Fringe Gives Insight into Lost

[Workman]

If anyone watched Fringe tonight, there was a scene in which Walter was explaining linear space time and deja vu. How the decisions we make daily create an ongoing alternate reality. It got me to thinking about the 'mirror image' theory and how it may be prolonged deja vu that Walter was talking about on the show. The alternate reality of the 'road not traveled.' He said that is seems like we've been there before (deja vu) because we have, but when we experience it, it's just a little bit different... i.e. an upside down number, a backwards image, a sentence constructed a bit differently, but with the same intentions...etc.

And....Commence.

[Workman]

The previews for next weeks episode seems to tie in with Lost even more. "There are two of everything"/"I'm looking for an alternate reality" and so on.

[notsolost42]

If anyone watched Fringe tonight, there was a scene in which Walter was explaining linear space time and deja vu. How the decisions we make daily create an ongoing alternate reality. It got me to thinking about the 'mirror image' theory and how it may be prolonged deja vu that Walter was talking about on the show. The alternate reality of the 'road not traveled.' He said that is seems like we've been there before (deja vu) because we have, but when we experience it, it's just a little bit different... i.e. an upside down number, a backwards image, a sentence constructed a bit differently, but with the same intentions...etc.

And....Commence.

Seriously??? Wow, what do you know!!!! Thanks for sharing that!

[Workman]

I definitely knew that this info would be of interest to you notso...It's the first thing I thought of when I saw it. They are connecting these two shows more and more. I'm waiting for Massive Dynamic to have a subsidiary called The Dharma Initiative.

[notsolost42]

I definitely knew that this info would be of interest to you notso...It's the first thing I thought of when I saw it. They are connecting these two shows more and more. I'm waiting for Massive Dynamic to have a subsidiary called The Dharma Initiative.

You know, I watched the first one and thought....too much to handle two shows like that!!!! Oh brother!!! Guess I should have stuck with it!!!! You'll keep letting us know about the connections though, won't you?

[Hurley eats the baby]

There are many connections between Fringe and Lost, which isn't surprising considering the Bad Robot/writers of both series. Remember the Oceanic airline ticket several episodes back on Fringe? And doesn't Agent Broyles bear a SHOCKING resemblence to Matthew Abaddon?
Dr. Walter Bishop would have fit right in with the Dharma intitative. Maybe instead of being institutionalized all those years he was working with them? Heck, it may just be the closest thing to a LOST spinoff that we'll ever have.

[krakup]

I definitely knew that this info would be of interest to you notso...It's the first thing I thought of when I saw it. They are connecting these two shows more and more. I'm waiting for Massive Dynamic to have a subsidiary called The Dharma Initiative.

i always thought jj would have fun with both shows maybe a guest spot for lost actor or vice versa. i cant find fringe to watch online it is hard to get it in australia. they showed first few then dropped it here

[notsolost42]

i always thought jj would have fun with both shows maybe a guest spot for lost actor or vice versa. i cant find fringe to watch online it is hard to get it in australia. they showed first few then dropped it here

Ah Krak, that's too bad. I checked and even ABC.com doesn't have it listed! That really stinks! I would start watching online myself also...

[bunnydixon]

i think i've watched the first 4 shows - episode 3 & 4 purely for the comedy value of walter lol!!

[Lostdude2341]

Ah Krak, that's too bad. I checked and even ABC.com doesn't have it listed! That really stinks! I would start watching online myself also...

It's a Fox show. Did you check Fox.com? Just a suggestion. And I heard it got renewed for Season 2...

[notsolost42]

It's a Fox show. Did you check Fox.com? Just a suggestion. And I heard it got renewed for Season 2...

*smacks self upside the head*

BOINGGGG!!!!!Oops! I forgot!

[Missie]

I watched it and somehow I knew that there would be a couple posts about it on here. However, I dont think it is related at all. JJ wrote Heros too, and Damelton has said over and over again that the time travel in LOST is nothing like Heros. The Oceanic airline ticket was a shout out to LOST fans, JJ does this in all his shows, with Oceanic, Dharma, and Slusho.

On a side note: Did anyone see the book about Hollow Earth on the fire girls bookcase? I remember when that was a theory posted on here. Very interesting wierd stuff!

[ortrules]

I watched the first 10 minutes of Fringe last night after only watching the first few episodes. And then I realized that after nearly an entire season, they still haven't changed the formula of that show, and it still sucks.

1. Strange person is seen and an even stranger event occurs.
2. Walter gives some crazy explanation for how it could really happen.
3. His son, Charlie Conway from the Mighty Ducks (Pacy, for some of you) doubts him.
4. Walter remembers doing this in an experiment 30 years ago.
5. The chick catches someone, or nearly catches them.
6. Abaddon says something about the pattern.
7. Show ends without any kind of closure.

Repeat.

Edit: Oh, sorry, spoiler alert.

[LostFringe]

I watched the first 10 minutes of Fringe last night after only watching the first few episodes. And then I realized that after nearly an entire season, they still haven't changed the formula of that show, and it still sucks.

1. Strange person is seen and an even stranger event occurs.
2. Walter gives some crazy explanation for how it could really happen.
3. His son, Charlie Conway from the Mighty Ducks (Pacy, for some of you) doubts him.
4. Walter remembers doing this in an experiment 30 years ago.
5. The chick catches someone, or nearly catches them.
6. Abaddon says something about the pattern.
7. Show ends without any kind of closure.

Repeat.

Edit: Oh, sorry, spoiler alert.

You need to watch more of the season. It is a really good show that keeps you on your toes. I will agree that in the beginning of each episode something bizarre happens. And doesn't LOST kind of end sometimes with no closure? Remember that this is the first season of Fringe, hopefully it can only get better and not bomb like Heroes did after the first season.

[Missie]

I like the show, it has been getting alot better. Its pretty out there though. MY fiance hates it! It's a fight for the remote every time I want to watch it. I always win.

Another really good new sci-fi show that Im falling in love with is Dollhouse! Anyone watch it? Dont invest to much time, its getting cut after the first season. :( What did they expect when they put it in a Friday night time slot?

[LostFringe]

I like the show, it has been getting alot better. Its pretty out there though. MY fiance hates it! It's a fight for the remote every time I want to watch it. I always win.

Another really good new sci-fi show that Im falling in love with is Dollhouse! Anyone watch it? Dont invest to much time, its getting cut after the first season. :( What did they expect when they put it in a Friday night time slot?

Dollhouse is a pretty interesting concept to a show. That is a shame it's getting cut :( Eliza Dushku is smoking!

Hooray to procrastinating studying for finals by surfing the lost message boards!

[JfromtheD]

Attn: Missie

The fact that you know what Slusho is, is fantastic!

I spent weeks on that site looking for Cloverfield clues.
But my question is, where else was it shown?

Thanks! :)

[Missie]

Slusho was first mentioned in Alias. In heros one of the characters was seen drinking a slusho or something. Im not sure on the details because I never watched either of those shows.

[JfromtheD]

Slusho was first mentioned in Alias. In heros one of the characters was seen drinking a slusho or something. Im not sure on the details because I never watched either of those shows.
Cool, thanks!
I never watch Alias or Heroes, either. :)

[natego]

Watching Fringe is funny for me, being from the Boston area.. They are constantly saying things and showing things that make no sense.. but only to someone like me.

They even mentioned the ACTUAL street I live on!

[DontTellMeWhatICantDo]

Fringe is horrible. I cannot believe the writers of lost wrote Fringe. Lost is sooo epic, all the characters are well portrayed, and you actually make connections with them. Fringe actors are awful, i dont know if its the cheesy lines or just the complete udder lack of emotion and expression from the main character Olivia. Gave it a chance for about 1/2 the season, and got sick of every show basically being a repeat of the previous episode.
The funniest part is Walter creates an antidote for something not normally seen from this world in roughly 15 minutes every show. Im a chemist and ive been working on a few compounds for roughly a year and they're still not completed. Maybe i need some lessons from Walter??

[Workman]

Well...This thread got off track quickly.

[VeraLynn]

Watching Fringe is funny for me, being from the Boston area.. They are constantly saying things and showing things that make no sense.. but only to someone like me.

They even mentioned the ACTUAL street I live on!

Haha...so you must notice how they film most of it in New York. They even use Brooklyn College as their Harvard set.

[ConfidenceMan]

I totally agree about Olivia Dunham. Anna Torv must be one of the worst actresses I've ever seen. Kirk Acevedo that plays Charlie Francis is also horrible. They make it such a chore to watch the show.

[Workman]

I totally agree about Olivia Dunham. Anna Torv must be one of the worst actresses I've ever seen. Kirk Acevedo that plays Charlie Francis is also horrible. They make it such a chore to watch the show.

I think John Noble makes up for them. He's brilliant.

[ConfidenceMan]

he's brilliant, yes, but he doesn't make up for them

[3d-aholic]

Yes...I just started watching LOST this season and I can already tell you this is "EXACTLY" what they are doing in LOST. I get amused at everyone trying to piece together all these different stories and time lines like they are somehow connected. Many of you will be sore at the end where there is no connection.

Each so many shows, they simply introduce a "new timeline" and a new set of events. They are not connected at all to the previous shows or event except at the very beginning. I mean the losties try and make a connection...and thats to entice the viewer to do the same and leave them with a mystery. However, in reality there is no connection.

In addition, I can tell you that the "unfriendlys" as they are called are actually the "constants" of time. Thats why each time the losties see them they are unware of them and are seeing them for the first time. The Losties are stuck in a time paradox. The hostiles however are not in the time paradox....they are in "real time" albeit flowing at a constant rate relative to the paradox.

I assume when they are ready to end the series they will film a last show where they come out of the time paradox and continue on with "normal time" unabashed by separate time streams/realities.

So when all of you think you know something from a previous show...you actually just know a bunch of shows that have little or nothing to do with the current shows we are watching. The producers of the show can literally go on doing this forever. They just have to keep from stepping on their toes giving you some kind of dual event they have no way to explain a causal relationship with...which I'm sure they have done by mistake several times but were able to rewrite themselves back out of.

I still like the show though. :D

[Workman]

Yes...I just started watching LOST this season and I can already tell you this is "EXACTLY" what they are doing in LOST. I get amused at everyone trying to piece together all these different stories and time lines like they are somehow connected. Many of you will be sore at the end where there is no connection.

Each so many shows, they simply introduce a "new timeline" and a new set of events. They are not connected at all to the previous shows or event except at the very beginning. I mean the losties try and make a connection...and thats to entice the viewer to do the same and leave them with a mystery. However, in reality there is no connection.

In addition, I can tell you that the "unfriendlys" as they are called are actually the "constants" of time. Thats why each time the losties see them they are unware of them and are seeing them for the first time. The Losties are stuck in a time paradox. The hostiles however are not in the time paradox....they are in "real time" albeit flowing at a constant rate relative to the paradox.

I assume when they are ready to end the series they will film a last show where they come out of the time paradox and continue on with "normal time" unabashed by separate time streams/realities.

So when all of you think you know something from a previous show...you actually just know a bunch of shows that have little or nothing to do with the current shows we are watching. The producers of the show can literally go on doing this forever. They just have to keep from stepping on their toes giving you some kind of dual event they have no way to explain a causal relationship with...which I'm sure they have done by mistake several times but were able to rewrite themselves back out of.

I still like the show though. :D



I see you're rather new...Welcome. Do some digging on some of the "inconsistencies" that have been popping up in episodes. Presumably on purpose. Upside-down numbers, sentences worded differently, mirror images, and so on. What Fringe touched on last night was that in linear time, there can be prolonged deja vu. And that we experience it because we were actually there in a different capacity or dimension. A lot of what has surfaced with the obsessive over analyzation that has happened on this message board (props to everyone) is that that may be exactly what is happening on the island.

[Workman]

3d...I think you may be very surprised at the amount of time and effort that these fine folks have put into understanding this show. It borders on amazing. Enjoy.

[3d-aholic]

There is no such thing as "linear time". There are not different kinds of time. Time is time. It is not absolute. It is not predetermined. It is casuality based. It is a dimension. It is spatially based. It is probability based.

Its a tv show for goodness sakes...you would think its reality.

The writers are writing science fiction. They have several independent time threads running for each episode. They have consistently introduced a new way to get new time threads created at anytime via: a hypothetical electromagnetic source; a pendulum swinging in a room; a wheel at the bottom of a well; time flashes; etc.

All of you are over-analyzing the show and thats what the writers are counting on...those are mysterys to get you to the tv at 8pm every wednesday. ;)

[notsolost42]

There is no such thing as "linear time". There are not different kinds of time. Time is time. It is not absolute. It is not predetermined. It is casuality based. It is a dimension. It is spatially based. It is probability based.

Its a tv show for goodness sakes...you would think its reality.

The writers are writing science fiction. They have several independent time threads running for each episode. They have consistently introduced a new way to get new time threads created at anytime via: a hypothetical electromagnetic source; a pendulum swinging in a room; a wheel at the bottom of a well; time flashes; etc.

All of you are over-analyzing the show and thats what the writers are counting on...those are mysterys to get you to the tv at 8pm every wednesday. ;)

Telling some people on this site that time is not linear is like saying that the sun doesn't rise. You must be new. Welcome to the forum. I have tried to explain over and over again that time is a four dimensional manifold and most people continue to say that Daniel Faraday said time is like a street. Good luck with your thoughts and efforts.

[Turnip Queen]

I am absolutely LOVING Fringe! The last episode I saw was the one where the guy is projecting his emotions onto people, resulting in what looks like suicides and Olivia is dreaming about them. That was brilliant! The bit with the train station at the start was really creepy - and actually very like a Korean film I saw called 'Apartment'!

[3d-aholic]

Telling some people on this site that time is not linear is like saying that the sun doesn't rise. You must be new. Welcome to the forum. I have tried to explain over and over again that time is a four dimensional manifold and most people continue to say that Daniel Faraday said time is like a street. Good luck with your thoughts and efforts.
:D
Sorry.
Saying time is linear is like saying you don't have free will.
Any one of us could get up tommarrow morning, buy a gun and shoot the first person we see and it could by that this current time line destines that person to be the next president.

Do these people think they have no "free will"? Even God says you have free will. And, so does Science. That means they have nothing on their side to support that theory.

People think time is linear because they think "large" scale Newtonian physics because they can "wrap" their mind around it. Unfortunately, Einstein, Heisenberg, and Schroedinger came after him.

Yeh time is like a steet where you can only see barely see one blurry foot down the road looking through the magnifying glass you are forced to use as an eye piece. It looks like a street....is it really?...nope.

[notsolost42]

:D
Sorry.
Saying time is linear is like saying you don't have free will.
Any one of us could get up tommarrow morning, buy a gun and shoot the first person we see and it could by that this current time line destines that person to be the next president.

Do these people think they have no "free will"? Even God says you have free will. And, so does Science. That means they have nothing on their side to support that theory.

People think time is linear because they think "large" scale Newtonian physics because they can "wrap" their mind around it. Unfortunately, Einstein, Heisenberg, and Schroedinger came after him.

Yeh time is like a steet where you can only see barely see one blurry foot down the road looking through the magnifying glass you are forced to use as an eye piece. It looks like a street....is it really?...nope.

Browse through some of the WHH threads and you should get some good giggles. I tried to write a thread about time can change, or tcc as it is being called for short, but my thread was unfortunatly hijacked by the lunitic fringe of whh'ers. It's nice to speak to someone else who sees the same things. There is science behind this great science fiction show and it's nice to see another poster who gets it. We are unfortunatly a minority I think. Oh, and you left out Stephen Hawking. Don't people here wonder why TPTB named a major, time-knowlegable if not time traveling character after a well known and respected astrophysicist who has defined quantum physics? Go figure.