Jughead - Hatch Fail Safe

[LostFringe]

I'm not sure if this has been said before but here is what I think. The other night when Lost reruns were being played on Sci-Fi, I made an interesting connection with the season finale of season 2. Kelvin tells Desmond that the Incident was a leak of the electromagnetic force under the swan and that in order to dissipate the energy the button must be pushed. He also says that the fail-safe is the "only other way out." Faraday said in the last episode that he wants to cancel this electromagnetism by exploding Jughead over the swan. I think that after the Incident happened, someone (maybe one of the O5) advised the DI about Faraday's Jughead solution to the electromagnetism. The DI then somehow found and put Jughead by the swan. Another thing that quickly came to mind was how Widmore said to Ben (as Widmore was leaving the Island) that if the Island wanted something done, it would be done (ie, Alex being killed.) Maybe the Island is trying to detonate Jughead in 1977. If this paragraph was hard to read I apologize. I just took an Electromagnetic Fields exam and this is what popped into my head during the exam :p

[TXAgg]

I put something about this in the "why blow it up thread"...

It would be kind of interesting if jughead was sitting under the swan and Desmond turned a key to set it off.

[LostFringe]

Ah, I just got out of my exam and wanted to put my thoughts down before I forgot them along with everything else I just studied and was tested on :p

[Workman]

Nice deduction. It would make sense.

[Workman]

After the hatch exploded, there was no need for the buttons to be pushed...No pent up energy.

[LostFringe]

It also makes sense why the DI would put Jughead there as a fail safe. They most likely would like to study the EM at the swan while they were still there and if something bizarre were to happen again (ie, the Incident) they could prevent it.

[Chronos]

I'm not sure if this has been said before but here is what I think. The other night when Lost reruns were being played on Sci-Fi, I made an interesting connection with the season finale of season 2. Kelvin tells Desmond that the Incident was a leak of the electromagnetic force under the swan and that in order to dissipate the energy the button must be pushed. He also says that the fail-safe is the "only other way out." Faraday said in the last episode that he wants to cancel this electromagnetism by exploding Jughead over the swan. I think that after the Incident happened, someone (maybe one of the O5) advised the DI about Faraday's Jughead solution to the electromagnetism. The DI then somehow found and put Jughead by the swan. Another thing that quickly came to mind was how Widmore said to Ben (as Widmore was leaving the Island) that if the Island wanted something done, it would be done (ie, Alex being killed.) Maybe the Island is trying to detonate Jughead in 1977. If this paragraph was hard to read I apologize. I just took an Electromagnetic Fields exam and this is what popped into my head during the exam :p

Interesting theory... one that certainly has merit.

At the end of Season 2 in episode 223 "Live Together, Die Alone", when Desmond turned the failsafe key, we did not see a hydrogen bomb explosion, with a mushroom cloud... did we? The sky turned purple with a bright flash, with Ben looking as though he expected it.

On the other hand, perhaps the release of atomic energy when Jughead is detonated (if this theory is true) combines with the powerful EM field under the Swan it results in the purple sky effect.

Sure would like to see this theory proven/disproven in this season, and not in season 6.

[InTheBeginning]

[QUOTE=LostFringe;215439]I'm not sure if this has been said before but here is what I think. The other night when Lost reruns were being played on Sci-Fi, I made an interesting connection with the season finale of season 2. Kelvin tells Desmond that./QUOTE]

I can't blame an exam, but I posted the same theory last night!
http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8994

[InTheBeginning]

After the hatch exploded, there was no need for the buttons to be pushed...No pent up energy.

Tell Kate about pent up...something or other. Wait, that's a different thread all together!:rolleyes:

[notsolost42]

I have a question for anyone on this thread. What makes you think that the DI have Jughead? In 1954 when the losties discovered it and Dan said to bury it, Jughead was in the possession of the Others. How did the DI get it from them?????

[linuxit]

I have a question for anyone on this thread. What makes you think that the DI have Jughead? In 1954 when the losties discovered it and Dan said to bury it, Jughead was in the possession of the Others. How did the DI get it from them?????

Only thing I can think of is that during The Incident, the magnetism got so strong that the Jughead got drawn to where the Swan station was going to be built. If the magnetism can pull down airplanes in mid-flight, then it should be able to attrack anything metal with-in miles around. Otherwise Dharma is clueless that the Jughead exists.

IMO, the Jughead is just a Red Herring though. If it was ever going to blow up, it would of blown up when the American's dropped it on the island.

[LostFringe]

Only thing I can think of is that during The Incident, the magnetism got so strong that the Jughead got drawn to where the Swan station was going to be built. If the magnetism can pull down airplanes in mid-flight, then it should be able to attrack anything metal with-in miles around. Otherwise Dharma is clueless that the Jughead exists.

IMO, the Jughead is just a Red Herring though. If it was ever going to blow up, it would of blown up when the American's dropped it on the island.

Very good call there on the magnetism attracting it! I'm no nuclear scientist but my understanding of how H-bombs work are that they need to be detonated to work (physics teacher soph year college claims that.) When the Losties where in 1954 (?) someone said that the American army was testing bombs on the island. They would not have dropped the bomb from the sky and instead they would have probably placed it somewhere they can get the most efficient measurements for its effectiveness (ie, radius of explosion and such.)

I'm also guessing that the reason there was no mushroom could is because when the hatch imploded, the H-bombs energy and the electromagnetic energy consumed each other and radiated the violet light and the noise.

[JfromtheD]

I say it gets blown up.
Similar to last seasons finale. Bun instead of 'bloop' it's 'boom.' :eek:

This is Lost's final cliffhanger. It's got to be a big one.

[InTheBeginning]

I have a question for anyone on this thread. What makes you think that the DI have Jughead? In 1954 when the losties discovered it and Dan said to bury it, Jughead was in the possession of the Others. How did the DI get it from them?????

Good question. Faraday's journal is my thought on that. What other type of device would/could the DI build that could contain the EM with a turn of a key? I'm really not that educated on this stuff yet.

[linuxit]

The Jughead might or might not of been dropped from a plane. I think the Others built that tower rig to pull the Jughead out of the ground after it was dropped. Why else would the Jughead be hanging from the tower? There were even piles of dirt around the tower where they were digging.

http://lost.cubit.net/assets_c/2009/01/5x03_jughead_1-thumb-470x264-1523.jpg

[notsolost42]

Good question. Faraday's journal is my thought on that. What other type of device would/could the DI build that could contain the EM with a turn of a key? I'm really not that educated on this stuff yet.

Just as inputing the numbers into the computer released smaller, controled amounts of EM, the failsafe key releases its entire buildup. That is why it is a failsafe. If the buildup continued then God help us all when it finally blows. Someone posted that the h-bomb and the EM are what caused the purple sky but how can that be possible when we have witnessed it occur more than once? The purple sky is the result of an ultraviolet catastrophe, which is the sudden release of EM radiation from a black body. The exotic matter is a black body. When a black body is cold, as in the ice caves, it does not release EM but as it slowly warms it begins to release it. A black body can possibly be a singularity. A singularity is possibly at the "center" of a black hole. Starting to see the trail? When the wheel is turned it releases a very large quantity of EM by opeing up an apiture type device. We all saw the area behind the wheel begin to glow like the purple sky did when the wheel was turned. The release of the EM is what holds open the black hole for the time shifting. It is a Kerr Black Hole. I had originally thought it to be a Schwartzchild Black Hole but stand corrected. A Kerr Black Hole has an entrance and an exit. Hmmmm.....
The island is always moving. I had originally said it was floating in the ergosphere of a black hole a long time ago as a kind of joke. But, it seems to not be a joke. Now we know the island is always moving and TPTB have confirmed in last weeks podcast that it is always moving in a slow fashion. When the wheel is turned and it opens the black hole the island moves through it. This has to be the "hyper drive" that Carlton Cuse talked about in the same podcast when he spoke of why the wheel is turned to make the island move if it is already moving.
I really don't care what other people think, the science behind Lost is there and if you care to look at it you will get a nice perspective of the show.
BTW, when I said that the singularity was at the center of the black hole I did not mean that as a literal center.

[Dead but Here]

Regardless of what exactly happened to the Swan... Has anyone figured out why it spit out the four people who were in it at the time? They should have been blown up or crumpled up or.... something... right? Why were they all laying around in the jungle unharmed? (and in one case, naked)

[notsolost42]

Regardless of what exactly happened to the Swan... Has anyone figured out why it spit out the four people who were in it at the time? They should have been blown up or crumpled up or.... something... right? Why were they all laying around in the jungle unharmed? (and in one case, naked)

My guess is that they were still integral characters in the show at the time.

[LostFringe]

Just as inputing the numbers into the computer released smaller, controled amounts of EM, the failsafe key releases its entire buildup. That is why it is a failsafe. If the buildup continued then God help us all when it finally blows. Someone posted that the h-bomb and the EM are what caused the purple sky but how can that be possible when we have witnessed it occur more than once? The purple sky is the result of an ultraviolet catastrophe, which is the sudden release of EM radiation from a black body. The exotic matter is a black body. When a black body is cold, as in the ice caves, it does not release EM but as it slowly warms it begins to release it. A black body can possibly be a singularity. A singularity is possibly at the "center" of a black hole. Starting to see the trail? When the wheel is turned it releases a very large quantity of EM by opeing up an apiture type device. We all saw the area behind the wheel begin to glow like the purple sky did when the wheel was turned. The release of the EM is what holds open the black hole for the time shifting. It is a Kerr Black Hole. I had originally thought it to be a Schwartzchild Black Hole but stand corrected. A Kerr Black Hole has an entrance and an exit. Hmmmm.....
The island is always moving. I had originally said it was floating in the ergosphere of a black hole a long time ago as a kind of joke. But, it seems to not be a joke. Now we know the island is always moving and TPTB have confirmed in last weeks podcast that it is always moving in a slow fashion. When the wheel is turned and it opens the black hole the island moves through it. This has to be the "hyper drive" that Carlton Cuse talked about in the same podcast when he spoke of why the wheel is turned to make the island move if it is already moving.
I really don't care what other people think, the science behind Lost is there and if you care to look at it you will get a nice perspective of the show.
BTW, when I said that the singularity was at the center of the black hole I did not mean that as a literal center.

Excellent post. Your spot on with the science! Let's hope this question is answered soon!

[notsolost42]

Excellent post. Your spot on with the science! Let's hope this question is answered soon!

Thanks. This is only exactly what I've been saying from the beginning! No one ever listens to me.:( Hahahaha!!! Their loss!!!!:D

[Dead but Here]

My guess is that they were still integral characters in the show at the time.

Hehe... Nobody got hurt by being in an imploding building because it was in the script. Man... I need to get me one of those script thingies.