Its all a Game Smokie vs Jacob

[2cansam]

Everyone is there to play a game. Althought they dont relize it. Jacob belives there is good in people. Smokie dose not. they make a wager. All the flash backs with Jacob is him recruting people to bring to the Island to see if that in the end they can over come the evil and so what is right. So we will see our Losties on very diffrent sides now cause they will either be on the side of Jacob or the side of Smokie.

[Fysh19]

Locke = Bad ; Jack = Good ????:confused:

[spartygirl]

Locke = Bad ; Jack = Good ????:confused:

I have always liked Locke and thought him good...and his faith being his biggest asset....but..............now with his changed attitude and his desire to kill Jacob...hmmm...has me wondering if HE is the Bad guy....

and Ive always thought Jack was good !!! LOL :p

[3d-aholic]

Yeh.
I don't know if anyone else noticed but Jacob was dressed in all white on the beach with the statue and the other guy (Mr. No Name) which we now know as John Locke was dressed in all black.

I doubt its a coincidence of dress. ;)

[Professor Faulken]

locke isnt actualy locke , thus he isnt "bad"...that guy from the begining found a loophole to use lockes body to convince ben to kill jacob.

[notsolost42]

It's always been a cosmic game of good verses evil. John Locke is not really John Locke...it's smokie. I have been saying that smokie and Jacob are two parts of the same whole for a very long time now....yin yang, good evil, etc. So, I think I'm sticking with that. Smokies ash kept Jacob prisoner in his cabin. John Locke is dead. Ben Linus killed him. JL is the bad guy, the smokie, the evil of the universe....

[hyperchord24]

Yeah, I got that too. This is bigger than the losties, bigger than the others and perhaps bigger than Ricardus. It's all a game between Jacob and, most likely Esau.

[3d-aholic]

JL is the bad guy, the smokie, the evil of the universe....

Well only till the Losties set it straight. Good always triumphs over evil even on an island in another dimension. :)

[MisterDee]

Pretty much that guy who wanted to kill jacob is smokie somehow. He manipulated Ben by making him listen to John by forming as Alex, and he manipulated John via Christian into dying in order to be his image, thus making Ben listen to what John said aka smokie....and thus manipulating Ben into killing Jacob. His John make up is basically the loophole Jacob was speaking about.

I must say I am pretty disappointed in Jacob's comeback when Ben says What about me?

He says what about you? LOL??? stupid answer pretty much begging to be killed by Ben.

[MisterDee]

PS lmao at Ricardus hahaha

[hyperchord24]

Pretty much that guy who wanted to kill jacob is smokie somehow. He manipulated Ben by making him listen to John by forming as Alex, and he manipulated John via Christian into dying in order to be his image, thus making Ben listen to what John said aka smokie....and thus manipulating Ben into killing Jacob. His John make up is basically the loophole Jacob was speaking about.

I must say I am pretty disappointed in Jacob's comeback when Ben says What about me?

He says what about you? LOL??? stupid answer pretty much begging to be killed by Ben.
That's the part I don't understand. Why would you say something so stupid to a guy with a knife in his hand who hates you? And how can you kill a guy who can travel in time, heal people, etc?

[2cansam]

That's the part I don't understand. Why would you say something so stupid to a guy with a knife in his hand who hates you? And how can you kill a guy who can travel in time, heal people, etc?

Becasue Jacob wanted smokie to think he was dead....He dosnt relize Jacob has found a loop hole as well ...being Christian Shephard

[Workman]

Was he supposed to lie his way out of it??? That's not what he does. That's what Ben does. I don't think Ben was accepted by Jacob because of him releasing Smokie whenever the going got tough. He wasn't supposed to be the leader.

[losttime]

It's always been a cosmic game of good verses evil. John Locke is not really John Locke...it's smokie. I have been saying that smokie and Jacob are two parts of the same whole for a very long time now....yin yang, good evil, etc. So, I think I'm sticking with that. Smokies ash kept Jacob prisoner in his cabin. John Locke is dead. Ben Linus killed him. JL is the bad guy, the smokie, the evil of the universe....

Jacob wasnt even in the cabin he was under the statue. So I dont get how the ash kept Jacob locked in the cabin. Ilana even said he hasnt been there for a long time. Someone else was using it. Is she talking about Jacob hasnt been there for a long time and was she talking about Christian when someone else is using it

[I'mnotlost]

Jacob's "what about you?" to Ben meant--- you were a patsy, who cares about just you(Ben)!!
This is bigger then just you(Ben)! not about 1 man, but all of man!!! So, what about you, you piece of sh!t--cry baby!!!

[notsolost42]

Jacob wasnt even in the cabin he was under the statue. So I dont get how the ash kept Jacob locked in the cabin. Ilana even said he hasnt been there for a long time. Someone else was using it. Is she talking about Jacob hasnt been there for a long time and was she talking about Christian when someone else is using it

Yes, and there is a three year span of time on the island between 2004 and 2007 that we know nothing about....

[notsolost42]

Jacob's "what about you?" to Ben meant--- you were a patsy, who cares about just you(Ben)!!
This is bigger then just you(Ben)! not about 1 man, but all of man!!! So, what about you, you piece of sh!t--cry baby!!!

Because it is the cosmic game of good and evil!!!! It is bigger than anyone.

[I'mnotlost]

Jacob wasnt even in the cabin he was under the statue. So I dont get how the ash kept Jacob locked in the cabin. Ilana even said he hasnt been there for a long time. Someone else was using it. Is she talking about Jacob hasnt been there for a long time and was she talking about Christian when someone else is using it
The ash wasn't meant to keep Jacob in the cabin, it was meant to keep smokey's(the other guy on the beach) human spirit trapped within the circle. the cabin I think is insignificant!! Not a war between good n evil, but the difference between Heads or Tails!!
Bernard n Rose are ADAM N EVE!

1 question ; now, if the hatch is not built & FLT 815 never crash's, how does John Locke(having never been there) convince Ben to kill Jacob?? Hmmm....






Bernard n Rose r definitely "Adam n Eve"

[I'mnotlost]

Because it is the cosmic game of good and evil!!!! It is bigger than anyone.
You said it Notso, my brain friggin hurts!!

[wiley]

The ash wasn't meant to keep Jacob in the cabin, it was meant to keep smokey's(the other guy on the beach) human spirit trapped within the circle. the cabin I think is insignificant!!


I agree with this. Ilana and her group approached the cabin very carefully with weapons drawn. If they thought Jacob was in the cabin, I think they would have approached in a friendly manner not as if an enemy was in there.
Jacob was never in the cabin. I think Jacob or his followers had trapped Mr. no-name in there.
I wonder who let him out?

[TheNagual]

PS lmao at Ricardus hahaha

LoL yea,,frikin hilarious.

[2cansam]

I agree with this. Ilana and her group approached the cabin very carefully with weapons drawn. If they thought Jacob was in the cabin, I think they would have approached in a friendly manner not as if an enemy was in there.
Jacob was never in the cabin. I think Jacob or his followers had trapped Mr. no-name in there.
I wonder who let him out?


The case they carried that had the real John Lockes body in it was meant to be shown to the person in the cabin. Remember. Illania said that she had to show them...So show who?...Was she trying to say we know you are using Johns body to deceive people and we are going to tell them the truth ?

[snow24]

The case they carried that had the real John Lockes body in it was meant to be shown to the person in the cabin. Remember. Illania said that she had to show them...So show who?...Was she trying to say we know you are using Johns body to deceive people and we are going to tell them the truth ?

I think that she thought Jacob was in the cabin, if she thought smokie was in the cabin, wouldn't he just kill her when she got there?

Becasue Jacob wanted smokie to think he was dead....He dosnt relize Jacob has found a loop hole as well ...being Christian Shephard

I was thinking that Christian was smokie as well, but its christian that helps john turn to the wheel, and Christian that seems to want to help Sun and Lapidis. You may have changed my mind.


my question is, who was showing up as Walt? and how was his image being used? Walt isn't dead.

[hpbatman7]

I must say I am pretty disappointed in Jacob's comeback when Ben says What about me?

He says what about you? LOL??? stupid answer pretty much begging to be killed by Ben.

Actually it reminded me of the story of Job from the Bible. When Job asks God "why", God replies with basicly "I'm God, don't question me"....

Like Jacob said to Ben, he has a choice......we all do...

[Gettingafixonlost]

Remember when John first met smokie, they didn't show us much but John said he looked into the eye of the island (or something like that) and it was beautiful. I think that is more significant than we we're led to believe, just not sure how. This show drives me CRAZYYY. TPTB just love to keep us guessing don't they, I wonder if anyone has gone insane trying to figure it out, lol.

[2cansam]

I think that she thought Jacob was in the cabin, if she thought smokie was in the cabin, wouldn't he just kill her when she got there?



I was thinking that Christian was smokie as well, but its christian that helps john turn to the wheel, and Christian that seems to want to help Sun and Lapidis. You may have changed my mind.


my question is, who was showing up as Walt? and how was his image being used? Walt isn't dead.


OMG I forgot all about Walt...All the people so far that have reappeared have been dead ...With the exception of Walt , but then again there is Claire , but we don't know what has happen to her

[singular]

I must say I am pretty disappointed in Jacob's comeback when Ben says What about me?

He says what about you? LOL??? stupid answer pretty much begging to be killed by Ben.

At the beginning of the episode, we were given a contrast between Jacob and the Man in Black. This man thought the worst of people while Jacob set out to prove him wrong. They are playing a game that revolves around human nature.

Jacob gave Ben a clear choice and then excoriated him. Ben proved the Man in Black right and Jacob wrong by then killing Jacob (who left himself defenseless - the choice was Ben's). The Man in Black had won the game. Jacob was wrong about people.

[snow24]

Actually it reminded me of the story of Job from the Bible. When Job asks God "why", God replies with basicly "I'm God, don't question me"....

Like Jacob said to Ben, he has a choice......we all do...


i was just saying this to my girlfriend, it does seem very much like the story of Job, and in this case Ben lost faith in Jacob.

[2cansam]

Let me pose this question. What would be a good example of something a kid would do thinking what he/she did or was doing was good and helpful , but in reality was harmful , but he/she didn't fully understand it because he was still just a kid? That's what I think Jacob has done.

[abcd1234]

Man in Black

the first words in the dark tower series. I wish someone else read those books, no one seems to be interested in the comparisons

[snow24]

Let me pose this question. What would be a good example of something a kid would do thinking what he/she did or was doing was good and helpful , but in reality was harmful , but he/she didn't fully understand it because he was still just a kid? That's what I think Jacob has done.

putting a cat in a washing machine to give it a bath?

[hpbatman7]

I am not so sure that the "man in black" is smokie....I have a small doubt, mainly because we don't know if smokie can leave the island....and since the plane crashed on the other island, that would mean smokie can move about freely, etc....and I seem to remember it being said that smokie was some sort of defense used by the island, and smokie could not pass through the barriers that Dharma set up, etc....which we know didn't stop Richard, so if it didn't stop Richard, why could it stop smokie or Jacob for that matter?

Just some random thoughts....

[2cansam]

putting a cat in a washing machine to give it a bath?

There you go... See now as a parent you would have to make your child understand that doing that is wrong...although your kid had good intentions. I think that's what our mysterious figure is doing by killing Jacob. Sure it may sound extreme , but is it really if they are both some type of spiritual being?

[snow24]

There you go... See now as a parent you would have to make your child understand that doing that is wrong...although your kid had good intentions. I think that's what our mysterious figure is doing by killing Jacob. Sure it may sound extreme , but is it really if they are both some type of spiritual being?

they may both be part of something whole, so maybe killing one kills the other, so no one is left to protect the island.

i dunno, that's all speculation. Its just like Lost to semi answer 1 question and open up a huge bag of new ones in the process.

[2cansam]

they may both be part of something whole, so maybe killing one kills the other, so no one is left to protect the island.

i dunno, that's all speculation. Its just like Lost to semi answer 1 question and open up a huge bag of new ones in the process.


Mabey after season 6 they will make a movie to end it all.

[snow24]

Mabey after season 6 they will make a movie to end it all.

I hope not, movies have to be able to stand alone, not requiring that people would have watched the Tv show. and I don't think from lost can really stand alone. theres too much story to tell.

[losttime]

Yes, and there is a three year span of time on the island between 2004 and 2007 that we know nothing about....

What is your point?

[I'mnotlost]

I agree with this. Ilana and her group approached the cabin very carefully with weapons drawn. If they thought Jacob was in the cabin, I think they would have approached in a friendly manner not as if an enemy was in there.
Jacob was never in the cabin. I think Jacob or his followers had trapped Mr. no-name in there.
I wonder who let him out?
CLAIRE--I don't believe she is dead. I think she was the 1 who broke the circle that contained Esau(?)!! Having listen to christian(who's body was taken over by whom ever(ESAU?)was trapped in the circle),she set him free!!

[2cansam]

CLAIRE--I don't believe she is dead. I think she was the 1 who broke the circle that contained Esau(?)!! Having listen to christian(who's body was taken over by whom ever(ESAU?)was trapped in the circle),she set him free!!

^ good thought as she would be able to move the ash as she is alive...she would follow christian in thinking she was her dad