Has Dan been born prior to getting Shot

[Chicagoish]

Anybody else think there is a baby Dan already on the lsland in 1977 when adult Dan comes back and gets killed?

I say this because why in God's name would Ellie name her future son "Dan" when she knows a crazy adult named Dan claims to be her child and dies at her hands? I would think she would name that baby anything BUT Dan.

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Anybody else think there is a baby Dan already on the lsland in 1977 when adult Dan comes back and gets killed?

I say this because why in God's name would Ellie name her future son "Dan" when she knows a crazy adult named Dan claims to be her child and dies at her hands? I would think she would name that baby anything BUT Dan.

I agree. Also the age of Ellie when she shoots Dan vs. the age of Ellie when she's trying to get Dan off of the piano doesn't look significant enough for her to not have already had Dan when she shot time-traveling Dan.

[Sox1Series]

I also agree, especially because of the age of Charlotte, she looks to be at least 7, and I thought Daniel and Charlotte were about the same age.

[Chicagoish]

I also agree, especially because of the age of Charlotte, she looks to be at least 7, and I thought Daniel and Charlotte were about the same age.

Yes, that's a good point, and brings up another questions..

WHY does Dan have such HOTS for Charlotte? When does he have a relationship with her that he falls in LOVE? Is it just from his freighter time?
They haven't showed us anything regarding that..

[it's never been easy]

I think Dan has been doing this for who knows how long. His notebook is filled with everything he has ever done in his life-including writing down that Desmond was his contact. He just met Desmond a few weeks ago(technically). he knew where Chang would be and the exact time he would be there. He has done this time and time again whether in his mind or in actuality. He knows what is happening during the flashes as well and know Locke has to stop it. Not sure how but he has seen it a few times already

[RussellEarl3]

Just exactly why does/did Dan have the 'hots' for Charlotte? Earlier I was convinced that Charlotte was Dan and Theresa's daughter. I would have to say the the evidence is moving away from that explnation, but it still hasn't been ruled out. They still have not let us see Charlotte's mother which may mean that who she is could be some kind of revelation. And Dan's behavior toward Charlotte does not exactly fit my idea of 'having the hots' for someone. Every time Dan looks at Charlotte his heart appears to melt - more like a father toward a daughter than a man with carnal lust. Of course that all might be explained by the fact that Dan met her as a child with appropriate fondness of an adult for a child. A seperate question is how fond was Charlotte of Jin if she learned Korean as a child. Hopefully these matters will be cleared up.

[370662]

I think Dan has been doing this for who knows how long. His notebook is filled with everything he has ever done in his life-including writing down that Desmond was his contact. He just met Desmond a few weeks ago(technically). he knew where Chang would be and the exact time he would be there. He has done this time and time again whether in his mind or in actuality. He knows what is happening during the flashes as well and know Locke has to stop it. Not sure how but he has seen it a few times already

yes perhaps we will run into a time travelling dan running around the island? lol that would be quite amusing

[Chronos]

Anybody else think there is a baby Dan already on the lsland in 1977 when adult Dan comes back and gets killed?

I say this because why in God's name would Ellie name her future son "Dan" when she knows a crazy adult named Dan claims to be her child and dies at her hands? I would think she would name that baby anything BUT Dan.

I took a cursory glance at Daniel Faraday's bio on the Lost Wiki: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Daniel_Faraday

Evidently, Dan was a professor at Queen's College in 1996. If he was born in 1977, it would mean he was 19 years old. I realize that in "The Variable" we are told that he was the youngest doctor (PhD, I surmise) to graduate from Oxford. The thing is that he doesn't really look younger than 19 when he has dinner with his mother on the day of his graduation.

Thus, I think it is reasonable to conclude that Daniel was born before 1977, before the day he was shot by his mother, and is a child living among The Others... I would say a toddler, not older than 4.

[Chronos]

Just exactly why does/did Dan have the 'hots' for Charlotte? Earlier I was convinced that Charlotte was Dan and Theresa's daughter. I would have to say the the evidence is moving away from that explnation, but it still hasn't been ruled out. They still have not let us see Charlotte's mother which may mean that who she is could be some kind of revelation. And Dan's behavior toward Charlotte does not exactly fit my idea of 'having the hots' for someone. Every time Dan looks at Charlotte his heart appears to melt - more like a father toward a daughter than a man with carnal lust. Of course that all might be explained by the fact that Dan met her as a child with appropriate fondness of an adult for a child. A seperate question is how fond was Charlotte of Jin if she learned Korean as a child. Hopefully these matters will be cleared up.

This is a fascinating theory that I had not considered. I'll have to think about it some more. The only thing that immediately jumps up to me is what Faraday says to Richard about Charlotte in "Jughead":

FARADAY: Because... I'm in love with the woman sitting next to me. And I would never... I would never do anything to hurt her.

Would a father use the expresion "I'm in love with" with regard to his daughter?

We definitely need to know more about Dan and Charlotte's relationship.

[Chicagoish]

I took a cursory glance at Daniel Faraday's bio on the Lost Wiki: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Daniel_Faraday

Evidently, Dan was a professor at Queen's College in 1996. If he was born in 1977, it would mean he was 19 years old. I realize that in "The Variable" we are told that he was the youngest doctor (PhD, I surmise) to graduate from Oxford. The thing is that he doesn't really look younger than 19 when he has dinner with his mother on the day of his graduation.

Thus, I think it is reasonable to conclude that Daniel was born before 1977, before the day he was shot by his mother, and is a child living among The Others... I would say a toddler, not older than 4.

Good research....

[smthng2dowthlost]

just adding my 2 cents here but dan couldn't have have been born on the island the nosebleeds that killed charlotte and everyone else had were a side effect of the duration of exposure to the radiation on the island meaning charlotte then miles then julliet then sawyer and locke and jin dan didn't even get one becasue he has spent the least amount of time on the island. unless he was born and left the island in less than a 100 day period he couldn't have been born on the island.

[MagicoA]

Anybody else think there is a baby Dan already on the lsland in 1977 when adult Dan comes back and gets killed?

I say this because why in God's name would Ellie name her future son "Dan" when she knows a crazy adult named Dan claims to be her child and dies at her hands? I would think she would name that baby anything BUT Dan.
maybe cuz that person claiming to be her son was named dan,and since the others know more about the island they would know that could be possible

I think Dan has been doing this for who knows how long. His notebook is filled with everything he has ever done in his life-including writing down that Desmond was his contact. He just met Desmond a few weeks ago(technically). he knew where Chang would be and the exact time he would be there. He has done this time and time again whether in his mind or in actuality. He knows what is happening during the flashes as well and know Locke has to stop it. Not sure how but he has seen it a few times already
1. its constant lol and 2. are u aware that its been 3 yrs(and a few weeks) since he met desmond,not just a few weeks

[smthng2dowthlost]

they first met in 1996 didn't they

[tyrantchef]

Anybody else think there is a baby Dan already on the lsland in 1977 when adult Dan comes back and gets killed?


Here's my theory. I think Dan was already born and living OFF the island when his mother shot his older self. The scene where Eloise walks in on Dan playing the piano, IMO, happens very shortly(days?) after she shoots him. She still has that horrified look on her face. She is still in shock.
How old did young Dan playing the piano look? I'm terrible with kids ages. If he was 10 in 1977, that would make him 29 when we see him in 1996, and 37 when he returns to the island in 2004. This seems right to me.

[Greg Dharma]

just adding my 2 cents here but dan couldn't have have been born on the island the nosebleeds that killed charlotte and everyone else had were a side effect of the duration of exposure to the radiation on the island meaning charlotte then miles then julliet then sawyer and locke and jin dan didn't even get one becasue he has spent the least amount of time on the island. unless he was born and left the island in less than a 100 day period he couldn't have been born on the island.

there's nothing solid to support this theory, and just as much evidence against it. sawyer and locke and jin werent born on the island, neither was juliet AFAWK. it's more likely that they were on the island before, not necessarily birthed there. another possibility is that the incident is what causes the radiation to happen, and that hadnt happened yet when dan was there in 1954 or 1974-77. or he could have been born on the island and somehow gotten off. we havent seen the others mode of transportation, other than outriggers, but richard pops up off-island, so who knows? i dont think everything has to be explained via some universal theory, since sometimes, writers are just offering clues for specific characters. in this case, the nosebleeds were hints that miles and charlotte were born on the island (or had been there previously). one's individual constitution could factor into it as well, since charlotte might have just had a weak immune system. she was pale enough to be anemic.

if we're following logic, then young baby dan is on the island, or at least alive, when adult dan gets offed by mommy. if you die before you're born, i would think there's a much greater chance of the universe course-correcting your birth; such an event could open up a time loop a la groundhog day. hopefully dan dies only once, if he is dead.

[Lost Down Under]

An interesting point was made earlier. Someone (*) thought that Dan had "done this all before". I must admit I kinda thought that as well during the last episode. When Miles and Dan were waiting at the Orchid to see Dr Chang, a Dharma VW bus pulls up, with Dr Chang in it. Dan says "right on time". How did he know that Dr C was gonna pull up at that time?

(*) the poster was "it's never been easy"

[LissaMarie]

just adding my 2 cents here but dan couldn't have have been born on the island the nosebleeds that killed charlotte and everyone else had were a side effect of the duration of exposure to the radiation on the island meaning charlotte then miles then julliet then sawyer and locke and jin dan didn't even get one becasue he has spent the least amount of time on the island. unless he was born and left the island in less than a 100 day period he couldn't have been born on the island.

We were discussing this in another thread a few days ago and I thought about the same thing. The explanation I came up with was that Daniel had his mind erased by his own hand, much like his girlfriend Theresa. Perhaps that is why he didn't suffer the nosebleeds as badly as Charlotte?

[krakup]

An interesting point was made earlier. Someone (*) thought that Dan had "done this all before". I must admit I kinda thought that as well during the last episode. When Miles and Dan were waiting at the Orchid to see Dr Chang, a Dharma VW bus pulls up, with Dr Chang in it. Dan says "right on time". How did he know that Dr C was gonna pull up at that time?

(*) the poster was "it's never been easy"

hello aussie, how can he have done it all before? oh you mean a time loop or perhaps a closed time like curve. not everyone thinks that and i am firmly sitting on the fence :) if i had to guess i'm going with this is the first and only time, attempts have been made to manipulate a known outcome and jack is the wildcard

[smthng2dowthlost]

there's nothing solid to support this theory, and just as much evidence against it. sawyer and locke and jin werent born on the island, neither was juliet AFAWK. it's more likely that they were on the island before, not necessarily birthed there. another possibility is that the incident is what causes the radiation to happen, and that hadnt happened yet when dan was there in 1954 or 1974-77. or he could have been born on the island and somehow gotten off. we havent seen the others mode of transportation, other than outriggers, but richard pops up off-island, so who knows? i dont think everything has to be explained via some universal theory, since sometimes, writers are just offering clues for specific characters. in this case, the nosebleeds were hints that miles and charlotte were born on the island (or had been there previously). one's individual constitution could factor into it as well, since charlotte might have just had a weak immune system. she was pale enough to be anemic.

if we're following logic, then young baby dan is on the island, or at least alive, when adult dan gets offed by mommy. if you die before you're born, i would think there's a much greater chance of the universe course-correcting your birth; such an event could open up a time loop a la groundhog day. hopefully dan dies only once, if he is dead.

Charlotte dying first because she spent a lot of her childhood and milesgetting the second nose bleed then julietthen the losties at the same time dan this being his first time on the island wasn't exposed long enough to get one thats is hard evidence to support this I don't even consider it a theory Dan in the episode says it has to do with duration of time on the island when he asked miles if he was sure he had never been to the island before. it has nothing to do with birth. THe podcasts imply this too there isn't anything I've heard that would make me think different it makes perfect sense.

Why would dying affect your birth they're time traveling? It's not like he interupted conception or something. And there wouldn't be a loop dan only dies once in 1977 he just has to grow up to 2004 and go back I don't see the need for a course correction

[Lost Down Under]

hello aussie, how can he have done it all before? oh you mean a time loop or perhaps a closed time like curve. not everyone thinks that and i am firmly sitting on the fence :) if i had to guess i'm going with this is the first and only time, attempts have been made to manipulate a known outcome and jack is the wildcard

G'day to you too Aussie!

I'm not sure how he could have done it all before or even if I believe in a time loop (I'm sitting on the fence about everything :) ) but I just thought it was interesting when Dan said "right on time" when Dr Chang shows up at the Orchid. How did Dan know he would be showing up at that time?

I don't have a clue as to what is going on....I can't even follow all these discussions about what is going on!