Is Jacob the Alligator god, Sobek?

[TotallyLOST]

So was Jacob actually Sobek, the crocodile god? Wikipedia says "Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part." That IS the statue on the island, right?

[bensklm767]

So was Jacob actually Sobek, the crocodile god? Wikipedia says "Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part." That IS the statue on the island, right?

That sounds right to me; Jacob had his little "It's your choice, but you really should do this" kind of scheme with everyone. But if he is Sobek, does that have something to do with the fact that he can speak fluent Korean, Hindu, etc.?

[bergy]

I think this is dead on. It really sums up Jacob's role as the "good guy" but not so good that he would stop, say, Syiad's wife from dieing... In fact one could say he is parially responsible. I think this coupled with the obvious biblical reference to Jacob and his brother pretty much some up what's going on here. I wonder if any more of Egyption mythology has a story of Sobek's more cruel counterpart.

[bergy]

From the same wikipedia article: "He was also shown with an ankh, representing his ability to undo evil and so cure ills". May explain how Ben was brought back into good health and how there just may be hope left that the evil will get undone. I watched the episode with two other people. We all felt like it looked like an alligator or crocidile statue. Also, the ankh was very prominant and large in the statues right hand in many shots.

[BucFanLostinNC]

Sobek also replaced Seth in the Triad of Egyptian God. So im thinking Seth is who Jacob was probably speaking to at the begining of this episode. The loop hole is probably Seth trying to get revenge on Jacob or Sobek's reencarnation.

[TotallyLOST]

Sobek also replaced Seth in the Triad of Egyptian God. So im thinking Seth is who Jacob was probably speaking to at the begining of this episode. The loop hole is probably Seth trying to get revenge on Jacob or Sobek's reencarnation.

Wow, this could really be falling into place. From one website about Seth, it said, "Seth the Egyptian God is also known as the god of chaos. According to popular Egyptian mythology it would certainly seem that he created plenty of mayhem and chaos. Seth, god of chaos is also often associated with thunder, the desert and infertility. Tales differ in regards to whether Seth was evil from birth or became evil at some later point in history. It would appear that regardless of when it occurred, some of the ancient Egyptian people considered Seth the Egyptian god to be none other than evil incarnate.

[The Lamp Post]

I agree!
I think between wikipedia and lostpedia we can conclude the statue is indeed this Sobek/Alligator God. Since Jacob inhabits the statue... and considering the similar characteristics between Jacob and Sobek, I am pretty much sold on the idea. :cool:

[bergy]

Wow, this could really be falling into place. From one website about Seth, it said, "Seth the Egyptian God is also known as the god of chaos. According to popular Egyptian mythology it would certainly seem that he created plenty of mayhem and chaos. Seth, god of chaos is also often associated with thunder, the desert and infertility. Tales differ in regards to whether Seth was evil from birth or became evil at some later point in history. It would appear that regardless of when it occurred, some of the ancient Egyptian people considered Seth the Egyptian god to be none other than evil incarnate.
Infertility? That's another key IMO. Women on the island weren't necessarily infertile but they did seem to have a problem living through child birth. That seems to be another unanswered question that the Seth theory could follow (symbolicaly of course). If Seth or Smokey or whoever doesn't have anything to do with it, the explanation should be interesting. It doesn't seem like 70s Darma people are havng problms squeezing out babies.

We'll see if the Lost story plays out like the mythology. If anything I think were on to a huge part of the symbolism in the last episode.

[chino86]

Erm, the statue has been confirmed to be Taweret:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Statue_of_Taweret

[ptosis]

My Question is this: Jacob touches EVERYBODY but NOT Ben and said to him that he had a "choice". Everybody who Jacob touches seem to be destined to be on the island?

Debate me please!:)


ABC's LOST Final Season 6: Destiny Calls (http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/39948/ptosis.html)

What does choice mean? Every decision shapes which probabilities are most likely to occur but everything about yourself up to that moment influences your decisions moment to moment. Limited free will is the assumption that free will and determinism coexist. There are other philosophers
who have argued that the concept of a limited free will is a cop-out because if there is an omnipresent god then no free will is possible and nor does randomness lead to free will."

http://nolans.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/fwvd.jpg

[losttime]

My Question is this: Jacob touches EVERYBODY but NOT Ben and said to him that he had a "choice". Everybody who Jacob touches seem to be destined to be on the island?

Debate me please!:)



Jacob also told Hurley in the cab that he had a choice and "touched" him as well.
JACOB: [To Hurley] Ajira Airways Flight 316 out of LAX. Leaves in 24 hours. All you have to do is get on that plane. It's your choice, Hugo. You don't have to do anything you don't want to.

Does this mean he isnt destined for the Island because he offered him the choice?

[beachblinkette]

This is a little off the subject, but I had to say it. When Jacob touched Locke after he fell 8 storeys, he said, "I am so sorry that this happened to you." I thought the other day about this and decided that MIB and Jacob are actually 2 possibly ancient lawyers, stuck on an island, each trying to win their case against the other guy. The ambulance chaser, Jacob, is there to acquire Locke and the other Losties as a client. MIB tries to get clients away from Jacob or to ruin Jacob's "cases" by finding a loophole. Isn't that what lawyers do best? Help clients? Find loopholes? If MIB can't win over Jacob then he has to find a way to kill him. Case closed. Crazy or not? You know how the Hollywood crowd hates lawyers, right? Think about it. Alligators and lawyers--same thing?

[rachelskid]

This is a little off the subject, but I had to say it. When Jacob touched Locke after he fell 8 storeys, he said, "I am so sorry that this happened to you." I thought the other day about this and decided that MIB and Jacob are actually 2 possibly ancient lawyers, stuck on an island, each trying to win their case against the other guy. The ambulance chaser, Jacob, is there to acquire Locke and the other Losties as a client. MIB tries to get clients away from Jacob or to ruin Jacob's "cases" by finding a loophole. Isn't that what lawyers do best? Help clients? Find loopholes? If MIB can't win over Jacob then he has to find a way to kill him. Case closed. Crazy or not? You know how the Hollywood crowd hates lawyers, right? Think about it. Alligators and lawyers--same thing?

roflmao! THIS is my fav new theory. BUMP.

[beachblinkette]

roflmao! THIS is my fav new theory. BUMP.
Thanks, rachelskid!! I'm bad. I've been reading too much lawyer-esque stuff lately and it got to me. LOLl!!

[rachelskid]

Thanks, rachelskid!! I'm bad. I've been reading too much lawyer-esque stuff lately and it got to me. LOLl!!

i am a lawyer. [insert appropriate smiley here - one that is both laughing and crying.] ;)

[chester]

No wonder their 'utopia' is so screwed up then. They should've listened to Shakespear. ;)

[beachblinkette]

Actually, I like this theory about Sobek and Seth. These Egyptian gods and their special attributes lend themselves to the mysteries on the island. We never did find out why young Ben would be forever changed, and what that really meant. Maybe if Sobek or Seth were involved in Ben's escape from death, then Ben would be a pawn to be used for the rest of his life. If Richard Alpert knew this, what does that say about Richard? And what does that say about his somewhat mysterious relationship with the others and Jacob's apparently very distant relationship with Ben?

[orsonkidd]

I know it has already been said, but the statue isn't Sobek, it's Tawret (sp)

peolpe have even theorised that the statue is of Julliette which is just looney.

[losttime]

I know it has already been said, but the statue isn't Sobek, it's Tawret (sp)

peolpe have even theorised that the statue is of Julliette which is just looney.

Its not of Juliet?

Oh crap. This show sucks

[orsonkidd]

lol :P

people do come up w/ the most outlandish theories to explain Lost, I.E. Aaron=Jacob....Vincent is Smokie.....Walt is Abbadon.

[losttime]

lol :P

people do come up w/ the most outlandish theories to explain Lost, I.E. Aaron=Jacob....Vincent is Smokie.....Walt is Abbadon.

LOL I have come up with some of those theories.

But I used evidence to support it.

[chester]

lol :P

people do come up w/ the most outlandish theories to explain Lost, I.E. Aaron=Jacob....Vincent is Smokie.....Walt is Abbadon.

Not sure who came up with it, and some say it's crazy, but I like it:

Smokie is a swarm of ancient Chinese alien ninja time-travelling airborne bacteria.

[LissaMarie]

i am a lawyer. [insert appropriate smiley here - one that is both laughing and crying.] ;)

LOL!! You kill me, Rach! :D

[losttime]

Not sure who came up with it, and some say it's crazy, but I like it:

Smokie is a swarm of ancient Chinese alien ninja time-travelling airborne bacteria.

I made the connection between the dog and Smokie. I have no problem admitting it and some things that made me believe he is not just a dog.

I gave my reasons why. If they are considered silly then they are silly.

But when I first commented on Locke was not Locke but MIB, I was told that was silly as well.

So you never know

[abcd1234]

if smokie can be the spiders, I guess he can be the dog too. infact Id prefer he was the dog to the spiders.

[losttime]

if smokie can be the spiders, I guess he can be the dog too. infact Id prefer he was the dog to the spiders.

I never read or heard where TPTB mentioned the Medusa spider was Smokey I just accepted it when others talked about it who seem to know every podcast out there.

But what I did notice was I heard Smokey when all the spiders started to come out after Paulo was bit. next thing there is a spider crawling up nikki's leg.

I just figured there was a connection

But with Vincent I just saw some behaviors that seemed a little odd for the dog.

The way he was observing the Losties when they first went searching for the plane in S1. How fast it moved on the radar that the freighter people had and said that whatever it was was coming very fast at them.

I dont care how fast a dog runs, its not going to show to be traveling as fast as it was going on the radar.


And when Shannon was looking for the dog it just was sitting on top of the rock very strangely just staring at her.

I also dont think the dog was able to survive the crash while locked in a kennel or at minimum, injured.

Just something about him makes me question what it is.

I been laughed at for thinking it, but oh well.

[Dzbabykel]

Also there is definitely something important about Walt and Vincent IS Walt's dog so who knows, maybe they're both special :p

I refuse to discount anything on this show, it only has the most random twists ever!

[orsonkidd]

lol.....so your telling me that they "tied" the radio on to Vincent and then he turned into Smokie so that he could run fast, and then changed back into vincent complete w/ the radio tied to him?

Also Vincent was Brians dog, not Walt's so I'm fairly certain that he had it from a early age if not as a puppy.

Again Vincent is a great part of the show, as is Walt, but w/ such limited time left I doubt we will have any major plot lines that involve Vincent/Walt being the "answer" we were all looking for, although I could be wrong and we will see Vincent as the Captain of The Black Rock. :P

You are making a mountain out of a molehill, imo......sure the "dot" on the phone moved faster than Vincent could have moved, but it's a TV show, I have to laugh when Real World science is used as "proof" of anything..this is Lost.....if we are going to bring science into to it let's start w/ the crash. No one should have lived or escaped w/ such small injuries....and Locke???? Don't get me started......Smoke Monsters/ Time Travel / Exotic Matter....the list goes on forever.

Mib/smokie= anything that we don't know, i.e. vincent, walt, libby, annie, hurley bird, isn't (I hope) always the answer