8???

[Robo42]

I know 8 is one of the magic numbers, but in his trial story he says there were 8 survivors and two died. Okay that gives us the O6. Why have we forgotten about the other 30 survivors who just stand around as props ? Are they left behind? Is there another purge?

[TuesdaySmith]

I think that some of them will get killed in some kind of "war", and then some of them will stay.. I think a bunch of the people that went with Jack will end up staying instead... We know for sure that at least some of them are still there after the O6, but I guess 30odd people is a lot to stay on the island.

[lostlindy]

I think they would have to explain too many things if they tell how many really survived. AnnaLucia, Boone, Shannon, Charlie, and so on and so forth

[justjoe]

Well if they are working for Ben, which I feel they are, then they would protect him by claiming there were only 8 survivors. This I believe is one of the reasons they want to get back later on. They feel guilty about lying about the other survivors.

[TuesdaySmith]

Yeah, definitely, but there are still way more than 8 actual people left on the island.

[TuesdaySmith]

Well if they are working for Ben, which I feel they are, then they would protect him by claiming there were only 8 survivors. This I believe is one of the reasons they want to get back later on. They feel guilty about lying about the other survivors.

Yeah, I agree, but the think the OP was just wondering where all the other people are? Are they still on the island? Did they get killed off? There are a bunch of them as of right now.

[stargazer]

Maybe no one is supposed to know that there are more survivors. Maybe the remaining survivors want to be believed dead for some reason.

[justjoe]

I think they are saying that they are the only survivors in order to keep people from finding the island while looking for the other people.

[TuesdaySmith]

Definitely.. I don't think the question is why they were saying that though.. just speculation about who/how many are left on the island.

[HardrocksII]

little more curious, why 8 ? why couldnt jack have said 9, or 10 ? why does he desperatly need to get back(per episode with kate at the runway)? maybe i caught it wrong but, didnt kate mention to jack(tonites episode) near the ending,,"you've said that so much, your starting to believe it" somethg like that...what was she referring to ?

[justjoe]

She was probably referring to the story of only 8 survivors with 2 dying. That's what they were told to say in order to keep the lie consistent between the O6.

[TheCAD]

They can't tell the truth.

You can't say "We crashed landed because there was an electromagnetic event on this magical island where there are polar bears and a blacksmoke monster."

Beyond that...obviously ben has coerced them somehow.

[LostFreak21]

I think Jack has been saying that Kate was the hero. They also said the plane crashed in the water. My mind was like mush watching that last night. I need to watch it again.

[bunnydixon]

yes i believe they are covering for the other survivors who are alive on the island - but i have no idea why.

[HardrocksII]

i can understand jacks's quotes of saying "only 8 survivors" n all that. why it wasnt 9 or whatever,,lol, doesnt matter much anyway. it was just that statement kate made: youve said that so much, your starting to believe it....lol, all i can think of is "Groundhog day"...lol,,too deep ? i know, i know....just a wild shot..lol :)

[bunnydixon]

as long as we dont get continuous sonny & cher!!

[Robo42]

To be a little critical of the writers, it bothers me some that there 30 or so other survivors just hanging around. By no means is there enough time to create a story about each or even one more, but they could have included them more somehow. It's like these other 30 don't exist.
If there were forty of us, we may not all be friends, but I would prob have said good morning to everyone by now.

[Dharma Initiate 815]

Don't forget that Ben is a Blackmailer... look at Sayid working for him. That would never happen unless he in some way owed Ben.

[bunnydixon]

yeah, they could have made less survivors so there were less extras to worry about. so as someone else was going on about - perhaps 48 is relevant?

[justjoe]

But if there were fewer survivors we would never get to meet people like Nikki and Paolo. Then again maybe you're on to something.

[bunnydixon]

and that would have been devastating - after all, they made the show :p :D

[RynG78]

Maybe they are not really dead. Oh NO!!!!

I miss them so much.

[Robo42]

I think any new lostie we meet for now on is going to be like one of those extra Star Trekkers with the red shirt who always gets killed. LOL

[HardrocksII]

i dunno..my guess is the other losties are still there, living in, or near the "temple" and making some Shangrila sorta life...the hell with the outside world,,,lol, whacha think ?

[jacksnurse]

yeah...thank you...she says"you know Jack I've heard you say that story so many times
i'm starting to think you believe it"...i think that she is referring to what they have all agreed to say when rescued and back to the real world....obviously they are sticking to some story...kate couldn't hear it again in court....it made her feel so guilty being made to look the HERO when she really wasn't.

[jacksnurse]

obviously it is a story to protect the island......the other Losties on the island need to be 4gotten so that no one trys to look into what happened and where the island is located...or in what time dimension...lol

[justjoe]

So here's a question. Why has Jack had to say that story so many times?

[TuesdaySmith]

To be a little critical of the writers, it bothers me some that there 30 or so other survivors just hanging around. By no means is there enough time to create a story about each or even one more, but they could have included them more somehow. It's like these other 30 don't exist.
If there were forty of us, we may not all be friends, but I would prob have said good morning to everyone by now.

Well, maybe you were right in the OP.. maybe there's another purge or something.. Remember the gas masks? I know people are still on the island, but it would seem weird that ALL the "extras" ended up staying.

[thelawgiver]

Okay, I think the O6 had to make some type of deal to protect the lives of those other survivors/friends essentially held hostage on the island by Ben. Therefore, tremendous guilt is eating at them (Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Kate).

But there is something that really bugs me. The media these days would be crawling all over their island to show their little shelters and how they lived, etc. If that happened on the real island, well, let's just say they would find a lot of interesting things, So I bet that the story about crashing in the water correlates with the plane in the trench, which is far away from the real island. There is probably some deserted island near the trench plane and they staged a little eight survivor shelter village and probably buried two bodies (who apparently die prior to rescue) to make everything fall into place. So if Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun and Jin (I bet Ben makes use of Jin's talents like Sun's dad did), who are the two dead crash survivors?

They would probably stay away from the tailie dead bodies. Would they dig up dead bodies and move them? Or was there a plan that there would be the O8 and the plan changed when two started trouble, could not be trusted or simply died accidentally? The simplist thing would be to dig up Paolo and Nikki. That way someone could cash in on the diamonds.

[Dzbabykel]

So here's a question. Why has Jack had to say that story so many times?

I think they are having to lie about the real "story" and you know all Jack, he's always been the leader so perhaps he's the one thats been interviewed about it and has probably had to talk to every news station, talk show, etc. you name it. And don't forget last seasons episode when he tells Kate he's "sick of lying".....that probably goes along with him having to tell the same story over and over again. I have a feeling the big secret is is that they're friends are still alive.

[chococat512]

ok, so if we're assuming that after the oceanic 6 leave the island there are still survivos living there, why would kate have claire's baby. wouldn't claire just keep aaron with her? also, she didn't seem to upset about charlie in episode 4.

[thelawgiver]

Yes, Jack has had to tell his story to Larry King, Barbara Walters, Oprah, Ellen...

Jack probably feels its his duty to be the lying spokesman, so the other O6 don't have to.

Could'nt you see the media frency? I mean they would hire these O6 to be guest commentators on Survivor, etc.

[Dzbabykel]

ok, so if we're assuming that after the oceanic 6 leave the island there are still survivos living there, why would kate have claire's baby. wouldn't claire just keep aaron with her? also, she didn't seem to upset about charlie in episode 4.

Perhaps something happened with Claire and she specifically asked Kate to watch her? Remember the psychic told her that Aaron was "special" and in another episode (I think it was a mobisode) either Juliet or that black woman told Michael that it was good Walt was leaving the island BECAUSE he was so special and held some kind of power. Maybe it would be bad to leave Aaron on the island and Claire just handed him over to be rescued if for some reason she couldn't get on the heli.

Also, we know Desmond saw Claire and Aaron get on the heli so maybe something happens to Claire on the freighter?

[thelawgiver]

Good point. Maybe Claire was either O7 or O8, but died accidentally when they were going to stage the rescue on some other island. And of course, Claire, with her last breath, asks Kate to raise Aaron.

[beachblinkette]

I think the other 815 people are backup for whatever the writers decide to pull out of their hats. It's an easy twist just to bring someone out of the background for whatever you may need in the story line. I don 't really respect them for doing this, if they do, but they have made it very "grabby" so far. An old writers dictum is that it doesn't have to be probable, it just has to be possible. They are working it!!

[TuesdaySmith]

I have a feeling they won't randomly be pulled out of the background for anything important. In one of the podcasts, the guys made it pretty clear that they knew Nicki and Paulo were a bad idea.

[hollie425]

ok so heres my theory:

so i dont think everyone is dead except for the "oceanic 6"

i think everyone is still alive, but on the island. except for the 6

i have no clue as to why jack said 8 ppl. but he was prolly refering to 8 ppl who survied the actual crash. the other 2 could have died on the island.

but thats all a lie, of course!! but wait... maybe its not a lie!!

maybe all of them got rescued, but when they were trying to go home, they couldnt leave, nd the island pulled em back!!

so the plane crashed again!!! nd only 8 survived, 6 got offf the island!!!

wowweee!!!

[Robo42]

I like your theory H. So they keep on reliving the crash, maybe until they get it right?

[thelawgiver]

You mean like Bill Murray in Ground Hog Day? I like my suggestions better as stated more thoroughly above.

[bunnydixon]

ok so heres my theory:

so i dont think everyone is dead except for the "oceanic 6"

i think everyone is still alive, but on the island. except for the 6

i have no clue as to why jack said 8 ppl. but he was prolly refering to 8 ppl who survied the actual crash. the other 2 could have died on the island.

but thats all a lie, of course!! but wait... maybe its not a lie!!

maybe all of them got rescued, but when they were trying to go home, they couldnt leave, nd the island pulled em back!!

so the plane crashed again!!! nd only 8 survived, 6 got offf the island!!!

wowweee!!!

interesting way of looking at it hollie.

[Robo42]

I like your point also Patch, I hope it's not too simple that the writers will try to mess wiith our heads even more.