also can you recommend a good sourcebook on Egypt? I have Imagining Egypt by Millmore, Gods and Myths of Ancient Egypt by Barnett, Ancient Egypt by Oakes and Gahlin and a couple more. I'm taking you at your word that you have studied Egypt for some time.

Also Notso, and anyone who cares to post them, where are your most reliable Egyptian sources on the web? Just curious. Thanks!:)

[krakup]

I am wondering if and when you use the web to do research, where do you go and which sources are the most reliable? I'd appreciate your input on the ones you think are best. Also can you recommend a good sourcebook on Egypt? I have Imagining Egypt by Millmore, Gods and Myths of Ancient Egypt by Barnett, Ancient Egypt by Oakes and Gahlin and a couple more. I'm taking you at your word that you have studied Egypt for some time.

Also Notso, and anyone who cares to post them, where are your most reliable Egyptian sources on the web? Just curious. Thanks!:)

hey beachy, who is your favourite egyptian?

[beachblinkette]

hey beachy, who is your favourite egyptian?

Uh OH, you shouldn't have asked that krakup! ;)LOL But thanks and I quote:...

Probably Amun..." also known as Amen, Amun, and Ammon. Amun was the chief Theban deity whose power grew as the city of Thebes grew from an unimportant village, in the Old Kingdom, to a powerful metropolis in the Middle and New Kingdoms. He rose to become the patron of the Theban pharaohs and was eventually combined with the sun god, Ra--who had become the dominant deity of the Old Kingdom---to become Amun-Ra, King of the Gods and ruler of the Great Ennead. (the family of nine gods)

Amun's name means 'Hidden One, Mysterious of Form,' and although he is most often represented as a human wearing a double plumed crown, he is sometimes depicted as a ram or a goose. The implication is that his true identity can never be revealed.

Karnak was Amun's chief temple, but his fame extended well beyond the boundaries of Egypt. His cult spread to Ethiopia, Nubia,, Libya, and through much of Palestine. The Greeks thought he was an Egyptian manifestation of their god Zeus. Even Alexander the Great thought it worthwhile consulting the oracle of Amun."
What about You, krakup, or anyone else, who is your favorite Egyptian? Living or dead, god, creature or human?

[Panda]

I am wondering if and when you use the web to do research, where do you go and which sources are the most reliable? I'd appreciate your input on the ones you think are best. Also can you recommend a good sourcebook on Egypt?
Also Notso, and anyone who cares to post them, where are your most reliable Egyptian sources on the web? Just curious. Thanks!:)

To be honest I don't use the web often to do research. So I have no Idea which sources are most reliable.
For what Lost concerns, I dare to rely from time to time on what is listed up in Lostpedia. As Lost is more like entertainment and the accuracy of the info is not that important for my life in general, I don't feel like I will get dis-informed.
Sometimes I may add a "wiki" link in these discussions on these forums, but not as a proof for anything, just because it can be linked to lost, if you have enough imagination.

What Egypt concerns, I must disappoint you. I never studied Egypt related stuff. So I can't recommend any sources on that topic. And I have to admit that I don't feel that I ever will do that in this life, not on the web, not in reading books.

But indeed it is an interesting question....how do people select their info when they use the web.

[Simon Blackrock]

a couple of good books i recomend are:
serpent in the sky:the highwisdom of ancient egypt by john anthony west.

secrets of the great pyramid by peter tompkins

message of the sphinx by robert bouval

these are not your boring regular egypt books talking about outdated crap like tombs and tuttankamen. if it werent for authors like this there would be no progress in egyptology.
guys like zawaii hawass would never on his own find the secret chamber under the sphinx, or notice the sphinx enchamber is weathered by water and not sand.
these oldschool egyptologists dont want to look stupid because all they have done is try to put dates to names and never tried to tackle the esoteric aspect of egypts religion or egypts highly advanced knowledge.
they have been feeding us this craps for years that the great pyramid is a tomb yada yadda.but its not.no proof what so ever.not one hieroglyph in the whole thing.

[notsolost42]

Improbable as marijuana did not grow in any Mediterranean countries. In Ancient times it existed only in Central and Southern America, so unless the Egyptians discovered America ... :p
Well you get the point.
As for your rebuttal to Greg Dharma, I sensed nothing offensive about his post. I actually enjoyed it because he clearly described the facts without rambling on and on (unlike some of the wikipedia copy n pastes we get on here).
All in all I'd agree with you though, we shouldn't rule anyone out at this point.

As far as Bast being the goddess of hemp and marijuana, I just posted what I found. I had never heard that one before. As far as there not being either in ancient egypt, I wouldn't bank on it. It's a weed and most likely can grow anywhere, though I would not know personally. As for you senseing something offensive about my post, perhaps you should have your sensors brought in for a check up because there was nothing offensive intended or said. Don't confuse frankness with offensiveness. I am very frank and speak my mind.

[Panda]

I am very frank and speak my mind.

And that makes your posts so interesting to read. I am thankful for you being frank and speaking your mind.

[notsolost42]

And that makes your posts so interesting to read. I am thankful for you being frank and speaking your mind.

Thanks Panda. I guess some people read it and take it as insulting or something along those lines. If I wanted to be insulting, believe me, there would be no mistake about identifying it! lol.

[JfromtheD]

I don't know...

I think I'll be bummed if it's a dog, or catlike creature.

I'm still rooting for Juliet. But I'm stubborn... :)

[notsolost42]

I don't know...

I think I'll be bummed if it's a dog, or catlike creature.

I'm still rooting for Juliet. But I'm stubborn... :)

But a catlike creature would represent Juliet! That would be the Goddess Bast, goddess of fertility part! I'm rooting for that also. But it's true, Daman did refer to the statue as him/his.:(

[losttime]

i think the statue is going to be the face of JJ Abrams

[beachblinkette]

a couple of good books i recomend are:
serpent in the sky:the highwisdom of ancient egypt by john anthony west.

secrets of the great pyramid by peter tompkins

message of the sphinx by robert bouval

these are not your boring regular egypt books talking about outdated crap like tombs and tuttankamen. if it werent for authors like this there would be no progress in egyptology.
guys like zawaii hawass would never on his own find the secret chamber under the sphinx, or notice the sphinx enchamber is weathered by water and not sand.
these oldschool egyptologists dont want to look stupid because all they have done is try to put dates to names and never tried to tackle the esoteric aspect of egypts religion or egypts highly advanced knowledge.
they have been feeding us this craps for years that the great pyramid is a tomb yada yadda.but its not.no proof what so ever.not one hieroglyph in the whole thing.
Thanks Simon, you sound like a scholar! I put them on my list for my next trek to the library or the bookstore. :)

[beachblinkette]

To be honest I don't use the web often to do research. So I have no Idea which sources are most reliable.
For what Lost concerns, I dare to rely from time to time on what is listed up in Lostpedia. As Lost is more like entertainment and the accuracy of the info is not that important for my life in general, I don't feel like I will get dis-informed.
Sometimes I may add a "wiki" link in these discussions on these forums, but not as a proof for anything, just because it can be linked to lost, if you have enough imagination.

What Egypt concerns, I must disappoint you. I never studied Egypt related stuff. So I can't recommend any sources on that topic. And I have to admit that I don't feel that I ever will do that in this life, not on the web, not in reading books.

But indeed it is an interesting question....how do people select their info when they use the web.
Thanks for your post, Panda. That's what makes the world go 'round-different people like different things. You're an intelligent person who always has something thought provoking to say. You have a lot of insight into human nature and that shows up in what your comments.

[beachblinkette]

Thanks Panda. I guess some people read it and take it as insulting or something along those lines. If I wanted to be insulting, believe me, there would be no mistake about identifying it! lol.

I think of you as tenacious when you have a point to get across. Who would I want on my side when I needed help to solve a problem?.....YOU!:D

By the way, Notso, I read a really good book that you might like-or for that matter, that anyone might like if they like good stories. It's The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency by Alexander McCall. I think the series is on HBO now but I don't get HBO. The main figure is a great character and the book is not offensive in any way.

Back to the statue......

[notsolost42]

I think of you as tenacious when you have a point to get across. Who would I want on my side when I needed help to solve a problem?.....YOU!:D

By the way, Notso, I read a really good book that you might like-or for that matter, that anyone might like if they like good stories. It's The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency by Alexander McCall. I think the series is on HBO now but I don't get HBO. The main figure is a great character and the book is not offensive in any way.

Back to the statue......

Thanks Beach! And I you. Your intellect is boundless and your knowledge is a deep well! That book sounds interesting. I don't get HBO either! Is it available in the library or still on the best seller list?

[lilsev42]

lmnop, heh... I thought her hair looked fine...

MagicoA, I agree with you about Richard being Ra. I am curious, though, (if the statue IS Ra) if we are going to see his face on the statue or an animal's face. The ears from the back seem to suggest the latter.

If richard is Ra,then what's Ben's purpose and Widmore's,because Ra was his own master and richard is a yes man,He only hwelps when he must,he always gives you choices.

[beachblinkette]

Thanks Beach! And I you. Your intellect is boundless and your knowledge is a deep well! That book sounds interesting. I don't get HBO either! Is it available in the library or still on the best seller list?
Thanks Notso!:)I bought it at Target--paperback. don't know if its still on the list. There are about 7 or 8 books in the series. When I find a good series like the Travis McGee's (McDonald) or the Grisham books, or whoever, I usually read all of them. I always enjoy the best of the sci fi anthologies, too.
I am a lazy reader and get bored very fast --this is not a good trait!! Travels -an autobiography by Michael Crichton is very interesting, too. That man had a risk-taker gene that wouldn't quit. Actually, it was more like a death wish!! A rather amazing person, he was!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

i think the statue is going to be the face of JJ Abrams

ROFLMAO! GOOD ONE!!!!:D

[Simon Blackrock]

haha thanks beach, i am no scholar! but before i found lost , i spent alot of time reading and learning about the mysteries of the ancient world instead of the mysteries of lost !