Juliet

[LostFreak21]

Juliet to me seems a bit strange lately. She has this look about her...kinda like I am just going to stand here and watch. Almost like she knows something like her demise. Does anyone else see it?

[Workman]

Juliet to me seems a bit strange lately. She has this look about her...kinda like I am just going to stand here and watch. Almost like she knows something like her demise. Does anyone else see it?

Yeah, it does seem like she's a bit passive. She's just letting things go as they will, no real emotion of connection with what's going on. I think there will be a large reveal concerning her character. I truly believe that she knows alot more than she's letting on.

[LostFreak21]

That is how I feel too. She has to know something that she isn't letting on.

[New Age Messiah]

I think she realizes she's fallen into Sawyer's demise, she KNEW it was stupid to let him wooo her, but she wanted the sex, finally.

[JohnQ]

Juliet has always been an enigma. Much like Richard. Does she even still want to
get off the island to see her sister or did the sister die?

[smthng2dowthlost]

from what we know the sister is fine and it's 1977 pretty hard to go find your sister if she's in the future. juliet doesn't have a goal anymore it's impossible to get to her sister and nephew so tried to start a new life and is now watching it crumble to pieces she could either get mad or do what she is doing and go with it it's out of her control you know.

[JohnQ]

Juliet has always seemed a tragic figure to me, and I do believe she will sacrifice
herself for Sawyer. I mean her name even suggests her Shakespearean demise.

[Epy]

Since she has been on the show Juliette has been in a state of withholding information. I assume she knows a lot that she isn't revealing.

[New Age Messiah]

Juliet has always seemed a tragic figure to me, and I do believe she will sacrifice herself for Sawyer. I mean her name even suggests her Shakespearean demise.Interesting observation about the name, but I think her affection for Sawyer has mostly vanished.

It's quantum entanglement of the soul variety, her entire life runs polar opposite to ending up with a Sawyer type guy.

She's looking for ANY exit she can find, thinking, WHY did I let this guy smooth talk me? Now I am trapped in his BED OF LIES.

And I personally think she is a WYSIWYG, what you see is what you get character. No big secrets.

[Chelebella]

There's always been something rather "Stepford wife" about her. She shares the same odd lack of emotion as Ben and Claire (both of whom may have been taken to the temple). I've always had a feeling there is more to her than we know, but...maybe she's just a crappy actress.

[JohnQ]

Is Ben still crazy for Juliet ( "BECAUSE JULIET... YOU'RE MINE!" )
Or have TPTB dropped that storyline?

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Is Ben still crazy for Juliet ( "BECAUSE JULIET... YOU'RE MINE!" )
Or have TPTB dropped that storyline?

I think that's just Ben's line to pick up women.
He creepily tells them that they're his, and then he slides a ham across the table at them.

[JfromtheD]

Juliet is puting things in place and setting people up for something.
What, I have no idea... maybe to coarse the Losties to join the Others?

"Jeez Kate, I don't know what to do about this little shot, Ben,
Oh, maybe you should take him to Richard. Hmm..."

"Sawyer, I love you. Now go help Kate."

"Well, I just happen to know the code to the sonic fence. Why don't you go bring Daniel to the crazy lady with the rifle."
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10 bucks says she has somebody do something stupid next week.
I can see it now...

"Hi Jack, no I don't have any sugar to loan you... but there's this guy named Widmore, I hear he has sugar for your coffee. Here take this gun and wave it around so he notices you." :rolleyes::D

[Dead but Here]

I got the impression that she was threatened by Kate showing up and that's why she was acting weird. Sawyer's acting odd too, but it's because they had a pretty good setup, even though they know the purge is coming (minor setback... it'll only hurt for a little while)

Jack and his rescue rangers are screwing up the whole playing house thing. Juliet had a reason to settle down somewhere and Sawyer finally had a place to belong and someone to trust. I like that for both of them. Sucks that everybody dies, don't it?

[New Age Messiah]

I'm going with a nearly angelic Juliet. She helped Faraday do what he desperately wanted to do, she helped Sun wth her pregnancy, she has always helped, helped helped. She has never hurt anyone. Even as Ben was a psycho freaky stalker type creep, she didn't turn on him. She allowed it and let it run its course without calamity or shame. She's a PERFECT woman, but being a woman, helpless to resist a smooth sexy bad boy like Sawyer.

So now, it's either him or her, I think, going bye bye. If they really want to torture Sawyer, they will kill Juliet in front of him. But the previews for next week don't support that, so I don't know.

[Lost Down Under]

I just thought that she had taken one too many Dharma Valium pills

[New Age Messiah]

As far as the subdued emotions, think of what she's been through, babies dying, her husband run over by a bus, having to choose the Losties over Ben, even though the Losties were TOTAL underdogs, etc.

[LissaMarie]

I think that's just Ben's line to pick up women.
He creepily tells them that they're his, and then he slides a ham across the table at them.

Gag. He's got some pretty smooth moves, eh? How could any woman resist a free ham?

[Junglist]

I'm going with a nearly angelic Juliet. She helped Faraday do what he desperately wanted to do, she helped Sun wth her pregnancy, she has always helped, helped helped. She has never hurt anyone. Even as Ben was a psycho freaky stalker type creep, she didn't turn on him. She allowed it and let it run its course without calamity or shame. She's a PERFECT woman, but being a woman, helpless to resist a smooth sexy bad boy like Sawyer.

So now, it's either him or her, I think, going bye bye. If they really want to torture Sawyer, they will kill Juliet in front of him. But the previews for next week don't support that, so I don't know.

I think that they're going to get sent away, widmore style.....

But I do agree that Juliet is one of the good guys (girl, lol) I do think that she knows more than what's going on tho. Some sepecial Other Knowledge is definetly hiding in those blue eyes of hers.

[LostFreak21]

It's kinda weird because everyone has good points about Juliet. She is more complex than one thinks. I feel like she knows what is going to happen with everything. I also feel like she thinks Sawyer has feelings for Kate. When he asked her if she still had his back...
Do you think she knows Jacob?

[Unbridled Pageantry]

Gag. He's got some pretty smooth moves, eh? How could any woman resist a free ham?

Before this whole swine flu thing, ham was the number one way to express your love to a woman. It dates back to early pilgrims, and is meant to show that your not "hamming" around and are taking this courtship seriously.

[LostFreak21]

Or what a guy says to the one he loves...I'll give you a ham bone!

[lostie108]

didnt have time to read all your posts but i have thought she was always kinda playing our losties since she went into their camp for ben and i still think either she is still working for ben . or she she has ben using ben and richard the whole time i mean she downed that oarange juice that richard gave her to put her to sleep to get to the island then she is a other working apparently for ben , but richard recruited her to me this is a signal that she is of a greater purpose to this show . ben back with the others brings back the fertility doctor he needs but what if juliet was the statue . is this possible or have i heard or read wrong that most of you think TAWARET or however you spell it is the statue . now i know the statue and tawaret look nothing alike but what if juliet is the modern day version . just thinking aloud sorry all . but i think it kinda gels together but there is definately something missing to this puzzle in my head .

[HotPocket]

I agree, I never liked her character, she always seemed sneaky and annoying.
I think she knows something thats going to happen...like with the incident or something, and is just gonna let Sawyer fall blindly into his fate.
Poor Sawyer...one time he settles down, the woman he likes is just pulling a con. :(

[ILoSTeDu]

I have a feeling Juliet is going to die by the end of this season, only because a 4 way love tussle would seemingly complicate the final season. I'd prefer to see who Kate chooses (Sawyer or Jack) without any other factors thrown in. The Sawyer/Kate/Jack/Juliet angle just seems to have run its course.

[smthng2dowthlost]

TPTB have never been too worried about complicating things for us:D

[mhzmike]

previously about "LOST"....

..........yes Juliette is very sexy, and quite a woman..why in another life , she made me the best Dharma pancakes and waffles I've EVER tasted....station break

[chester]

previously about "LOST"....

..........yes Juliette is very sexy, and quite a woman..why in another life , she made me the best Dharma pancakes and waffles I've EVER tasted....station break

Yeah, me too.

She makes a MEAN waffle. ;)

[LissaMarie]

Before this whole swine flu thing, ham was the number one way to express your love to a woman. It dates back to early pilgrims, and is meant to show that your not "hamming" around and are taking this courtship seriously.

I thought it meant you wanted to pork?!:eek:

[LostFreak21]

Good point about Richard being the one who recruited Juliet. She must know Richard a lot better than we think. She knew latin which was the language that the others spoke.

[lostie108]

Good point about Richard being the one who recruited Juliet. She must know Richard a lot better than we think. She knew latin which was the language that the others spoke.

nice catch lost freak i did not think of that . hmmmm

[New Age Messiah]

I think everyone on the show has some special significance, but they discover their significance as events unfold, they don't determine it themselves, it's not their little secret, IMHO.

Juliet, to me, uses her knowledge (whatever it might be) benevolently. She has done NO harm to anyone.

Ben uses his knowledge malevolently. He makes sport of confounding and manipulating the less knowledgable, for his own SICK pleasure. He's evil.

Most the characters, except Locke, are scared of their knowledge, they hide it, lie about it. Everyone on the island HAS TO KNOW there are mysterious powers, etc.

It's pretty pointless to try and pretend nothing unusual is going on, yet, that's what most the characters try to do. Fear.

[Jackisthemist]

Shes been invisible this season, "V" caliing I guess...

[lostie108]

Shes been invisible this season, "V" caliing I guess...

i have seen her .

[Turnip Queen]

I'm not sure if she knows THAT much more than she's letting on - at this point in the series they're kinda drifting away from who's keeping secrets etc, and giving more answers and it's more about the island and the series of events that are happening, and less time for character revelations. I wouldn't be that surprised if she still had something yet unrevealed but I don't know if they'll bother!

[New Age Messiah]

Juliet said, to Dharma, "We have known you for three years, we're not here to hurt you."

That's who she is. From the previews, she will notice Sawyer having feelings for Kate. She will realize how stupid she has been to for for a con artist.

She is wise, so she won't hold it against Kate. But she will look out for herself and do the right thing, the same way she did when she left Ben for the Losties.

I predict her and Locke hook up in the end. The two best people on the show.

[VeraLynn]

Juliet said, to Dharma, "We have known you for three years, we're not here to hurt you."

That's who she is. From the previews, she will notice Sawyer having feelings for Kate. She will realize how stupid she has been to for for a con artist.

She is wise, so she won't hold it against Kate. But she will look out for herself and do the right thing, the same way she did when she left Ben for the Losties.

I predict her and Locke hook up in the end. The two best people on the show.

In the preview Juliet is jealous, but who wouldn't be a little bit? But we also see Sawyer trying to reassure her, "I'm with you". It is not the first time he has reassured her that his feelings for her are real. I think her jealousy will serve as a plot device maybe in the same way it did when she told Kate the code to the sonic fence to bring Daniel to the others (a reaction to Sawyer saying "Come with us, Freckles").

But, I'm not convinced that Sawyer will actually want to leave Juliet for Kate. I think Sawyer has gone through a form of redemption, and as he said "has grown up a lot". I think he really does love Juliet. He seemed disturbed that Kate joined them on the sub. He was looking forward to continuing his life with Juliet. He knows he has a good thing going.

[New Age Messiah]

we also see Sawyer trying to reassure her, "I'm with you". It is not the first time he has reassured her that his feelings for her are real.That's what con artists do. It's not that you would hold it against Sawyer, in a personal way, you can empathize.

But it's like with Sayid being a killer, and Ben knowing that, and using it against Sayid. Ben realizes people's weaknesses, and uses them.

Sawyer's weakness is that he wants to love everyone but cannot love anyone, he, like his con artist boss said, back in the flashbacks, IS a con artist, no matter what his feelings are. That's his deeepst truth (so far). He hasn't overcome it, and the show hinted at that, bet on the Cowboys, etc. I think her jealousy will serve as a plot device maybe in the same way it did when she told Kate the code to the sonic fence to bring Daniel to the others (a reaction to Sawyer saying "Come with us, Freckles").I don't think that was her jealousy, she's always settled arguments before they got out of control. She's a decisive diplomatic leader, in the heat of the moment. But, I'm not convinced that Sawyer will actually want to leave Juliet for Kate. I think Sawyer has gone through a form of redemption, and as he said "has grown up a lot". I think he really does love Juliet.See above. He's never "wanted" to do any of his con artist stuff. He can't not do it.He seemed disturbed that Kate joined them on the sub. He was looking forward to continuing his life with Juliet. He knows he has a good thing going.Yeah, I totally agree, but he's conflicted, and Juliet will notice. It's human. Sawyer won't WANT to leave Juliet, but Juliet will see that he hasn't really changed, and leave him, because Juliet is the princess star wonder woman from God. :D

[Jakk]

My thinking is that Juliet is waiting for the next bad thing to happen to her.

First her husband leaves her then her “other” lover (I forget his name) dies and Jack is not that interested in her. I think she feels like it’s only a matter of time before Sawyer and her relationship goes south.

[New Age Messiah]

My thinking is that Juliet is waiting for the next bad thing to happen to her.A perfect time for her Knight on the white horse to arrive, Locke.

[VeraLynn]

Sawyer seems sincere. I agree that Juliet expects things to go poorly, she's has a sort of underdog quality when it comes to romance on the island. Things were finally looking up, and Kate shows up. Of course, that sucks. But I give Sawyer more credit than being nothing but a con man. "LaFleur" seemed designed to convince us that Sawyer has grown up. Juliet has changed him. I think (hope!) that he will stand by her.

[boutte]

I agree that with Julitet what you see is what you get. She's been through the ringer in the 5 or 6 years. Husband dies, sister gets cancer, creepy evil guy keeps her on the Isalnd against her will. Then the creepy evil guy causes her lover to die after she rejects his creepy, nerdy advances.

And she's never done anything in any way to harm anyone. In fact she has always done the right thing even to her own detriment. Remember when she helped the Losties escape from the Others and wound up being branded by the creepy evil bitch? (She did kill that guy though.) She tried to warn Jack about Ben when he was deciding whether or not to operate on Ben's spinal tumor. ( The most likely reason so far for the Island to bring the Oceanic airliner down.) She helped Sun with her issues and did everything she could to see that she got off the Island in time to save her and the baby's life. Even when she was sent by the Others to to infiltrate the Losty camp she wound up revealing herself to Jack.

Who else has been so consistantly good? Of the main characters only Hurley has no blood on his hands. (Well, I guess Jack technically is clean but he did try to kill Locke.) Claire, Rose and Bernard are all pretty innocent and Charley for the most even though he did some pretty scummy stuff after his band broke up.



Edit: Now that I think about it even Hurley killed someone. Ran over guy with the van while rescuing Sawyer, Bernard, Jin and Saiid.

[New Age Messiah]

Boutte's right on. I also agree that Sawyer seems sincere, and he's not just a con man, and Sayid is not just a killer, it's just the theme of the show is how deeply our primal type survival instincts are imbedded, and how those are unique in each character, and Sawyer's #1 survival mechanism is the con, he's got all the tools of the trade, and as much as he wants to be true to the bottom, he can't be, because he hasn't hit bottom.

[VeraLynn]

I agree that with Julitet what you see is what you get. She's been through the ringer in the 5 or 6 years. Husband dies, sister gets cancer, creepy evil guy keeps her on the Isalnd against her will. Then the creepy evil guy causes her lover to die after she rejects his creepy, nerdy advances.

And she's never done anything in any way to harm anyone. In fact she has always done the right thing even to her own detriment. Remember when she helped the Losties escape from the Others and wound up being branded by the creepy evil bitch? (She did kill that guy though.) She tried to warn Jack about Ben when he was deciding whether or not to operate on Ben's spinal tumor. ( The most likely reason so far for the Island to bring the Oceanic airliner down.) She helped Sun with her issues and did everything she could to see that she got off the Island in time to save her and the baby's life. Even when she was sent by the Others to to infiltrate the Losty camp she wound up revealing herself to Jack.

Who else has been so consistantly good? Of the main characters only Hurley has no blood on his hands. (Well, I guess Jack technically is clean but he did try to kill Locke.) Claire, Rose and Bernard are all pretty innocent and Charley for the most even though he did some pretty scummy stuff after his band broke up.



Edit: Now that I think about it even Hurley killed someone. Ran over guy with the van while rescuing Sawyer, Bernard, Jin and Saiid.

It's nice to see someone defending Juliet. She has a strong moral compass, and is really strong seeming, especially compared to Kate, who constantly acts panicked. But she's also a damn good shot. At least all the people she's killed have been in self defense or defense of someone else.

[LostFreak21]

I think Sawyer really likes Juliet. I just feel like Juliet knows what is going to happen and I don't mean Sawyer is going to be with Kate. It's something else but I can't figure out what it is.

[mnm4334]

It vexes me when I see people saying that Juliette isnt a Sawyer type person, honestly, Juliette is the type of women Sawyer needed, Kate is not. Kate is a project and Sawyer is a project, two projects rarely work out. Juliette's faith in Sawyer, and the fact that she right off the bat commited to supporting him goes a long way. Sawyer never had to wonder if she would all of the sudden pull a 180 on him like Kate often did. Kate has shown herself incapable of making a decision, dont get me wrong I'm sure Kate has very strong feelings for Sawyer but it obviously was not enough for her to let him in.

Juliette on the other hand, comes out guns blazing to defend Sawyer, shes supported him even when she thought he was wrong, and her faith in him enable him to become a the man we now see, the man who's faith in her gave Juliette the confidence to deliver amy's baby. I do not blame Sawyer at all for wanting to get the hell of the island with the only women who has put it all on the line for him. At the end of the day, your loyalties lie with the women you love, and Juliette deserves some happiness. Honestly there is noway that Sawyer would ever want to end his relationship with Juliette, I dont think Juliette even realizes how secure her place is in his heart, but for all intents and purposes Juliette saved Sawyers life, and men like Sawyer dont take that lightly, she helped Sawyer become what I think deep down Sawyer always wanted, to be a good man, and to have faith in himself, not just in his ability to con, but to lead and to help those around him.

pre-Juliette Sawyer and post-juliette Sawyer are too different animals, and only a moron would throw that away for Kate. Kate didnt want to stay and play house with Sawyer, Sawyer wouldnt have a life in the oustide world, but Kate wanted to go anyway. When Juliette stayed, simply because he asked, that right there showed the defining difference between kate and juliette. Juliette felt Sawyer was worth it, Kate didnt. unless the writers want to really screw things up, they should acknowledge that Kate and Sawyer are nothing more, that a what might have been.

[tpbaxter]

can I talk about Kate in this thread?... you see I was talking about Juliet in the Kate thread so I said.. nevermind....

[JfromtheD]

can I talk about Kate in this thread?... you see I was talking about Juliet in the Kate thread so I said.. nevermind....
:D

The bad thing is... I followed you here, waiting for you to continue that post.

[New Age Messiah]

pre-Juliette Sawyer and post-juliette Sawyer are too different animals, and only a moron would throw that away for Kate.I agree very nearly completely with everything you said, except a couple of your premises, I think, are off.

Sawyer isn't going to choose Kate over Juliet. You're right, he would never. But, two projects see each other in each other's eyes. S&K are both hot potatoes, Juliet is a warm oven. Juliet saw love in Sawyer's eyes when he looked at Kate. She's not stupid.

Just like Jack's thing for Kate could never be total, due to Sawyer + Kate, Juliet's thing for Sawyer can't be total, due to Kate + Sawyer.

Sawyer has not really transformed much. He lied consistently and always to gain his seat of power in Dharma, con artist. When the Losties showed up he took charge and told everybody what to do, the same way he would have if he could have back at the beach, that's why he always wanted the guns. Sawyer is not into cooperation and teamwork and leadership. He's a lone wolf. Juliet is way more social and that stuff. Their thing is OVER.

I think Kate + Sawyer is going to happen, but not by conscious "choice". They can't resist each other.

[tpbaxter]

I agree very nearly completely with everything you said, except a couple of your premises, I think, are off.

Sawyer isn't going to choose Kate over Juliet. You're right, he would never. But, two projects see each other in each other's eyes. S&K are both hot potatoes, Juliet is a warm oven. Juliet saw love in Sawyer's eyes when he looked at Kate. She's not stupid.

Just like Jack's thing for Kate could never be total, due to Sawyer + Kate, Juliet's thing for Sawyer can't be total, due to Kate + Sawyer.

Sawyer has not really transformed much. He lied consistently and always to gain his seat of pwoer in Dharma, con artist. When the Losties showed up he took charge and told everybody what to do, the same way he would have if he could have back at the beach, that's why he always wanted the guns. Sawyer is not into cooperation and teamwork and leadership. He's a lone wolf. Juliet is way more social and that stuff. Their thing is OVER.

I think Kate + Sawyer is going to happen, but not by conscious "choice". They can't resist each other.

I think Kate + Juliet is going to happen once they see what Sawyer's up to and they both simultaneously realize 'who needs men?'

and then we may get to see the sad sad scene of Saywer + Sawyer. don't feel too bad dude, we've all been there.

[JfromtheD]

How's that saying go...?
"If you get bit enough times by dogs, eventually you get a cat."

[New Age Messiah]

Kate and Sun would be hotter. HOOOOOOOOOOOT

[tpbaxter]

Kate and Sun would be hotter. HOOOOOOOOOOOT

sounds like we're going to need a new poll thread to settle this dispute.

[chester]

I wonder if one of "the rules" is your not allowed to go self + self, when you time travel. I reckon that sheriff chick would pop up again if Sawyer tried to do that.

[chester]

Kate and Kate at ten years apart.

Oh wait, this is the Juliette thread. Sorry.

[New Age Messiah]

Juliet saw love in Sawyer's eyes when he looked at Kate. She's not stupid.

Sawyer is not into cooperation and teamwork and leadership. He's a lone wolf. Juliet is way more social and that stuff. Their thing is OVER.
Juliet being way more social and stuff, tells the lone wolf pig loser Sawyer to get his fat ass off the sub, then tells him it's over, because she's not stupid, and then she saves the world. How could anyone be so prescient??? As to post this priot to the finale? I wonder if he posted stuff even MORE prescient.

[losttime]

Juliet being way more social and stuff, tells the lone wolf pig loser Sawyer to get his fat ass off the sub, then tells him it's over, because she's not stupid, and then she saves the world. How could anyone be so prescient??? As to post this priot to the finale? I wonder if he posted stuff even MORE prescient.

Now how can you call Sawyer a "lone wolf pig loser"? This is the same person that pretty much kept his friends alive after being taken captive by the DI back in 74. He became the head of security. He went after Claire when Ben told him the people were there for them. He knew the risks but stil lwent aftre her and tried to help others around at that time. He became an "overprotective father" to Claire with regards to Miles interaction with her. Wow if he is a "lone wolf pig loser" I wonder what you coin as a "decent person"

[New Age Messiah]

Sawyer has a streak of galantry.

Those adjectives are perfectly descriptive of other aspects of his character, in my opinion. You go with Sawyer, you go down.

The point of the post was to show how remarkable my insights were. No one else even came close to seeing into it that accurately.

[losttime]

Sawyer has a streak of galantry.

Those adjectives are perfectly descriptive of other aspects of his character, in my opinion. You go with Sawyer, you go down.

The point of the post was to show how remarkable my insights were. No one else even came close to seeing into it that accurately.

I just showed you how you are not "accurate" Get over yourself and please take your medication

[bunnydixon]

I just showed you how you are not "accurate" Get over yourself and please take your medication

i think he managed to show that by himself ;)

[New Age Messiah]

What do you mean not accurate? I said Juliet was the wonder woman from God. ACCURATE.

I said their thing is OVER. ACCURATE.

I said Sawyer was a lone wolf. He wants to take his little wolf girl and go bet on sports games. To hell with Jack and everyone else. ACCURATE.

I said Jueliet's not stupid, she wasn't. She dumped Sawyer. ACCURATE.

Sawyer sat on his fat ass for the first two seasons or whatever, while Jack took care of business, Sawyer took care of himself, and treated Hurley like garbage, Sawyer's a pig, at least in certain aspects, he's lazy and he physically has a fat ass, he's chubby. He ven got chased by a pig, because he is one. ACCURATE.

He's a jerk. He knows it. He's gonna collapse in Season 6.

[SpaceBar]

No way has Locke ever been laid.

[New Age Messiah]

No way has Locke ever been laid.:D

Shall we get into a discussion about natural selection??? And how marriage has practically destroyed the human race genatically??

[bunnydixon]

he physically has a fat ass, he's chubby. INACCURATE.




just needed to correct you on a VERY important detail :D

[New Age Messiah]

just needed to correct you on a VERY important detail :DSawyer is chubby. :) :)

You're blinded by his eyes and stuff.

He looks non-atheletic and fat and lazy to me.

He'll probably be 300 pounds in ten years, unless he alters his lifestyle and stuff.