"Oceanic 6"

[pureleo]

ok so i was trying to figure out who the "Oceanic 6" were and i forgot that walt and michael could have gotten off the island befor so that would olny leave one unknown spot for the 6 what do yall think would walt and michael be included in the "6" if they did make it home?

[kingsleymore]

jack, kate, sawyer, hugo, john, Sun????

[MyCatLooksLikeHurley]

jack, kate, sawyer, hugo, john, Sun????

nah, do you think john comes back??? I think it's Aaron.

[hunter8768]

I too heard that Aaron is one of them.

I'm thinking: Jack, Kate, Aaron (with Kate), Hurley, Juliet, and Desmond

[toon_army9]

I too heard that Aaron is one of them.

I'm thinking: Jack, Kate, Aaron (with Kate), Hurley, Juliet, and Desmond

That would explain Kate saying 'he'll be wondering where I am' at the end of s03

[t33h33]

I dont think (well hoping) Locke won't be killed but if they were to be rescued would he want to leave the island?

[AnEpicInvasion]

Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, Claire, Aaron.

Ben is definitely still the man in the coffin, but he wasn't on the plane's manifest which means that he still couldn't be considered a survivior. Whatever he is attached to is somehow the reason that they will end up getting off. He'll somehow control the manner in which they get off and the terms of that agreement. ie; leaving the others behind. I was stoked to learn that the other survivors are still alive (probably) I had been wondering if they were just going to systematically kill everyone off.

[TMullenJr]

Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, Claire, Aaron.

Ben is definitely still the man in the coffin, but he wasn't on the plane's manifest which means that he still couldn't be considered a survivior. Whatever he is attached to is somehow the reason that they will end up getting off. He'll somehow control the manner in which they get off and the terms of that agreement. ie; leaving the others behind. I was stoked to learn that the other survivors are still alive (probably) I had been wondering if they were just going to systematically kill everyone off.

I can guarantee that Ben is not the one in the coffin. I have the Blu-Ray Season 3, and when Jack is outside the funeral home looking at the article, I froze and frame advanced and was able to make out the following...





You could see that the person was from NY, and it is the body of Jo...... The rest of the name was obscured. My theory is that it is Locke. And with his always stopping them, nobody showed up to the service. Or because of something else that he hasn't done yet.

[pantags]

i still think micheal is in the coffin, and he knows how to get back to the island because he actually left on his own but the secret died with him

[kboconn]

I think it is michael...who was from new york, and also the article says he is survived by a teenage son... http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html here is a link where they blow up the article. I think micahel changed his name when he got back home. And that would also explain why the funeral took place in an urban neighborhood.

[1hourisntlongenough]

I think it is michael...who was from new york, and also the article says he is survived by a teenage son... http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html here is a link where they blow up the article. I think micahel changed his name when he got back home. And that would also explain why the funeral took place in an urban neighborhood.

Where is Walt, then? Why doesn't he come to his own father's funeral?....or is he dead?(I guess that would explain Locke seeing him in "spirit form")

[parapadme]

i dont believe michael and walt got off the island

[Dzbabykel]

I don't either, I def think Walt and Michael are still on the island. Michael wouldn't have gone home with out finding Walt, I can't wait to see where the show is going to take us!

[conkeys19]

oceanic 6 - jack, kate, hurley, sayid, jin, and sun. but aaron makes it off the island too but isn't considered oceanic 6.

[bodomchild0926]

what about Clair...Desmond told Charlie he saw both of them getting onto a helicopter and leaving

[lostfan11]

oceanic 6 jack,kate,hurley,claire,juilett,and desmond

[Smiley]

its gotta be locke in the coffin due to the fact that no one came and the neighborhood it was in

[hollie425]

yea i think the oceanic 6 are: jack, kate, sawyer, hurley, claire(including aaron), desmond. i didnt include jin or sun because desmond saw claire and aaron getting on a helicopter and theres no room for them in the "6". i didnt include john locke, beacuse he doesnt want to get off the island. i didnt include any of the others, because they werent on the plane to begin with, so there not considered the "6". im thinking that its either john locke or ben in the coffin, beacause it has to be someone kate hates, and that jack hates but still has a connection with enough to go their funneral. i think john locke doesnt leave the island with the rest of them, but gets off the island at a different time in life.

[Dzbabykel]

Desmond couldn't be included in the "6" because he wouldn't have been in the flight's manifest either.

[aZiXx]

Who are the 6? Jack, Kate, Hurley, and 3 unknown from Oceanic.

Desmond saw Claire get on the Helicopter in his vision he said in S3, and usually they do play out as he sees them unless he changes the outcome (saving Charlie), so we should count Claire as very likely being #4.

For the funeral/viewing, I have to say it is Sawyer.
The lack of attendance at the viewing would indicate either Ben, Sawyer or Lock. They have no family. One lived on the island forever, and the other was a con man hated by everyone he conned. The newspaper shows J..... ......antham. So we can have a name change for anyone... maybe they keep their first name, maybe not. Maybe the whole name changes. Maybe that newspaper thing is fake and it was never meant to be read by us :) Michael is fairly alone from what we can tell, but of all the people, he would not tell anyone his new name, he killed other survivors, he would be in deep doodoo to make his new name known. Not Michael.
I don't think it is Lock, he would never leave the island. I could be wrong, but I say definitely not Lock. John would be part of the "them" that would have stayed. He doubted the island once before and almost got the global catastrophe that was prevented by Desmond. Since then he reaffirmed his faith in the island. I don't see what would change that faith again. But maybe he changes his mind :) We can say for sure it was someone with no ties and no one liked.
And Ben would not come back either, although he could have been forced to come back. Jack hated the lying manipulative Ben, I don't think it's him at all.
When Jack meets Kate in flash forward at end S3, shes says something in regards to someone wondering where she is, that would be her new husband/boyfriend whatever. However her and Sawyer ended their relationship, she was hurt by it, and would not go to a funeral that would bring her more pain of memories of Sawyer, whether good or bad, that is part of the past that she doesn't want to remember. She also denies that her, Jack and whoever came back were meant to stay on the island, she wants that part of her life to be over with. She didn't really want to talk to Jack but did because he urged her to meet him. She is happy with her new life, with her new man, and going to the funeral of the bad boy she ended up getting emotionally hurt by or more, was not what she wanted. I don't see why Sawyer would want to stay on the island either... he came back or died there.
So Sawyer is my #5 for those reasons.

#6? I have no clue yet. Not enough information to formulate any hypothesis. We can see that some stayed behind, some more probably died there. I think a lot more died than stayed because all of them wanted to get off the island except Lock, Ben and Daniel Rousseau... so what would make the majority not want to return in S4? Kate was a fugitive and she managed to come back... We shall have to see what happens :)

[Dzbabykel]

I think its still too early to start assuming we know who was in the casket. The newspaper clipping points out the letters "Jo" or just a "J" I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) so by that we could assume John or even Sawyer (his real name being James). But I think they are the 2 obvious people, especially Locke, so I think its going to end up being someone we would never expect. Haha this show never dissapoints me! :p

[kk1011]

For sure off the island:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Aaron?

Weren't on Oceanic 815 and thus might not be included in the six:

Desmond
Juliet
Ben

Guesses:

Claire (however, if we believe Desmond's vision, then Claire is for sure off the island)
Sawyer
Sayiid
Jin/Sun
Rose/Bernard
Who knows...it could really be anyone!

I don't think Micheal would be included in the six, because even if he did return, he would have done so at a different time. A label like "oceanic six" would be applied to six people who returned to the US (or wherever they initially go to) as one group. So, wherever the heck Micheal is, he could be another survivor of the island who wouldn't necessarily be one of the "six".

[Dzbabykel]

I found a spoiler that confirms the Oceanic 6 are Jack, Sayiid, Kate, Hurley, Sun & Jin. Aaron is also apparently with them which would make sense since he wouldn't have been in the manifest since he wasn't born yet. Sorry to anyone who didn't want to know....not sure if its actually true or not, thought I'd post it anyways :)

[aZiXx]

Well that's a good list. Sayid was awesome, he deserves to get what he wants. Jin and Sun deserve to live happily together with their new baby :) Will be interesting to see how Claire failed to fulfill Desmonds vision.

One thing I hope is that John is alive and well on the Island with "them" others :)

And if thats the 6, then I would have to change my coffin guy to Ben, since Saywer wouldn't make it back... Ben's the only one to fit with the info. And even if Sawyer makes it back, Ben is probably the better choice now that I think of it :) Can't wait to see who it is.

[Dzbabykel]

Yah I agree with Ben possibly being in the coffin. I think there is a lot MORE to Ben's story than we know yet, and who knows he may end up becoming apart of the Losties group since they all could band together against the freight people? I can't wait to see where all this leads!! It sucks the writer's strike only allows us 8 episodes!!!

It looks like Kate may be the one to take Aaron in the future, which would explain who she's talking about when she says "he's going to wonder where I'm at". I love this show :D

[Dzbabykel]

I hope Sayid is able to find Nadia, the woman he was in love with who is living in the states :)

[coldandevell]

Perhaps Desmond's vision would have been of Claire handing Aaron over to the six at the helicopter not actually getting on I can't remember the scene exactly. Anyone???

[Dzbabykel]

I don't think they actually showed a helicopter scene, I think Desmond just told Charlie that he had a vision Aaron and Claire are rescued by a helicopter because Charlie was able to deactivate the station. Correct me if I'm wrong please, haha its been awhile :p

[land]

Maybe Locke came back (either by choice or force) as one of the Oceanic Six, but what if after coming back from the island he was paralyzed again--Locke would probably be very depressed and as he obviously didn't want to leave the island, he killed himself and that's who's in the coffin, and that's why Jack says he was neither friend or family, and the lack of other people there. Jack would feel the need to go see the coffin based on his own depression and sense of responsibility. Just a theory.

[dzzyedge]

I'm inclined to think it's Micheal in the casket. I'm not sure why I think that, but it seems to make the most sense to me. This is one question I hope they answer soon!

[aZiXx]

For the vision of Desmond, he only talked about Claire getting onto the heli, no actual vision shown. Maybe she would hand the baby to the other six if they had to choose 6 people who could leave (not enough room etc), otherwise theres no way she would abandon her child.

That's interesting to say about Locke, but I would have to disagree, Locke would never leave. He knows that if he leaves he won't be able to walk again. If he leaves, I would have to see what kind of ridiculous reason they come up with, because he is SO not leaving that island willingly (neither would I :). And if theres a limit to the amount of people they could take off the island... which would explain why there are only 6, short of many of them changing their minds or being killed...

I just watched all the seasons this past week. One thing I noticed just now about the coffin, was that is was small. Like it did not seem big enough for someone of Sawyer or Johns height. It just looked kinda small for a grown man to be in when Jack is standing by it and we have a view from the top. So I'd have to say not Sawyer like I thought. Ben was short, so I still have to conclude it's Ben over anyone else we know on the show.

And from what I have read, its 16 eps each season, so 8 for now, then 8 more when the strike ends?

[coldandevell]

Someone said in another thread that perhaps the six were already chosen in a predestined sort of way like ben's lists of who to capture. Or perhaps only six were able to go for some other reason. That being said perhaps Claire couldn't go but Aaron was allowed If I had a choice to send my son to safety or leave him on the crazy island i would send him. Just a thought

[Maximus]

here are a few screen captures from the casket episode...

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/LLOOSSTT/Casket_new.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/LLOOSSTT/casket_new1.jpg

It may just be me, but that casket looks pretty small for an average sized person, like Locke. Looks like a small person like Ben or even a child would be in it.

[coldandevell]

Looks to me like a regular size coffin just a weird film angle.

[Dzbabykel]

Looks to me like a regular size coffin just a weird film angle.

I agree, I don't think the size of the casket has anything to do with it. Looks like a normal casket to me...plus even if was a child in there, I don't think they'd want to give it away that easily haha :p

[1hourisntlongenough]

No, I dont think they'd be considered as part of the 6. I think who ever the 6 are, they all came back together. I'm not sure Michael and Walt even made it back.......we keep seeing Walt as a spirit guide for Locke, so does that mean he's dead?...if so, then something must have happened to them on their boat ride back.:eek:

[aZiXx]

I still think the casket is small, maybe its a mistake, I doubt it, but it does look small to me, but it could be an issue of camera perspective. But it seriously looks too small, think of the padding inside, then the head and feet don't go right up against the padding, there is still space, so it looks too small for a big guy.

Yeah good point about being forced to go like a list or some other reason of secrecy.

For Walt as a spirit... Shannon and Sayid saw Walt when he was alive. So he doesn't have to be dead to be anyones guide. :) Walt has abilities of his own as they have mentioned they want Mike to take him back, hes too much for them to handle... like in the web clips... a bunch of birds ram into the window of the room Walt is in, Room 23. I hope we get some more answers on Walt and his abilities :)

[johnnydeheart]

i think the oceanic 6 are jack,kate,bernard,rose,hurley and juliet. somehow hurley goes back to join these six to leave the island...jack went to view funeral of juliet that is why kate said why would i go to that because of jelously. the oceanic six are the one who left and want to get back because they fall into a miserable lifestyle, like a path they should not have chosen...jack becomes his drunken father, kate becomes married in a abusive relationship like her mother, hurley falls back into the psych ward. Juliet dies of something tragic like the sister she was trying to save...and eventually rose's cancer will get her too....they all want to go back to what Ben said previously that what kinda lifestyle to the have to go back to . Now the people on the boat are related to the man that visited hurley in the psych ward and possibley the woman that new about changing the future and past with desmond....im still obviously leaning on time travel and dimentions.. the island is a diferent dimentions where they survived...namomie said they all had perished on the crash and they found the bodies in that dimention.. i believe the island is so hard to get to and find because it is a parallel demention. everyone that every leaves can never go back, like walt and father....

the people on boat are like a police of the universe trying to keep things corrected when dimentions are crossed...the people want to know if there is anyone still alive on the island so they can correct the ripple in time that happened. people die and show up in another dimention and jacob is a lost police of the different dimentions who is locked away on the island trapped by the time police people who are the enemy of the others and the survivors...

anyways that is my thoughts to this point..love the show....john

[johnnydeheart]

I agree, I don't think the size of the casket has anything to do with it. Looks like a normal casket to me...plus even if was a child in there, I don't think they'd want to give it away that easily haha :p

the casket is smaller , this size of a woman....juliet

[aZiXx]

According to the newspaper clip that Jack has about the funeral viewing, it is a male. So unless that was a trick, it's not Juliet.

Good theory you came up with, I like it.
Naomi says "They found the entire plane off the coast of Bali in an ocean trench 4 miles deep." they sent down robot with cameras to survey the wreckage.. "The bodies were all there"

So I like your idea about alternate dimension/reality where multiple possible outcomes occur in different places/times. But it sounds too sci-fi for ABC :) Naomi says she wasn't looking for survivors of Oceanic 815, she was looking for Desmond. Penny tells Charlie she doesn't have a ship out there. So Naomi is looking for Desmond for some other purpose, or she is lying about the purpose being to find Desmond. Juliet was taken to the island, many others were. People went back and forth in a submarine. Doesn't sound like a universe dimension police thing to me.

Maybe there is another plane they found that they think is Oceanic 815 with bodies in it. A 4 mile deep trench, they didn't bring up the wreckage. No mention of that, only of robots with cameras to survey. Too deep down. A cover up? This show is really weird. I hope everything gets explained and there are not any contradictions! Thanks for your theory :)

[bmedina1]

"I am one of the Oceanic 6" refers to 1 of the 6 people that left the island.

1a. What happened to the rest (including Rose, Bernard, Juliet, etc) that stayed with Jack and Kate when they split off from Locke, Ben, Sawyer, Hurley, etc? How come they didn't get off the island?

1b. It is Episode 21 ("Greatest Hits") of Season 3 that shows the rescue chopper leaving the island.

[aZiXx]

1a. This is the "them" that the fake Oceanic lawyer asks about, part of the secret Hurley and Jack are supposed to keep.

1b. S3E21 does not show Desmond's vision. There is no vision that "shows the rescue chopper leaving the island" or any of part of his vision in that eps. If you can tell me at what time in the episode they show Desmond's vision, specifically about the heli, please correct me, I just watched the eps the other day and just did a fast forward now. It sucks we didn't get to see it though.

[Apie]

perhaps it is Ben and Kate, Jack, Hurley, Claire and Aaron(but would Aaron count as a Oceanic 6 survivor being that he was unborn at the time of the crash?) and then James Saywer. Maybe Ben and Kate are together as part of some deal orderd from Ben, and that the Ben is the "He'll that Kate is worried about. James might be in the coffin?

[sevensc]

I am not sure If I believe that Kate is one of the Oceanic 6.

While you could believe that Kate was pardoned for the crime she commited, or was simply supplied with a crack team of lawyers by Oceanic, It is also possible that she left the Island my alternate means.

Or, if they left the island on their own accord (or were rescued by a third party) they could have covered up the fact that Kate left the island with them inorder to provide her with a normal life (remember, Jack loves her and would do anything to protect her).

[UnknownPoster]

Kate had that defaced passport from Joanna. It seems hard to believe that none of Joanna's friends or relatives would show up to meet her and therefore expose Kate, but it is a possibility.
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[Found in Lost]

I think the oceanic six are this.....Jack, Kate, Hugo, Walt, Michael, and Sawyer
if you notice, the three definites are part of the list ms. clue gave to michael, and the fourth was Sawyer on the list
Michael and Walt already got off, and the reason Locke saw Walt is because Walt is like Jacob, or is jacob, or something like that
And as to the newspaper article, it could have just been a prop used, and not an actual clue....one of those things that throw people off
Michael is dead, and the reason Walt didn't go is because he found out the horrid things that Michael did for Walt, who didn't really want to leave, ie burning the raft s1

[navyguy]

Ok. Here are the possibilities i think. Lets build on this though. If you watch the opening credits Harold Perrineau is listed(the actor that plays Michael). For an actor to get credit for an episode they are not in, usually makes them a season regular. So by seeing the opening credits we see that Michael is back on the show, but as to whether it is on island or not is the big question. Notice i said Michael and not Walt. Walt does not get credit, so whatever the case Walt may not be with him.
Oceanic 6-Jack, Kate, Hurley-we know
I am going to take a LONG shot here. We know that Jack talks about his father as if he is alive in s3 finale and the fact that he is in Jacob's cabin (undoubtable) so i am going to give him spot #4. I am going to give Claire and Aaron spots 5 and 6 because of Desmond's vision.

So: JACK, KATE, HURLEY, CHRISTIAN, CLAIRE, AARON

So building on this whole Michael thing..depending on what his role is in S4, he might know some stuff. Michael is the only man i can think of that would be succeeded by a teenage boy (Walt would be MUCH older because time goes by much slower on the island-i figure this because the oceanic press release came out in response to the discovery of 815 wreckage, and they opened back up on December 31, 2007, while s4e1 would be November 15th 2004.) So anyway, I think it is Michael in the coffin, and i believe Jack is super depressed about it because of a important role that Michael would play in this new season.

[bunnydixon]

naomi may have made up the bodies thing - i mean she isnt being entirely honest with them all is she?

if we assume hurley, jack & kate are 3 of the 6...

i dont think locke or rose want to leave and if rose doesnt bernard wont. juliet, ben and desmond are not oceanic passengers. walt and michael might not be home and if they are may not have alerted people of their surviving and return so this leaves, sawyer, sayid, sun, jin, claire & aaron. if sun & jin are rescued i think they would head back to korea so would this make them part of the oceanic 6? possibly but possibly not - same goes for claire & aaron & also sayid - the 6 may only refer to survivors who return to the states and not necessarily primary characters.