Question re: DHARMA......

[dano81818]

Ok... hear me out here... dharma seems to be a defunct project. all the participants in dharma are dead, right? ben and "the hostiles" killed them all, right?

so, 1) why didnt the people running dharma ever show up to see what happened to their subjects and 2) why are there still periodic drops of supplies on to the island?

[ecw0930]

See, i'm tellin ya... Dharma is NOT gone... Dharma is NOT dead..

and they want Aaron!

[Octopod]

Miles and Dan and co. work for dharma

[stevebennet]

Maybe Ben is now in charge of the "experiment" that is the island. Maybe just because the Dharma island people died doesn't mean that Dharma is dead. Maybe they are still collecting data from Ben via the sub and the cameras all over the island. Maybe Ben is just a genius testing everything in every physical and emotional aspect. lol but the whole time warp thing is crazy.

[TuesdaySmith]

Dharma on the island was killed, but I don't think the Dharma program is dead. I don't know where the food came from, but I was thinking that Dharma off the island can't find the island to find out what's going on.

[LOSTLOVER]

Of course Dharma outside the island can find the island...that's why they are dropping the food there. Dan and Charlotte are definitely with Dharma. Did you guys notice that the cards they were doing the esp thing with had Dharma symbols on the back?

[TuesdaySmith]

Of course Dharma outside the island can find the island...that's why they are dropping the food there. Dan and Charlotte are definitely with Dharma. Did you guys notice that the cards they were doing the esp thing with had Dharma symbols on the back?

"Of course"? Then why, when Ben KILLED them all, did Dharma not do anything about it?

The cards they were playing with had The Swan symbol on them, yes. But, they are ON THE ISLAND. The losties had them.

[imascootinspook]

I suspect the cards came from camp, as one of the items picked up and took from one of the stations, just like the food.

[sera]

Dharma on the island was killed, but I don't think the Dharma program is dead. I don't know where the food came from, but I was thinking that Dharma off the island can't find the island to find out what's going on.

I didn't think of that.

remind me.. did they recieve food drops AFTER the hatch was blown up?

Could Dharma not have known that something was wrong untill the buttons were not being pushed?

[bunnydixon]

the food drops triggered the lockdown in the hatch i think but with the last food drop not being all that long ago (and for just 2 men) i dont think there would be another for a while. i am not sure if dharma were entirely aware as they still has people in the hatches long after the purge or perhaps they used the hatches to continue to operate in a safer environment but they are obviously still in operation somewhere as we saw a food drop about 6/8 weeks ago (island time lol)

[hondo987]

I believe that after the purge, the people from DHARMA (on the outside) had no idea that there was a problem until..........Remember when Locke played
Chess at Mikhal's place? After he won, the computer ask if there had been an incurtion by the Hostiles. I believe it was then that the Outside DHARMA knew
there was a problem and sent the Freighter people

[BrothaDezzy]

"Of course"? Then why, when Ben KILLED them all, did Dharma not do anything about it?

The cards they were playing with had The Swan symbol on them, yes. But, they are ON THE ISLAND. The losties had them.

good point I was about to say that glad u said it for me.

[TuesdaySmith]

You guys made some good points - the button not being pushed, and the chess game at Patchy's house as turning points.. But, I still think that mainland Dharma would want to continuously be in touch with island Dharma (if it were possible of course). With the time, money and importance of the initiative, I would just think that keeping in contact would be something that they would want to do.

[Shangri-La]

Of course Dharma outside the island can find the island...that's why they are dropping the food there. Dan and Charlotte are definitely with Dharma. Did you guys notice that the cards they were doing the esp thing with had Dharma symbols on the back?

i think everyone is forgeting the fact that they didnt hear a plane or helicopter when the drop came the lockdown could have been all happening by chance because i think the food was lost in whatever the time delay(wormhole) thing isand could have traveled there from the past

[youalleverybody]

I believe that after the purge, the people from DHARMA (on the outside) had no idea that there was a problem until..........Remember when Locke played
Chess at Mikhal's place? After he won, the computer ask if there had been an incurtion by the Hostiles. I believe it was then that the Outside DHARMA knew
there was a problem and sent the Freighter people

exactly what I was going to say. They didn't know there was a problem or the program had been compromised. Until Locke pushed number 7 I think it was to say "The Hostiles" had compromised the initiative.

[youalleverybody]

You guys made some good points - the button not being pushed, and the chess game at Patchy's house as turning points.. But, I still think that mainland Dharma would want to continuously be in touch with island Dharma (if it were possible of course). With the time, money and importance of the initiative, I would just think that keeping in contact would be something that they would want to do.

Maybe Dharma off the island THOUGHT they were in contact withthem since the button was still being pushed and since the Flame station was still running as per usual by Mikhail.

[Shangri-La]

does anyone know how the guy kelvin got on the island he was in the gulf war(the first one in the 90's) and the purge happened in i believe the 80's because danielle came in 1988 and the others were already running the island also anyone got a good explanation for the foot jin sun and sayid saw and why they never told anyone

[BomberDawg95]

The purged happened, according to statements from Mikihal, in 1993.

I think Dharma had to try and find the Island again, and had trouble doing so without their sonar beacon. The group we are looking at is an attempt by someone, maybe not Dharma themselves, but someone hired by them, to acertain the whereabouts of the initiative.

However, the problem with that is that they only sent five people, and only one was a military person (Naomi).

[islander]

i don't think dharma sent the freighter. why would the helcopter have those gas masks? seems to me the freighter is tied to the others who have gassed people before.

[BrockLanders]

OK so i have been trying to put this together for some time and based on general Si-Fi rules you end with a major battle and or explosion so keep that in mind. Aslo sorry about the novel alot i had to get out.

I believe that this all goes back to the black rock and some natural phenominon that creates the electromagnetic worm hole. Now this worm hole transported Magnus Hanso back from the island leaving some one else his second in comand in change (Jacob maybe). He was transported back to the world at his time in the slave trading days and some how made it back to civiliation from where ever the worm hole kicked him off the island. Then he goes on to create the empire we know as the Hanos Foundation. Through records and what not the primary goal however underlying in the company was to get back to that island and find out how Magnus got back to civiliation and the rest of his crew did not (the rest of his crew being the original Hostiles).

Then Hanos Foundation creates a research group called Dharma to find the island and experiment on it / exploite the islands properties and resources. Now Ben being someone who did not choose to go to the island instatly has rebelious nature toward his living situation and once he realizes there are other people on the island ( the hostiles) he instantly wants to leave his crappy dad and go jungle style. So he waits learnes how Dharma operates and how they are in communication with the real world. Then at the right time Ben and the Hostiles kill off the Dharma folks and take over their living situation. However they do utilize some of the Dharma toys. i.e. The looking glass Ben knew from living with Dharma that that would have to be shut off in order to once again hide the island from being found ( the looking glass being turned off is what signled the freiter connection wise Naomi found the island by accident yes she was looking for it but when her chopper crashed she did not know she was there yet, as or the feiter leaving port ill get to that). So Ben and the hostiles live a normal Others life for some time the hostiles also introduce Ben to Jacbo who is presumably from the Black Rock (means he has been on the island for a long time) and Jacob and the Hostiles teach Ben about the island and why it is special.

Now it can be said that there was a second group already looking for the island that being the Maxwell group who's Chirstian 1 found 815 in the Sunda trench. The Maxwell group is a section of none other then the Hanso Foundation (connection Hanso is still trying to find the island). Then it is also presumable that the freiter is also under Maxwell group orders. From the AR game find 815 we know the Maxwell group uses people who dont know eachother are civilian and have some nitch skill set ie tech stuff or physics or zoology. Thus Dan Miles and friends are working for Maxwell / Hanso. They want to find out what happend to Dharma or presumably know Ben is what happened and Hanso foundation wants Ben to expolite the island for then due to Bens relationship/connection with the island. There for the frieter was sent the moment that Penny's boys in the artic house saw the island for a moment when the hatch blew up. Not saying that Windmore insdustires and Hanso foundation are connected yet but i am saying that Penny's boys where not the only ones looking for that same signal.

The losties are thrown in so we the viewers can experience this battle of island natieves created by the learder that left them against the leader himself coming back and reclaiming the island. The losties however like Ben did not choose to come here that is why some of them can be said to a connection to the island and once they leave realize they need to go back and begin to side with Ben. Therefore the final happening in the last season will be the losties/others/smoky(ie island properties) against the Hanso Foundation/Dharma/ Potentially Widmore (though Widmore may end up saving the day) As for food drops i believe that Dharma did begin to learn how to use the island properties for transporation and replication (the prestiege theory) thus the polar bear in the desert was a failed atempt and they had no idea where the Bear ended up just happend to be desert, however smalled distances and nonliving things where mastered ie the food drops they could be potentially eating the same food over and over just replicaited in the worm whole and trasported to the other side of the island thats just a guess though

also sorry about the novel.

[werlost]

Also, when Locke and them discovered the flame hatch or the pearl I cant' remember which one, they found the notebooks. I think the island part of the experiment stopped except for the swan people because they were seperated from the other hatches and had no knowledge of what was happening in the other hatches, so when the purge happened the work in the other hatches ceased but dharma still exists. Maybe that's why the frieghter guys want Ben so they can come back to the island and resume the experiments.