When Was The Daniel/Candle Video Taped?

[rich101682]

I tried to see if there were any other discussions on this, but I couldn't find anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCVCzplSa6A

If Daniel is dead, when was this filmed? I find it hard to believe that it was filmed after Daniel met Candle at the station but before he got to Sawyer's house.

Anyone got any suggestions? Daniel still alive? And if it is Daniel in the video, what is it that convinces Candle that he's telling the truth about time travel? Candle seemed like he didn't believe it one bit when Daniel brought it up.

[Lostdude2341]

I've said this on 3 differant threads. Yes, Daniel is still alive! lol

[BensBaby]

Maybe it was filmed before Daniel left to go to Ann Arbor. The story lines are not in order in this show. Yes, he could still be alive, just not sure yet.

[Bathsheba]

It couldn't have been before he left for Ann Arbor. Daniel said the accident was going to happen within about 6 hours, right before he got shot. Chang says, in the video, the accident will happen within about 3 hours.

Either Jack fixed him up or the others take him to the temple or the island just heals him, because the island is not done with him.

[vanni11]

may i ask how do we even know its danielle for sure video taping. i agree it sounds alot like him, but do not know if for sure

[Dharma23]

we dont lol its another theory... but the voice sounds and acts like him so...

[ortrules]

we dont lol its another theory... but the voice sounds and acts like him so...

Jeremy Davies confirmed he was in the Comic Con video in this EW video interview.

Around the 3:15 mark. He also says they only released about half the footage they did.

http://www.ew.com/ew/package/0,,1550612_20245764,00.html?bcpid=4396297001&bclid=9302206001&bctid=9298105001

I had another thread about this - and it's either Dan is still alive or the producers have made yet another huge mistake and we're meant to ignore this video.

[Chronos]

The 'Daniel is dead' comments remind me of the comments we saw after 5.10 "He's Our You". There was a general trend of "see? Sayid changed the past, he killed Ben!".

We know how that one turned out.

[rich101682]

The 'Daniel is dead' comments remind me of the comments we saw after 5.10 "He's Our You". There was a general trend of "see? Sayid changed the past, he killed Ben!".

We know how that one turned out.

The only reason I don't want to believe that Daniel is still alive is because that would be 2 people within a month that got shot and looked to be dead at the end of one episode, only to be alive the following week. If they do bring Daniel back, I for one will be really angry at TPTB pulling the same crap trick twice in a matter of weeks.

If Daniel pulls a Young Ben, I'll never trust any death via gunshot on this show ever again. Are they going to say Alex survived her gunshot to the head next week?

[RussellEarl3]

When the Lone Ranger gets shot episode after episode and it always, "I'm fine - he just grazed me." That is pulling the same old crap trick. When more than one person is shot near Richard and the Temple and live; it's a plot point. Ben didn't just happen to live, Richard did something. He looks around before he takes Ben into the Temple, like he doesn't even want one of the Others seeing what he is doing. He's got something in there - magic, an elixer, ambrosia, or more likely the waters of eternal life associated with the Ankh. Richard picks and chooses who he saves and he did not appear particularly grateful to Eloise for shooting Daniel and saving his life.

[Doc]

When it comes to any tv show..."if you want someone dead. shoot them in the head". OR you could say, "if it wasn't in the head, they're probably not dead."

[Deep Thinker]

Is it possible that the Dan has done more time traveling that we don't know about. Perhaps Dan is dead, but it is a previous Dan that visits Dr. Chang after the current one dies. If a previous him somehow already experienced this time, then perhaps that is why he knows about what will happen. I see three(?) possibilities for when this could have happen: 1) During the flashes they experienced, perhaps one we didn't see. 2) During the time between 74 and 77? and 3) Sometime during his experimenting at Oxford.

Just throwing that idea out there (if I made any sense)

[medusashairdresser]

if that were the case, than Chang would have been less dismissive of Dan, I think he somehow doesn't die quite yet, maybe in the next episode we see him still clinging to life and Richard and the others help him to get back to the DI to try and convince Chang again, hence the 3 hr mark of the video. This is cutting it close, but if they just dismiss the secret video, that would be pretty dam lame.:D

[Deep Thinker]

if that were the case, than Chang would have been less dismissive of Dan, I think he somehow doesn't die quite yet, maybe in the next episode we see him still clinging to life and Richard and the others help him to get back to the DI to try and convince Chang again, hence the 3 hr mark of the video. This is cutting it close, but if they just dismiss the secret video, that would be pretty dam lame.:D

I don't really know what to think yet. Perhaps it happens the way you just mentioned, which would explain the timing of the video; but it doesn't sound like a dying Dan in the video (I don't think).

With my theory, my thoughts were that the past Dan didn't actually talk to Chang until after the current Dan does. Perhaps he (past Dan) witnesses himself talking to Chang from a distance, but doesn't actually talk to Chang himself until after the scene we saw in "the Variable."

[notsolost42]

Jeremy Davies confirmed he was in the Comic Con video in this EW video interview.

Around the 3:15 mark. He also says they only released about half the footage they did.

http://www.ew.com/ew/package/0,,1550612_20245764,00.html?bcpid=4396297001&bclid=9302206001&bctid=9298105001

I had another thread about this - and it's either Dan is still alive or the producers have made yet another huge mistake and we're meant to ignore this video.

Notice that Jeremy Davies was a little paranoid about snipers before saying there was more to the comic con video?? Well, perhaps TPTB were the snipers and that's why he is dead. He who opens his mouth gets the pink slip! The video is not canon to the show, and you of all people should know that. The only thing canon about it is that it lets us know the losties will be time traveling. We may never see the second half of the video if there really is one and it doesn't really matter.

[ortrules]

The video is not canon to the show, and you of all people should know that. The only thing canon about it is that it lets us know the losties will be time traveling.

I just find it hard to believe that the producers would spend their time making this video if it wasn't going to be a part of the show. I also find it hard to believe that they would bring in Jeremy Davies to provide the background voice if it didn't mean anything. Why not just film Chang and let some useless intern do the voice? They specifically used Dan.

Remember the Orchid video that was released in the 2007 Comic Con? Would you say that's not canon? Because it seems to me like everyone talks rabbit #15 - even Ben mentioned it last season.

This could be non-canonical. But in my opinion, for the producers themselves to go out and create something like this to stir up fan interest and then come back later and say "oh, just kidding, that video is useless" is incredibly lame.

[evolver]

Guys, what does Canon mean and who are TPTB? Am a newbie here and would like to follow you better. Thanks.

[Waitin4Godot]

Guys, what does Canon mean and who are TPTB? Am a newbie here and would like to follow you better. Thanks.

Canon means "gospel truth" for the show. So something from a game or website might be interesting.. but not truly meant to further the show or be considered part of it. Either the video is meant to be canon (i.e. part of the show) or just a red herring.

TPTB are The Powers That Be -- as in writers.. producers...

[evolver]

Canon means "gospel truth" for the show. So something from a game or website might be interesting.. but not truly meant to further the show or be considered part of it. Either the video is meant to be canon (i.e. part of the show) or just a red herring.

TPTB are The Powers That Be -- as in writers.. producers...

Great, thanks for the quick reply.

[Waitin4Godot]

Speaking of the video... if it's the same one, I thought there's an interview with TPTB which basically says it's not canon...? Or is that some other video? I'm confused!

[Chronos]

Here are some useful Lost Wiki links for all:


What is considered canon: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Canon
The Comic-Con 2008 video: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/DHARMA_booth_video

Now, I know that the Wiki itself is not considered canon by TPTB, but it's interesting that the video in question is listed as semi-canon. The question is, if this is true, then which parts are canon and which parts are not?

[370662]

I thinkt that daniel is dead, but he had knowledge of the incident which leads me to think perhaps this is a future dan come back into the past to warn people - but this doesnt mean we wont see dan again because the present dan could still be roaming the island.

does this sound applicable to anyone? because everyone on here has such intelligent theories lol

[ortrules]

Now, I know that the Wiki itself is not considered canon by TPTB, but it's interesting that the video in question is listed as semi-canon. The question is, if this is true, then which parts are canon and which parts are not?

It's also interesting that the Orchid video that premiered during Comic Con 2007 is listed as canon while this video from Comic Con 2008 is just semi-canon. Is it only semi-canon because the producers realized that Dan's voice was in the video but now that he's dead they have to claim it wasn't meant to be canon? Is this just a simple case of them trying to cover up their mistake?

[FanFiltration]

It's also interesting that the Orchid video that premiered during Comic Con 2007 is listed as canon while this video from Comic Con 2008 is just semi-canon. Is it only semi-canon because the producers realized that Dan's voice was in the video but now that he's dead they have to claim it wasn't meant to be canon? Is this just a simple case of them trying to cover up their mistake?

My thought on this, is that the video of Dr, Chang that is shown is truly Cannon, but all the rest (the frame story) with that stupid hyperactive kid and that DHARMA was trying to openly recruit people at a ComicCon is the non-cannon part. That's why I think it's being called "semi-canon".

The video from 2007 did not have any stupid framing story, and is 100% cannon.

[Tavo]

At 2:37 the person talking is Miles. If you have a good sense of hearing, you should know xD.

Then, at the end, someone else talks, but I'm pretty sure it's not Daniel Faraday. Why? Because Faraday doesn't call him Pierre, Faraday calls him Dr. Chang; I still can't figure out who it is, but it does like Horace...but I keep hearing that British accent which makes me doubt X_X.

[smthng2dowthlost]

Has the fact that TPTB said it was just promotion for the dharma season been posted yet. And it was the first time we heard changs real name so I can see how faraday wouldn't have established the habit of calling him dr. chang yet he might have decided to call him pierre while filming and then later the actor was like you know I think faraday would call a dr. by his respected title.

[Waitin4Godot]

At 2:37 the person talking is Miles. If you have a good sense of hearing, you should know xD.

Then, at the end, someone else talks, but I'm pretty sure it's not Daniel Faraday. Why? Because Faraday doesn't call him Pierre, Faraday calls him Dr. Chang; I still can't figure out who it is, but it does like Horace...but I keep hearing that British accent which makes me doubt X_X.

I agree.. 2:37 isn't Daniel.. probably Miles. As for the voice at the end, part of it really sounds like Daniel, but not all of it. The "This is useless aight?" sounds like him... but then "how do it turn this off" -- especially "off" doesn't... so I'm not sure.

What Chang says is also very confusing. At one point, he admits the purge will happen and he's dead. But.. at the end he's pleading for people to stop what's about to happen -- but what's "about to happen" is 30 years ago.. and he's ok with the idea (so it seems) that he's dead and the purge can't be stopped.

It seems.. the "what's about to happen" is something in 2007 time. This.. starts to make sense to me. I've thought Widmore is up to something and perhaps he is in 2007 time -- like that big metal box on they were moving on the beach?

If you think about it, should someone learn to harness the Island, they would pretty much.. be like a God -- skip from future to past on a whim. The ultimate power of information.

[danielle]

It seems.. the "what's about to happen" is something in 2007 time. This.. starts to make sense to me. I've thought Widmore is up to something and perhaps he is in 2007 time -- like that big metal box on they were moving on the beach?

I think your view is very interesting. I'd always assumed that Dr Chang was referring to the Purge but, of course assumptions can lead you to the wrong conclusion, so I'm going to think about what you've said. It's really interesting that he could be referring to something in 2007, hmmm.

[vonnie]

Daniel is dead, mark my words. The video may have just been for kicks,not neccessarily a real part of the show.

[Epy]

Ugh. I don't know what to think about this. It seems without a shadow of a doubt that Dan is dead, but something about this is nagging me in the back of my head.

I guess their is a possibility there could be something to this. What, I have no clue. I guess we'll have to wait and see. :/

[Epy]

*Update*

Carlton Cuse has officially said this is just a continuity error.

You can see the details on DarkUFO, but be careful of the spoilers! The have a full episode synopsis of tonights episode already so I would suggest checking it out after tonights episode.