Richard Time Traveling from the Future

[notsolost42]

Dear sweet ageless Richard. He is soooo old and has been n the island for a very, very long time. Well, what if Richard was actually the only one time traveling, backwards...from the future? What if traveling backwards from the future to the past made you younger? Kind of like looking up at a star and seeing it the way it was thousands of years ago. Supposed the compass that he had was so rusty because it was so old. He is the one that brought it with him, not Locke. As Richard is traveling backwards he is getting younger. Supposed that is what the real timeline is? Just because he has been called very old and it is said he's been on the island for a very long time does not have to mean that he started there in the past....what if he started there in say, 2060? The timeline is from the future to the past and all jumbled up for us to sort out and we have been looking at it backwards!

[smthng2dowthlost]

I don't get it aren't the losties traveling backward they went from 2004 to 1977. It does sound like that could explain richard and even little things like appreciation for the black rock(or whatever pirate ship he was building) as oppposed to him being on it at one time maybe he's never seen ships like that in his time. Just thinking out loud don't hold me to it.

[JfromtheD]

Someone said the other day (I need to find out who, because I like to give credit, when it's due)

... Richard was from the future. And that we don't age until we find our original time, more or less.

Juliet gave a nice clue, when she answered "because Richard's always been here."

Maybe he hangs out there, because he's waiting for his 'ride home.'

[notsolost42]

Someone said the other day (I need to find out who, because I like to give credit, when it's due)

... Richard was from the future. And that we don't age until we find our original time, more or less.

Juliet gave a nice clue, when she answered "because Richard's always been here."

Maybe he hangs out there, because he's waiting for his 'ride home.'

Yes, by all means, credit where credit is due. Things actually kind of make more sense if you think of it from the future backwards. And not only that clue from Juliet, but what about the xray that Richard showed Juliet in Portland. The one of the young woman with the deteriorating insides like those of an old woman? Okay, picture this. Adam and Eve are not from the 1950's but rather they died sometime around 2050 or so. They could be two of our losties that stayed and make their lives on the island until they lived out their days and died. While we are so busy looking at the past for the answers, the answers are right in front of us....just like TPTB said. An old magicians trick....diversion. They have us so busy looking in one place for the answers, and mirror worlds may be one as well, that we never look right in front of our noses!

Check this out. What ever happened, happened because it was all in the past. Jack does detonate the plutonium trigger from Jughead. That is what caused the radiation sickness that Kelvin was worried about, cure and cause of cancer, fertility problems, etc. But, if you think about it, it always did happen because in 2004 Kelvin was wearing a hazmat suit and he was taking injections every nine days. I made a post about radiation sickness and injections to "cure" it. It all makes sense I think. Yes, the plane always crashes, they always return, etc., etc. But we are watching it backwards in a way. The story begins in the future somewhere around 2050 or so.

Just suppose the end of the series is Richard telling the story of Ji Yeon, Aaron, little Charlie and Walt's parents....

[JfromtheD]

I just thought of something... I've been re-watching this season, gearing up.
I'm on Jughead (as of last night at about 1:00 a.m.) Funny, I started doing the math after Richards quote "we chose our leaders at a very young age."

Ellie was 17, and I thought about the fact that she was born in 1937.
My thoughts were 'who was the leader' before Widmore? Because he wasnt in '54, based on the way Richard spoke to him "I said put the gun down..."

That's the first time I ever thought about it. That the past has been overlooked... and now, you've just reinforced it.

So let's say you're on to something...
My most curious timeframe is now sometime between 1881 and 1937.
(Black Rock to Ellie/Widmore's birth)
And 1937 to 1954.

[notsolost42]

I just thought of something... I've been re-watching this season, gearing up.
I'm on Jughead (as of last night at about 1:00 a.m.) Funny, I started doing the math after Richards quote "we chose our leaders at a very young age."

Ellie was 17, and I thought about the fact that she was born in 1937.
My thoughts were 'who was the leader' before Widmore? Because he wasnt in '54, based on the way Richard spoke to him "I said put the gun down..."

That's the first time I ever thought about it. That the past has been overlooked... and now, you've just reinforced it.

So let's say you're on to something...
My most curious timeframe is now sometime between 1881 and 1937.
(Black Rock to Ellie/Widmore's birth)
And 1937 to 1954.


So....continue....what about that time frame?

SIde note: As in The Stand, in the end when the small groups of humans venture off to try and procreate and save the human race, so perhaps did those left on the island after Jack or whomever detonated the plutonium. All of what we see and think are ancient are not...they are from the rebirth of mankind in the future! I could definitly see this "acid" twist to the story that Damon and Carlton are telling!!!!!

[JfromtheD]

:D I don't know... like I said, it was 1 a.m. :D

The tough part is the TPTB say time travel is done.
Otherwise, I'd expect something along the lines of MagnusHanso being the leader...possibly the first. Followed by an offspring. That could cover the 70-80 years before Widmore.

It seems like Radzinski knew of him (final resting place, and what not.)

'End game' could be with the Black Rock.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Oh now that just messed me all up..... :mad:.... (just kidding...but I think I'll take an aspirin anyway)

[boutte]

Someone said the other day (I need to find out who, because I like to give credit, when it's due)

... Richard was from the future. And that we don't age until we find our original time, more or less.
Juliet gave a nice clue, when she answered "because Richard's always been here."

Maybe he hangs out there, because he's waiting for his 'ride home.'

I think that's right. NotSo, I thought you were the one who proposed that.

[notsolost42]

:D I don't know... like I said, it was 1 a.m. :D

The tough part is the TPTB say time travel is done.
Otherwise, I'd expect something along the lines of MagnusHanso being the leader...possibly the first. Followed by an offspring. That could cover the 70-80 years before Widmore.

It seems like Radzinski knew of him (final resting place, and what not.)

'End game' could be with the Black Rock.

Okay, so the series finale is Richard elling the story of the island to Ji Yeon, etc. and it ends at the Black Rock? Okay, I'll buy that. As far as TPTB are concerned, Damon referred to the "flimsy time travel" on last weeks podcast. He could have been sarcastic or maybe not...

[notsolost42]

I think that's right. NotSo, I thought you were the one who proposed that.

No, I don't think I did. In fact, I'm pretty sure it wasn't me. I don't think I get the part about aging when you get to your time though. I am thinking that he is time traveling backwards, from say 2060 or more. So, his place is in the future. I don't think it's quite the same.

[JfromtheD]

This week is the one podcast I didn't hear.
(I took the summary for granted.) :o

So, I'm glad to hear you say that...

We're back in business! :D

[JfromtheD]

I found the original post...
someone stated the idea that when you travel from your present to the past, that if you were to stay in the past you wouldn't catch up to your age until you reached that original time that you went back from. so for example, i'm 28 now in 2009, if i travel to 1960 before i'm born and live in that new time line i wouldn't start aging until we caught up till 2009.

Now if that were to hold true it's entirely possible that Richard Alpert is from the future, and the reason he is always the same age is b/c we have not yet caught up to his original timeline. Could Richard Alpert be the one behind the new dharma?

[notsolost42]

I found the original post...

Cool! Thanks for finding that. If that's the case, then our losties aren't going to age until 2007? I don't know about that one though. Maybe though. Maybe the xray that Richard showed Juliet was her own????? OMG!!!! Think about that one for a minute!!!!!!

[notsolost42]

So, check this out. I posted this thread almost one year ago....

http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4200

[JfromtheD]

Well hello Boutte and Lockeing... nice to see you guys. :)

[JfromtheD]

Let's see, what is the quote? Oh yeah, "Yea of little faith!"
Nice. :D

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Ok, so let's address that monkey wrench over there in the corner....

Our Statue.
Past is present, past is future... the foot is left over from the future (past) statue?

[notsolost42]

Nice. :D

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Ok, so let's address that monkey wrench over there in the corner....

Our Statue.
Past is present, past is future... the foot is left over from the future (past) statue?

Could very well be. Perhaps after the....war?????

[JfromtheD]

Damn, I like the way you think!

That still leaves us with the questions of "who and when?"

[notsolost42]

Damn, I like the way you think!

That still leaves us with the questions of "who and when?"

Right now....your guess is as good as mine! Whatcha got?

[JfromtheD]

ok, but I must warn you... my thoughts aren't as sexy as Jacob vs. Widmore vs. Ben, etc...

I'm wondering if Ilanna and Bram aren't there to counter the 'big bang' of jughead.
Two shockers, two storylines, two timeframes. :confused:

And I think the war will be faught off island.
The Lamppost, lies in the shadow of the (church/jesus) statue.

[notsolost42]

ok, but I must warn you... my thoughts aren't as sexy as Jacob vs. Widmore vs. Ben, etc...

I'm wondering if Ilanna and Bram aren't there to counter the 'big bang' of jughead.
Two shockers, two storylines, two timeframes. :confused:

And I think the war will be faught off island.
The Lamppost, lies in the shadow of the (church/jesus) statue.

Two shockers, two storylines, two time frames....okay. But if the war is to be faught off island then why are Ilana and Bram on the island?

[JfromtheD]

Uhh... to fight the war? :o
:D

The war may be to keep the island, in tact.

To gain control may not be so hard, especially if we're talking in terms of longevity.
We've covered 50 some years in the matter of Jack's (for example) 3.5.
2004-2007 and I'll give them half a year in '77.

The tough part seems to be... getting there.

[notsolost42]

Uhh... to fight the war? :o
:D

The war may be to keep the island, in tact.

To gain control may not be so hard, especially if we're talking in terms of longevity.
We've covered 50 some years in the matter of Jack's (for example) 3.5.
2004-2007 and I'll give them half a year in '77.

The tough part seems to be... getting there.

Okay, it's late...I'm just not following you here. Correct me if I am wrong. The war is faught off island for control of the island? Ilana and Bram are on the island to.....what? Keep control of the island? I'm getting lost already, sorry. Please explain this to me...I'm having a dense moment! lol!

[JfromtheD]

:D It is getting late...
Ilana and Bram are doing something to counter Jack, to keep the island in existence. What, I don't know.

From there, long term time isn't so long term. And more important, there is still an island to control.

The war is to keep the island alive, so to speak.
Some would want it gone (Jack, Sayid, Ellie) to stop the bad sh!t from happening.
Others want it alive (Locke, Bram, Illana, Widmore, Ben) because they have something to gain.

[notsolost42]

:D It is getting late...
Ilana and Bram are doing something to counter Jack, to keep the island in existence. What, I don't know.

From there, long term time isn't so long term. And more important, there is still an island to control.

The war is to keep the island alive, so to speak.
Some would want it gone (Jack, Sayid, Ellie) to stop the bad sh!t from happening.
Others want it alive (Locke, Bram, Illana, Widmore, Ben) because they have something to gain.

Okay, NOW I got you! Thanks for clarifying that. That's interesting. I'll have to give it some thought. I'm just hung up on how Ilana and Bram in 2007 are going to do somthing to counter Jack in 1977 to keep the island in existance. Would they have to time travel also? Because, whatever Jack does in 1977 has happened.

[JfromtheD]

Well, that goes with what you believe.
If Jack erases 2004, maybe the new crew re-writes it.

I don't know... that's where the "X factor" comes in...
X= "the rest of the story. :D

But it sure sounds better than 'a crate full of uzi's' right?

[notsolost42]

Well, that goes with what you believe.
If Jack erases 2004, maybe the new crew re-writes it.

I don't know... that's where the "X factor" comes in...
X= "the rest of the story. :D

But it sure sounds better than 'a crate full of uzi's' right?

Definitly not a crate full of uzi's for sure! I was thinking it was some sort of device to get them to a different time on the island and that black box that Ben is still lugging around has the "key" in it. I am really wondering if they are in kahoots with each other. It reminds me of Ben and his lawyer and how they convinced Kate to go back by threatening to take Aaron from some mysterious third party.

Well, the way I am looking at it, from the future back, it has already happened and no matter what they do, it already occured. So, the WHHer's should be happy! lol! Right now I'm kind of focused on the plutonium trigger being detonated. It accounts for so many of the islands problems in the future. I keep getting the feeling that this whole bait and switch tactic by TPTB is nothing more than a decoy to take our attention off of the real plotline here. I just can't help but compare it to that magician and his distraction technique while performing his tricks!

[InTheBeginning]

Not trying to butt in here, but I started thinking about this very thing a few weeks ago...
http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8255
Notso, you hit the nail when you said TPTB has been showing us all the flashes and stuff 'out of order' and we are left to put the pieces together and figure it all out. Way to go guys!

[notsolost42]

Not trying to butt in here, but I started thinking about this very thing a few weeks ago...
http://www.lost.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8255
Notso, you hit the nail when you said TPTB has been showing us all the flashes and stuff 'out of order' and we are left to put the pieces together and figure it all out. Way to go guys!

Yes, and an excellent thread it is. It jogged my memory and made me start thinking about a thread I began almost a year ago about Richard time traveling and he and the Others are the ancients from the future. I have to thank you for that! This is a great combined effort!!!!

[InTheBeginning]

Yes, and an excellent thread it is. It jogged my memory and made me start thinking about a thread I began almost a year ago about Richard time traveling and he and the Others are the ancients from the future. I have to thank you for that! This is a great combined effort!!!!

It takes a great combined effort for TPTB to mess our minds up to begin with! We all better work together to try to figure it all out. I just read your ...ancient... thread. I get it, I just don't get it. Got it? I'm in the middle of two weeks of midnight shifts....brain is a little slow to engage.

[notsolost42]

It takes a great combined effort for TPTB to mess our minds up to begin with! We all better work together to try to figure it all out. I just read your ...ancient... thread. I get it, I just don't get it. Got it? I'm in the middle of two weeks of midnight shifts....brain is a little slow to engage.

Been there, done that on those mids! My eyes usually wanted to close around 4am. Not a good thing when you answer 911! lol! When you have it together enough spell it out for me what you don't get and let's see if we can walk through it. Maybe I'm not getting it!

[InTheBeginning]

If Richard is from the future, then so is Jacob! They have been sent back to ensure the island and all of its special properties is still there whenever they are from. Or, Jacob doesn't stay. He just pops in once in a while to see that RA is doing his job?
From now on to me...WHH means What the Hell Happened?!:rolleyes:

How far back did they travel to? That's my big question.

I talk to airplanes ...these mids kill me! 2 weeks out of every 8.

[notsolost42]

If Richard is from the future, then so is Jacob! They have been sent back to ensure the island and all of its special properties is still there whenever they are from. Or, Jacob doesn't stay. He just pops in once in a while to see that RA is doing his job?
From now on to me...WHH means What the Hell Happened?!:rolleyes:

How far back did they travel to? That's my big question.

I talk to airplanes :eek:...these mids kill me! 2 weeks out of every 8.

Air traffic? And you're talking Lost on your 'puter? Sure hope it's a small airport! lol! Just kidding...I'm sure you are great at what you do!
You know, yeah, Jacob could be from the future also. I've kind of looked at Jacob as part of smokie and vice versa. Two parts of the whole, the yin and yang, good and evil thing. Jacob is trapped in the cabin while smokie roams the island. If John kills Jacob, or actually succeds in having Ben kill Jacob as his mission, then smokie takes over completly. I think Jacob is the good half and smokie the bad.

When you ask how far back did they travel, what do you mean? I am looking at it as the timeline will really begin in the future and what we are seeing now is all in the past. So, yes, WHH because it is all in the past. Look at the example of that dang compass. A time loop. Right? Classic chicken and egg paradox. Unless, it originally came from Richard in the future and John remembers it in his past. Is that at all understandable?

[InTheBeginning]

When you ask how far back did they travel, what do you mean? I am looking at it as the timeline will really begin in the future and what we are seeing now is all in the past. So, yes, WHH because it is all in the past. Look at the example of that dang compass. A time loop. Right? Classic chicken and egg paradox. Unless, it originally came from Richard in the future and John remembers it in his past. Is that at all understandable?

Right, Richard is from the furture and that will be the start point of the story. The question I asked is, from the future...where did Richard (and possibly Jacob) travel back to? Ancient Egypt, Blackrock times, some other time not yet alluded to? I'm sticking with Egypt. That would lend itself to the hyroglyphs on the island...well, so far those are the oldest things we've seen! As far as I know, hyroglyphics are the oldest written form of communication on the earth. Right?

WHH...since this is all in Richards past the Losties and Others future can change? :confused:

[notsolost42]

Right, Richard is from the furture and that will be the start point of the story. The question I asked is, from the future...where did Richard (and possibly Jacob) travel back to? Ancient Egypt, Blackrock times, some other time not yet alluded to? I'm sticking with Egypt. That would lend itself to the hyroglyphs on the island...well, so far those are the oldest things we've seen! As far as I know, hyroglyphics are the oldest written form of communication on the earth. Right?

WHH...since this is all in Richards past the Losties and Others future can change? :confused:

Actually, I think the glyphs and the Latin is from the future civilization as well. Think about it this way. Richard is from who knows how far in the future. Say Jack or someone else detonates the plutonium trigger from Jughead in 1977. It wipes out much of the population on the island. It reminds me of The Stand, only in reverse. When the bomb was detonated, the small groups of people that lived went back to their homes and tried to begin the human race again with the hopes that they had learned their lesson. Okay, so Jughead goes off. Wipes out much of the island. Slowly, very slowly, mankind is returning again. It takes until far in the future and so it is like civilization beginning again. That's where the glyphs and Latin comes in. They are symbolic of the beginning of civilization. What we are looking at as ancient, is ancient, but it is from the future not the past.

Right now, until we see something to change this way of thinking, no, WHH. They cannot change it because all of it is the past. We are seeing it in reverse, so to speak. If Jughead or actually the plutonium trigger is detonated next week........well then, I'm running with this theory! If not, I'm gonna rethink some points of it! lol! But I see it that it has gone off....look at how they lived in 2004. In a hatch marked quarintine, hazmat suits, injections that most likely were for radiation sickness, etc. The air was beginning to clear from the radiation but it was obviously still there. Cancer and cancer cured on the island simultaneously. So, I'm going with it always happened that way.

[InTheBeginning]

It reminds me of The Stand, only in reverse.
- Looks over shoulder - never saw it!

That's where the glyphs and Latin comes in. They are symbolic of the beginning of civilization. What we are looking at as ancient, is ancient, but it is from the future not the past.
That's where you lose me. If Richard has traveled backwards...:confused: then the whole island has traveled with him glyphs and statues included?

Forgive me, Have we not seen the statue in 1977 yet? What if the statue is destroyed (except for the leg/foot) by the bomb this week in 1977?

[notsolost42]

- Looks over shoulder - never saw it!


That's where you lose me. If Richard has traveled backwards...:confused: then the whole island has traveled with him glyphs and statues included?

Forgive me, Have we not seen the statue in 1977 yet? What if the statue is destroyed (except for the leg/foot) by the bomb this week in 1977?

When we saw the statue we did not know what year it was at all, right? We assumed it was in the distant past. What if it were in the future? I see what you are saying about the glyphs....hmmm. Let me think on this one a bit. If the glyphs and all were built in the future, then yes, how do we see them in the past? All of the ancient things, the well, the tunnels, the temple, the pillars.....
Give me some time to think about that one. I think there is a solution but I don't have it yet. Maybe you're right and the whole island is going backwards...I'll think more about that.

[InTheBeginning]

Give me some time to think about that one. I think there is a solution but I don't have it yet. Maybe you're right and the whole island is going backwards...I'll think more about that.

We humans, well most of us, think of time in a forward moving linear progression, right? Unless Richard brought designs for these things back with him from the future? The glyphs, temples...yada yada, really are ancient but of future design?

Ohhh ohhh...Richard and Jacob were sent from a failing world to ensure survival? Now I'm really reaching. :o

[notsolost42]

We humans, well most of us, think of time in a forward moving linear progression, right? Unless Richard brought designs for these things back with him from the future? The glyphs, temples...yada yada, really are ancient but of future design?

Ohhh ohhh...Richard and Jacob were sent from a failing world to ensure survival? Now I'm really reaching. :o

No, not far reaching at all. That was what I had posted in my original thread a year ago. But now, because of the circumstances with the bomb that will likely go off, I'm thinking that the future people were the human race saved. If the stories beginning is really in the future, say 2060, and Richard is telling the story to say, Ji Yeon and Aaron about the islands history, and the timeline is just very skewed for us...What if the objects of the island do not time travel and just stay the same, like the objects that the losties took with them when they supposedly time traveled. Does that satisfy the question? It could. Maybe?

I have a thread floating around somewhere about The Stand.

[notsolost42]

Lis....if you are out there....this is the thread that the other one references. I wrote this last night. My daughter had come home from seeing the new Star Wars movie and was telling me about the time travel in it. I had an epiphany. She said that the time traveler was traveling backwards from the future in it and I saw a flash of purple-white light and heard a strange loud noise....Richard is the one time traveling from the future....
Think about it....it actually sorks...

[Panda]

Lis....if you are out there....this is the thread that the other one references. I wrote this last night. My daughter had come home from seeing the new Star Wars movie and was telling me about the time travel in it. I had an epiphany. She said that the time traveler was traveling backwards from the future in it and I saw a flash of purple-white light and heard a strange loud noise....Richard is the one time traveling from the future....
Think about it....it actually sorks...

It is a possible. I think it was mentioned on the boards even before this season.
So I think when it comes to theories..we are starting to end up in a loop ourselves aren't we.

I think I even posted something about Richard being from the future somewhere in the past.
And I think that I even wrote, that he is traveling form the future into the past, but only into "that past" where he is not born yet.
He can only start to age from the moment he arrives at the time where he is born.
So if his birth date would be in 205O, and he started to time travel at the age of 40 so left his "home time" in 2090. He will never age nor die as long as he keeps on moving in times prior to 2050...something like that.

Repeating myself in the time loop of the forum....:)

[notsolost42]

It is a possible. I think it was mentioned on the boards even before this season.
So I think when it comes to theories..we are starting to end up in a loop ourselves aren't we.

I think I even posted something about Richard being from the future somewhere in the past.
And I think that I even wrote, that he is traveling form the future into the past, but only into "that past" where he is not born yet.
He can only start to age from the moment he arrives at the time where he is born.
So if his birth date would be in 205O, and he started to time travel at the age of 40 so left his "home time" in 2090. He will never age nor die as long as he keeps on moving in times prior to 2050...something like that.

Repeating myself in the time loop of the forum....:)

I know what you mean. The thread I brought up to show Lis was one I started a year ago about the ancients really being from the future and not the past. So, I've been thinking about this Richard time travel idea for a long time and it seems to still work. To me, that might be lending some credibility to it. I like your idea on nonaging. Pretty cool. That would account for it.

[mcgarnigle]

Even if Alpert is traveling from the future, it leaves us with the same question. Where the hell is he from, and why is he there. If you take the terminator ideal of time travel, then he's come back to help the future in some way. maybe he's there to stop locke from trying to kill jacob.

If you believe in the time cop ideal, then maybe richard is there to benefit from the past in some way. Or he's there to stop someone from benefiting from being in the past.

If you go with back to the future he's there to ensure that things go the way there suppose to because he likes the current future as is.

Whether dude has found the fountain of youth or he's a convict from the black rock or he's from the future i don't know, all i do know is he's a fricking enigma!!

[InTheBeginning]

Didn't Locke ask Richard about not aging tonight? His reply was kind of...I forget what he said exactly. Have to watch it again tomorrow!

[notsolost42]

Didn't Locke ask Richard about not aging tonight? His reply was kind of...I forget what he said exactly. Have to watch it again tomorrow!

He said that Jacob gave him the ability of not aging. So, no time traveling Richard I guess....

[InTheBeginning]

He said that Jacob gave him the ability of not aging. So, no time traveling Richard I guess....

Sounded nice...:(

[notsolost42]

Sounded nice...:(

Yeah, it kinda did. Oh well! At least I go out on a limb to offer theories unlike some people on the board here that just stick their two cents into conversations and offer nothing but ambiguity and confusion. LOL!!! I'd rather be wrong for trying than be noncommital to any ideas probably out of the fear of being wrong!!!

[Nemesis Prime]

What do you guys think about him coming from the Black Rock at this point? Not as interesting as being from the future but still a good storyline.

[InTheBeginning]

What do you guys think about him coming from the Black Rock at this point? Not as interesting as being from the future but still a good storyline.

Absolutely!

[notsolost42]

What do you guys think about him coming from the Black Rock at this point? Not as interesting as being from the future but still a good storyline.

I think he's much older than that. I would be surprised although that is one of the first posts I think I made here! Long before I thought of him as an ancient Egyptian. Well, as for my storyline, maybe TPTB will steal it from here and rewrite something a few years from now! Hahaha!!! They took the eyeliner idea and I think tonight Sun gave a little shout out to the Barma thread so you never know!!!! HAhahaha!!!

[Nemesis Prime]

I really wanted him to be some type of Egyptian but just don't think that's the case anymore. After seeing the ship (the blackrock?) and the way Jacob was seemingly unconcerned about it coming to the island, seeing Richard actually building a model ship and then hearing how Jacob is the reason he is ageless I'm starting to lean towards him being from the Blackrock.

What I'm really curious about as well though is how that ship got to the middle of the island if it really was the Blackrock.

[notsolost42]

I really wanted him to be some type of Egyptian but just don't think that's the case anymore. After seeing the ship (the blackrock?) and the way Jacob was seemingly unconcerned about it coming to the island, seeing Richard actually building a model ship and then hearing how Jacob is the reason he is ageless I'm starting to lean towards him being from the Blackrock.

What I'm really curious about as well though is how that ship got to the middle of the island if it really was the Blackrock.

Well, didn't the guy that is not Jacob say that Jacob brought the ship to the island? In other words, perhaps he willed it to come. Perhaps we will see some kind of battle between the two of them or be told the story of it and in the heat of the battle the ship was thrown and landed in the center of the island! How's that sound? Like gods throwing lightning bolts at each other!! I think we all need to figure out what to call the guy that isn't Jacob besides the guy that isn't Jacob!!! LOL!!!

[Nemesis Prime]

Guess it's just par for the course, too many new questions and not enough answers.

[notsolost42]

Guess it's just par for the course, too many new questions and not enough answers.

Well, for every two questions answered we get three new ones to ask!!!!

[lilsev42]

Well i do remeber reading that Alpert was on the ships manifest,it's been a few seasons ago when the thread was out here,but what if he is already there with them (Jacob and his bro or whoever he is).Just throiwing that in .He could have been there since the beginning of it all,kinda a meditor or servant to the evil and good,but can't help or hurt either.

[mcgarnigle]

maybe richard is original man on the island, and he was given the choice of being the leader or living forever. I think that they perhaps showed us the black rock to assume Richard is on the boat. I don't remember any talk about alpert's name appearing in the journal.

I don't know if egyptians speak latin either?

[notsolost42]

Well i do remeber reading that Alpert was on the ships manifest,it's been a few seasons ago when the thread was out here,but what if he is already there with them (Jacob and his bro or whoever he is).Just throiwing that in .He could have been there since the beginning of it all,kinda a meditor or servant to the evil and good,but can't help or hurt either.
I remember that ships manifest and it was all completly FAKE! Do not believe that...
maybe richard is original man on the island, and he was given the choice of being the leader or living forever. I think that they perhaps showed us the black rock to assume Richard is on the boat. I don't remember any talk about alpert's name appearing in the journal.

I don't know if egyptians speak latin either?

The Roman's conquered Egypt and a great deal of the Meditarranean. They left their languge and culture there. So, it is entirely possible.

[smthng2dowthlost]

Maybe whoever is on that ship is like ilana and bram and are already part of the cult/tribe whatever you want to call it before they show up I mean if he brought them there I would assume that he did it the same way as everyone else went and dropped some knowledge and then waited for them.