Poor Poor Juliet

[losttime]

I am surprised that no one that I have seen has even commented on the loss of Juliet. I was realy taken back by that and quite sad to be honest. I really enjoyed her character and was shocked to see her bite it. What I noticed though is how Sawyer truly loved her and although he may had feelings for Kate, his heart really was with Juliet.

[JohnQ]

There's another thread that Juliet does not die but flashes with the losties.
We have to wait to see if Juliet IS dead.

[LissaMarie]

There's another thread that Juliet does not die but flashes with the losties.
We have to wait to see if Juliet IS dead.

I agree. You can never say never with this show!

That scene with Sawyer was so sad though. Poor Sawyer absolutely broke my heart!

[JohnQ]

Juliet wrapped in the chains of love. If she dies what a spectacular death scene.
If she lives and flashes with the losties...who can tell?

[losttime]

There's another thread that Juliet does not die but flashes with the losties.
We have to wait to see if Juliet IS dead.

well that would be interesting but who knows. I hope she time skips if thats the case

[LissaMarie]

Juliet wrapped in the chains of love. If she dies what a spectacular death scene.
If she lives and flashes with the losties...who can tell?

Aw, that was poetic, John! What a sweet way of phrasing it.

[JohnQ]

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[MsSpaceman]

I'm not surprised that Juliet is centered around love now, considering her name. I hope she doesn't follow in the same footsteps as the OG Juliet :)

The bomb being detonated leaves it all open for next season, however, seeing Chang's arm get squashed kind of makes me think that no matter what they did, it was what happened always and what needs to happen anyways :) oy yoy yoy. Not sure what the significance of having Juliet detonate it in the end is though. Why NOT have it just go off when Jack tosses it down the hole? We needed to see that interaction between Juliet and James maybe.

[HotPocket]

To be honest I wasn't too saddened by Juliet's death...I know I'm a meanie!
But my mom also thought that she would flash (if they even do) with Jack and everyone, but if she dies before it blows up will she be like Charlotte? Just disappear?

[0o0dead0o0]

why couldn't of it been kate, i would of been shouting let her fall mwahaha:p

[rachelskid]

juliet is not dead. thats why we saw her land, and detonate. she needed to feel the love for sawyer and get past her resentment re kate being around. and sawyer too, needed to know what its like to lose juliet. he longs for kate now only because he "lost" her. she's alive. locke. not so much.

[LissaMarie]

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Ha!! Flattery will get you everywhere...:p

[JohnQ]

Ha!! Flattery will get you everywhere...:p
Let's take a plane ride to the island if this good vs. evil nonsense is over!

[LissaMarie]

Haha! I don't know if I'll ever be able to fly again! Lost has ruined international travel for me!

[JohnQ]

We could take a freighter...oops bad idea!

[Jeremy]

I did feel bad for Juliet and fear for her life, but I figure that not one of them is safe when in the proximity of jughead.

Before that, when it didn't blow up, I was wondering if the rest of the Dharma folks would take them and shoot them and that's how Richard would have witnessed them dieing. Good thing I was wrong.

[LissaMarie]

We could take a freighter...oops bad idea!

LOL! See what I'm saying?!

[mnm4334]

yeah cliche I know, but Juliette is such a tragic figure, I hope she returns because Sawyer loves her more than he could ever propperly express, the kind of love you can only build with the women who helps you become the kind of man you always wanted to be. There is nothing Kate can ever do to compare with Juliette and in Sawyer will always have Juliette first in his heart, and if she is gone, she died when Sawyer realized just how much he loved her and he wont be getting over that any time soon, and the fact that Sawyer knows that the only reason shes comes back off the sub and ultimately dies was because Juliette doubted his love because of Kate. That will tear Sawyer apart and anything that could have happened with Kate is over, any affection that remained for Kate will die with Juliette.

[bunnydixon]

why couldn't of it been kate, i would of been shouting let her fall mwahaha:p

agreed! when watching juliet hanging there, i was so mad thinking 'you effed up again kate!' it was so sad that whole scene :(

[Losterella]

It almost ruined my night seeing the whole Juliette/Sawyer exchange. I love/loved (can't decide if she'll still be around next season) her and was glad to see her have a little happiness even if only for three years. I am getting confused though. If she and the Losties flash, where will they all end up? Will she be on the island BL (before Losties) when she was stuck dodging Ben's advances and ham? Please help me sort this out.

[VeraLynn]

I agree with those optimists who think that Juliet is still alive. The whole point of showing her alive and detonating the bomb was to show us that she had survived up to that point at least. But, if the bomb causes a time flash, where will she end up? In 2007 hatch rubble?

[tpbaxter]

I am glad that trifling ho is dead (if she is indeed dead). and if she is dead, i don't want her undead ass causing any more trouble. the last thing we need is a zombie triangle.

see my love quadrangle of doom thread for my thoughts on this. all i have to say about Juliet is good riddance.

[Gettingafixonlost]

yeah cliche I know, but Juliette is such a tragic figure, I hope she returns because Sawyer loves her more than he could ever propperly express, the kind of love you can only build with the women who helps you become the kind of man you always wanted to be. There is nothing Kate can ever do to compare with Juliette and in Sawyer will always have Juliette first in his heart, and if she is gone, she died when Sawyer realized just how much he loved her and he wont be getting over that any time soon, and the fact that Sawyer knows that the only reason shes comes back off the sub and ultimately dies was because Juliette doubted his love because of Kate. That will tear Sawyer apart and anything that could have happened with Kate is over, any affection that remained for Kate will die with Juliette.

Wow mnm so poignant, Juliette made the ultimate sacrifice I think. The only thing is she didn't give Sawyer enough credit, I think he loves her just as much as she loves him, (I say loves instead of loved because I don't want her to be dead). Actually kind of reminds me of "The way we were" with Babs and omg, I can't think of the guy, oh ya Robert Redford.

[losttime]

I am glad that trifling ho is dead (if she is indeed dead). and if she is dead, i don't want her undead ass causing any more trouble. the last thing we need is a zombie triangle.

see my love quadrangle of doom thread for my thoughts on this. all i have to say about Juliet is good riddance.

For that matter why not kill Sawyer and Kate and Jack off as well. There can be another triangle of Love once again. Why do you want the men to stay but have Juliet killed off. I rather have Juliet and Kte left to look at them than guys. Thats my personal thinking

[Kendall_lost]

I sobbed.
it was awful to see sawyer so hurt.

[tpbaxter]

For that matter why not kill Sawyer and Kate and Jack off as well. There can be another triangle of Love once again. Why do you want the men to stay but have Juliet killed off. I rather have Juliet and Kte left to look at them than guys. Thats my personal thinking

fair enough. whatever needs to be done to end quadrangle of doom I'm for it. i say let them all burn in hell...

I sobbed.
it was awful to see sawyer so hurt.

you must be an emotional wreck. i should have cheered when that happened. ;)

[7forever]

She had to die because of Skate and Jack. That's just how it goes in hollwood.:p

[tpbaxter]

ok, I was thinking about posting a new thread about this but here seems like a good place...

I just feel the Sawyer-Juliet romance was corny and contrived and hastily thrown together for exactly this purpose: to cause stupid fighting drama crap and then have one of them die just to pull at our emotions. I knew what they were up to so it was all predictable and corny to me.

Anyway, just to build my argument that this romance wasn't thought out all too well, does anyone else not think 3 years is an exceptionally long time to be together? Juliet looks young and all but I'm sure she's over 30. Her whole backstory is about children so I find it hard to believe that she would stay in a relationship for 3 years and the notion of kids would not come up even once. And what about marriage? Not to be sexist, but most unmarried women pushing 40 would start looking to take it to the "next level" I would think. Particularly Juliet who is a young professional who doesn't seem interested in living on the 'wild side' or being some sort of angry loaner type person. How is it even possible that these people are happily together for 3+ years?

I'm just saying, their romance was illogical in the first place. If they wanted Sawyer to change and fall in love it would have made more sense for him to fall in love with a new DHARMA character. Actually if that happened it would explain his attachment to the DHARMA lifestyle. But it seems like they just threw Juliet into the mix to further their stupid love quadrangle crap. bleh...

no offense but Juliet has been pretty pointless for some time and now that they have exhausted every single illogical love quadrangle permutation I don't see what else she has to offer to this story so I'm sorry but no, I'm not sad if they kill off her character. good riddance I say.

[7forever]

It didn't seem they were in love deeply but cared for each other. The creators said themselves. The emotions between Skate are high and intense. I think it makes sense in that they were on the island together and took comfort in each other.

[Dead but Here]

Don't know if anybody's thought of this... but in the Shakespeare play... Romeo kills himself thinking Juliet is dead, but she isn't and she wakes up to find him dead. Let's hope our Romeo has more sense.

As far as chemistry and fireworks and all that... I liked Sawyer and Juliet better than Sawyer and Kate. Fireworks = Drama = Stress. That doesn't last. Mutual respect, consideration and companionship does. Might seem boring (especially to you younger people) but there's something to be said for a little bit of boring. That's the point Rose and Bernard were trying to make. They're just happy together.

[vonnie]

I think Juilette and Sawyer did deeply love each other,she made him a better man and he loved her for it. He and Kate have strong chemistry but never had a relationship. I do think she is dead though no matter what happens next season.

[marrymejuliet]

It almost ruined my night seeing the whole Juliette/Sawyer exchange. I love/loved (can't decide if she'll still be around next season) her and was glad to see her have a little happiness even if only for three years. I am getting confused though. If she and the Losties flash, where will they all end up? Will she be on the island BL (before Losties) when she was stuck dodging Ben's advances and ham? Please help me sort this out.

Just wanted to express that it almost ruined my night too!! It really disturbed me.

Hopefully since the bomb went off, it won't have mattered that she died (if she did in fact die) and the same rules will be applied to her as the original Losties. For some reason, I doubt she will have a major role next season because I have been anticipating her death all season 5 because of the "V" pilot audition rumours and since they reduced her role signifcantly.

Hopefully I will be proven wrong!

[losttime]

I think although Sawyer had some old feelings for Kate who he did have feelings for before he bailed out of the chopper, his heart was with Juliet. Kate and Sawyer was more of a physical thing and really were too much alike to work. In the case of Juliet, Sawyer found something in her and was with her. Juliet couldnt help but think about Sawyer and Kate since she saw them together in the cage doing the deed. What I found intersting was when she used the phrase "Live Together, Die Alone" to Sawyer in the season Finale and Isaw Sawyers face when she said that and it hurt him. I am sure he is aware of Juliet and Jacks short lived connection. So for her to say that is like she is siding with Jack. Just something I thought when she used Jacks phrase

[rachelskid]

ok, I was thinking about posting a new thread about this but here seems like a good place...

I just feel the Sawyer-Juliet romance was corny and contrived and hastily thrown together for exactly this purpose: to cause stupid fighting drama crap and then have one of them die just to pull at our emotions. I knew what they were up to so it was all predictable and corny to me.

Anyway, just to build my argument that this romance wasn't thought out all too well, does anyone else not think 3 years is an exceptionally long time to be together? Juliet looks young and all but I'm sure she's over 30. Her whole backstory is about children so I find it hard to believe that she would stay in a relationship for 3 years and the notion of kids would not come up even once. And what about marriage? Not to be sexist, but most unmarried women pushing 40 would start looking to take it to the "next level" I would think. Particularly Juliet who is a young professional who doesn't seem interested in living on the 'wild side' or being some sort of angry loaner type person. How is it even possible that these people are happily together for 3+ years?

I'm just saying, their romance was illogical in the first place. If they wanted Sawyer to change and fall in love it would have made more sense for him to fall in love with a new DHARMA character. Actually if that happened it would explain his attachment to the DHARMA lifestyle. But it seems like they just threw Juliet into the mix to further their stupid love quadrangle crap. bleh...

no offense but Juliet has been pretty pointless for some time and now that they have exhausted every single illogical love quadrangle permutation I don't see what else she has to offer to this story so I'm sorry but no, I'm not sad if they kill off her character. good riddance I say.

Duuuuuuuuude. Seriously? first, are you really asking questions about kids? on the island? they addressed that, i believe. no kids. then amy had ethan and made a comment to juliette about her and LaFluer having one. Jules said "when the time is right." pun intended, I am sure. Second, the stereotype of women in their 30's and 40's is offensive, even if not intended. not every woman wants marriage. not every woman feels that she MUST get married before a certain age. Or, be married to have a kid. for example, jules sister. and jules was married before to that dick who got run over by a bus. now, add to that this trippy experience these people were having. that would be one strong stereotype to overpower all that.
regardless, i really think the quadrangle has spawned already. either kate is preggers. or jules. or both.
bet season six starts with the kids. ji yeon, Aaron, spawn of kate and jack, spawn of juliette and sawyer. :eek:

[tpbaxter]

Duuuuuuuuude. Seriously? first, are you really asking questions about kids? on the island? they addressed that, i believe. no kids. then amy had ethan and made a comment to juliette about her and LaFluer having one. Jules said "when the time is right." pun intended, I am sure. Second, the stereotype of women in their 30's and 40's is offensive, even if not intended. not every woman wants marriage. not every woman feels that she MUST get married before a certain age. Or, be married to have a kid. for example, jules sister. and jules was married before to that dick who got run over by a bus. now, add to that this trippy experience these people were having. that would be one strong stereotype to overpower all that.
regardless, i really think the quadrangle has spawned already. either kate is preggers. or jules. or both.
bet season six starts with the kids. ji yeon, Aaron, spawn of kate and jack, spawn of juliette and sawyer. :eek:

it would be quite a work of fiction to explain how Juliet could still be pregnant after that fall... Maybe Kate is, who knows?

about women in their 30s/40s I am perhaps over generalizing but I just think Juliet seems like an average person and I simply find it hard to believe that the desire to have a family would not be a huge drama in their lives. Considering her personality and age I doubt Juliet would even get involved with Sawyer if she did not believe it would go somewhere soon and under these circumstances I am betting Juliet would be 100 times more persistent about getting off the Island then Jack ever was. Unlike some of the other characters, she may have something to want to leave for. In fact a big part of her initial story was wanting to leave.

Anyway, I think I've said all I can say about the love quadrangle. I just don't like it. Some people do so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[rachelskid]

it would be quite a work of fiction to explain how Juliet could still be pregnant after that fall... Maybe Kate is, who knows?

about women in their 30s/40s I am perhaps over generalizing but I just think Juliet seems like an average person and I simply find it hard to believe that the desire to have a family would not be a huge drama in their lives. Considering her personality and age I doubt Juliet would even get involved with Sawyer if she did not believe it would go somewhere soon and under these circumstances I am betting Juliet would be 100 times more persistent about getting off the Island then Jack ever was. Unlike some of the other characters, she may have something to want to leave for. In fact a big part of her initial story was wanting to leave.

Anyway, I think I've said all I can say about the love quadrangle. I just don't like it. Some people do so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

meh, i don't particularly like the quadrangle either. in fact, i am pretty sure thats why i started to hate kate and be annoyed with jack. i guess i should say i hated the triangle. its annoying as hell. i did like suliet for whatever reason though. and i am not alone, apparently there was HUGE fan reaction to it. maybe because it offered promise that the triangle would be over. i cannot explain it fully. but, it had really great vibes. but i do like all the character stories and developments. i love the moments when they reunite or just hang out and their sometimes strained friendships.
as for leaving the island - which sawyer and juliette could have done - we know sawyer was waiting for the losties and juliette probably did not want to go back and live out her life without any hope of seeing her sister and niece ever again. she'd see sis but as a child. it's got to be hard and weird to just accept that you will live out your life in a whole different time, rather than stay put and wait for the next weird thing that may put you right again. i think they may have been holding on to that. also, plot device, which is inevitable.

[losttime]

meh, i don't particularly like the quadrangle either. in fact, i am pretty sure thats why i started to hate kate and be annoyed with jack. i guess i should say i hated the triangle. its annoying as hell. i did like suliet for whatever reason though. and i am not alone, apparently there was HUGE fan reaction to it. maybe because it offered promise that the triangle would be over. i cannot explain it fully. but, it had really great vibes. but i do like all the character stories and developments. i love the moments when they reunite or just hang out and their sometimes strained friendships.
as for leaving the island - which sawyer and juliette could have done - we know sawyer was waiting for the losties and juliette probably did not want to go back and live out her life without any hope of seeing her sister and niece ever again. she'd see sis but as a child. it's got to be hard and weird to just accept that you will live out your life in a whole different time, rather than stay put and wait for the next weird thing that may put you right again. i think they may have been holding on to that. also, plot device, which is inevitable.

This love triangle quadrangle or any other type of angle for that matter was not just adding a sappy love story to Lost. The original battle for Kate between Sawyer and Jack was important because it carried over to the rescue of the O6 and how Jack was jealous of Kate and Kate realizing that her attachment to Aaron was not for the sake of Aaron but for herself. Than Juliet and Sawyer was not a shock at all to me. I almost expected it. But when the O6 return, well some of them, their was concern with Juliet about Kate and Sawyer, and for a good reason. But in the end it was clear that Jack stilled loved Kate and Sawyer truly loved Juliet regardless if he had some feeling for Kate. He was with her before Juliet came into the picture. I mean Juliet did zap Sawyer with that stun dart and threatened to kill Kate as well while she was with the "Others" But anyway. I think it played well into the story and was an influence to what and how they did things.

[Turnip Queen]

I have said it on a few different threads! I was really upset about Juliet! But she's not dead! She was as alive as everyone else when she set off the bomb/time flash! So she'd better be still alive! Poor Juliet! :(

[rachelskid]

This love triangle quadrangle or any other type of angle for that matter was not just adding a sappy love story to Lost. The original battle for Kate between Sawyer and Jack was important because it carried over to the rescue of the O6 and how Jack was jealous of Kate and Kate realizing that her attachment to Aaron was not for the sake of Aaron but for herself. Than Juliet and Sawyer was not a shock at all to me. I almost expected it. But when the O6 return, well some of them, their was concern with Juliet about Kate and Sawyer, and for a good reason. But in the end it was clear that Jack stilled loved Kate and Sawyer truly loved Juliet regardless if he had some feeling for Kate. He was with her before Juliet came into the picture. I mean Juliet did zap Sawyer with that stun dart and threatened to kill Kate as well while she was with the "Others" But anyway. I think it played well into the story and was an influence to what and how they did things.

yep. plot device. but sometimes it was weak in nature. don't get me wrong i am HUGE lost fan. huge. love it. and the relationships, mythology, the whole thing. but the quad/tri angle was sometimes a week plot devise. you have to admit, jack finding it easier to detonate a hyrogen bomb to get kate back rather than just tell her he still wants to be with her, is a little...weak. and, actually, it would be sooooo much weirder if there was no one hooking up in all this time. doesn't anyone ever wonder when (if) ben got some ever? or how long has locke gone without? its weird. human nature means people fall for each other and hook up. always. at work, at school, plane crash, time traveling. the more intense the situation, the more intense the feelings. so, i'm not against the hooking up in general. and with so few women on island, well, it stands to reason...disputes will arise.

[tpbaxter]

This love triangle quadrangle or any other type of angle for that matter was not just adding a sappy love story to Lost. The original battle for Kate between Sawyer and Jack was important because it carried over to the rescue of the O6 and how Jack was jealous of Kate and Kate realizing that her attachment to Aaron was not for the sake of Aaron but for herself. Than Juliet and Sawyer was not a shock at all to me. I almost expected it. But when the O6 return, well some of them, their was concern with Juliet about Kate and Sawyer, and for a good reason. But in the end it was clear that Jack stilled loved Kate and Sawyer truly loved Juliet regardless if he had some feeling for Kate. He was with her before Juliet came into the picture. I mean Juliet did zap Sawyer with that stun dart and threatened to kill Kate as well while she was with the "Others" But anyway. I think it played well into the story and was an influence to what and how they did things.

what? sorry I fell asleep in middle of reading this...

[Looking4aSensibleEnding]

I think until Amy had Ethan, there was still some thought that Island pregnancy = death (although Mrs. Chang apparently had Miles 3 months earlier).

[losttime]

what? sorry I fell asleep in middle of reading this...

HAHAHA arent you the funny one.

[Jelena]

ok, I was thinking about posting a new thread about this but here seems like a good place...

I just feel the Sawyer-Juliet romance was corny and contrived and hastily thrown together for exactly this purpose: to cause stupid fighting drama crap and then have one of them die just to pull at our emotions. I knew what they were up to so it was all predictable and corny to me.

Anyway, just to build my argument that this romance wasn't thought out all too well, does anyone else not think 3 years is an exceptionally long time to be together? Juliet looks young and all but I'm sure she's over 30. Her whole backstory is about children so I find it hard to believe that she would stay in a relationship for 3 years and the notion of kids would not come up even once. And what about marriage? Not to be sexist, but most unmarried women pushing 40 would start looking to take it to the "next level" I would think. Particularly Juliet who is a young professional who doesn't seem interested in living on the 'wild side' or being some sort of angry loaner type person. How is it even possible that these people are happily together for 3+ years?

I'm just saying, their romance was illogical in the first place. If they wanted Sawyer to change and fall in love it would have made more sense for him to fall in love with a new DHARMA character. Actually if that happened it would explain his attachment to the DHARMA lifestyle. But it seems like they just threw Juliet into the mix to further their stupid love quadrangle crap. bleh...

no offense but Juliet has been pretty pointless for some time and now that they have exhausted every single illogical love quadrangle permutation I don't see what else she has to offer to this story so I'm sorry but no, I'm not sad if they kill off her character. good riddance I say.


I disagree about the part on kids and marriage, and I think you're making a completely irrelevant generalization.

However, I'm totally on board with you with the whole "good riddance Juliet" attitude. She always went on my nerves, and I was so pissed when the whole Suliet thing happened. She's such a boring, dishonest, shallow character, and that plastic smile she always wears is just too much to bear. Awful, awful. If there's one character I don't want to see return in Season 6 it's Juliet.
I must say, that Jack and Kate were also a terrible couple. I wouldn't want to see that replay either.

[Chronos]

I am surprised that no one that I have seen has even commented on the loss of Juliet. I was realy taken back by that and quite sad to be honest. I really enjoyed her character and was shocked to see her bite it. What I noticed though is how Sawyer truly loved her and although he may had feelings for Kate, his heart really was with Juliet.

I don't believe Juliet is dead... remember what happened to Desmond when the hatch exploded? Do you notice the similarities?

[Tangoh]

she isnt dead! she cant be! *crys* why do they always kill the blonds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[woogie]

I don't believe Juliet is dead... remember what happened to Desmond when the hatch exploded? Do you notice the similarities?

I think you and I are the only ones that get it :)

I would put money on it that the first scene of season 6 will be Desmond in the hatch right when 815 crashes.

[Entervoice]

I am surprised that no one that I have seen has even commented on the loss of Juliet. I was realy taken back by that and quite sad to be honest. I really enjoyed her character and was shocked to see her bite it. What I noticed though is how Sawyer truly loved her and although he may had feelings for Kate, his heart really was with Juliet.

Sawyer does loves Kate, not Juliet

When Bernard was talking about being together with Rose and that's all that matter.
Juliet smiled and tried to make eye contact with Sawyer but he was too busy looking at Kate and only then she really realised that he loves her. That's why she agreed with Jack to blow up the swan!!!

Poor Juliet, her ex- husband was killed by a bus, her boyfriend on the Island was killed with a stake and Sawyer is still in love with Kate!!

[lostinthecity4ever]

I just finished watching the Finale and that line always touches me about If I wouldve never met you, then I wont have to lose you. then the exchange of "I love you" between Juliet and Sawyer, Its sad... poor Juliet.

[losttime]

He may have had feelings for Kate but his heart was with Juliet. He responded pretty heavily when Juliet fell into the hole. He was pretty broke up over it. I think the realization of losing he rwas so great there and truly knew at that moment how he felt about Juliet. Lets face it, Sawyer and Kate connected on the Island, they shared a connection and did love her. but he chose to stay on the Island. He fell in love with Juliet. That doesnt mean he couldnt still have feelings for Kate but you know what they say "out of sight, out of mind" When he saw her again it had to be difficult for him to not have feelings again. but like he told Juliet. He was with her and that was it. he even told Jack that Kate is right over there go after her. He wasnt interested in Kate anymore. He love Juliet.

[Chronos]

I think you and I are the only ones that get it :)

I would put money on it that the first scene of season 6 will be Desmond in the hatch right when 815 crashes.

Yes, we will again see 815 crash... mark my words.

[mnm4334]

Sawyer does loves Kate, not Juliet

When Bernard was talking about being together with Rose and that's all that matter.
Juliet smiled and tried to make eye contact with Sawyer but he was too busy looking at Kate and only then she really realised that he loves her. That's why she agreed with Jack to blow up the swan!!!

Poor Juliet, her ex- husband was killed by a bus, her boyfriend on the Island was killed with a stake and Sawyer is still in love with Kate!!

From a guys perspective and lets be honest, when a guy loves a girl another guy will see it, females dont really understand the way our feelings work, Juliette thought that Sawyer had feelings for Kate, she was wrong, the entire emotional point of the finale was a play on the complexities of relationships and how much more Sawyer loved Juliete than he ever loved Kate.

When Sawyer jumped off the helicopter and then saw the smoke by the freighter, he thought Kate was dead. He barely blinked. Your feelings are most clear when you think you have lost what you thought you loved. The reaction he had was not of a man who lost his one true love.

Fast forward or reverse if you will, Juliette falls, this is the woman who doesnt think that Sawyer loves him, the woman who would rather change history and never meet him than risk ever having to lose him. Sawyer LOVES her more than anything in this world, she is his world, he would leave everyone else behind so long as she's by his side.

If you think that looking over at a girl you used to have a thing for, after she magically reappears three years later means anything beyond superficial what if thinking your out of your mind or simply do not understand what love is to Sawyer. Juliette has always had Sawyers back, always supported, she didnt go behind his back, she didnt toy with him, Juliette loved him, openly, no holds barred no questions asked no games played. When a beautiful women supports you like that she makes you want to be a better man. Sawyer is not an idiot, but hes still human, the look he had on his face was not one of love but one of curiosity and wonder. He never forgot though who truly loved him.

Kate never loved Sawyer, she took it back the first time she said it, she excused it, like it didnt even matter. Believe me, Sawyer wouldnt forget a thing like that, if Kate loves Sawyer she doesn't know how to show it, and Sawyer is the kind of man that needs a woman who knows how she feels and fights for the man she loves. Thats not Kate, Kate's the kind of girl that hurts the people around her without ever letting them know how she feels.

I feel for Sawyer because he's the kind of man who doesn't show his feelings about other people very well and in some ways doesn't really understand just how much some people mean to him. If Juliette is gone, Sawyer will never be able to look at Kate again, looking at Kate is the reason why Juliette doubted Sawyers love, and the only reason they returned and the only reason she fell. Sawyers the kind of man that uses abstract reasoning, and he will be too distraught to be angry, he will blame himself and fall victim to despair.

There were countless threads and posts discussing and lamenting the fate of Juliette. Most agree that Sawyer loved Juliette more than Kate. The only reason why this discussion is not more prevalent is because some people are more concerned with Jacob/Anti Jacob, but believe me, there are far more Juliette fans out there now.

Sawyer loved her more, you could see it on his face, in his tears, the raw power of his emotion, the fear in his eyes when she was about to fall. His only reconciliation is that she was able to see him, and in that moment she realized albeit too late, that she had his heart completely.

I dunno maybe its just me, but it seems like most guys like Juliette and girls like Kate, I don't get it....

[mnm4334]

ok, I was thinking about posting a new thread about this but here seems like a good place...

I just feel the Sawyer-Juliet romance was corny and contrived and hastily thrown together for exactly this purpose: to cause stupid fighting drama crap and then have one of them die just to pull at our emotions. I knew what they were up to so it was all predictable and corny to me.

Anyway, just to build my argument that this romance wasn't thought out all too well, does anyone else not think 3 years is an exceptionally long time to be together? Juliet looks young and all but I'm sure she's over 30. Her whole backstory is about children so I find it hard to believe that she would stay in a relationship for 3 years and the notion of kids would not come up even once. And what about marriage? Not to be sexist, but most unmarried women pushing 40 would start looking to take it to the "next level" I would think. Particularly Juliet who is a young professional who doesn't seem interested in living on the 'wild side' or being some sort of angry loaner type person. How is it even possible that these people are happily together for 3+ years?

I'm just saying, their romance was illogical in the first place. If they wanted Sawyer to change and fall in love it would have made more sense for him to fall in love with a new DHARMA character. Actually if that happened it would explain his attachment to the DHARMA lifestyle. But it seems like they just threw Juliet into the mix to further their stupid love quadrangle crap. bleh...

no offense but Juliet has been pretty pointless for some time and now that they have exhausted every single illogical love quadrangle permutation I don't see what else she has to offer to this story so I'm sorry but no, I'm not sad if they kill off her character. good riddance I say.

you don't choose who you love and love is not logical...

if you looking for logic I don't get how you can stand lost. Also, you get thrown back in time with a pretty blonde girl who shot you with a taser the first time you met but now is pretty gung ho about supporting you. You get to know this person better over the course of flashing through time, fighting others, running from flaming arrows, she's been there for you, and you think that them developing feelings for each other was hasty?

I'm sorry, in TV drama I didn't realize there was a screen time requirement before feelings could be exchanged. I personally thought it took too long to find a better woman for Sawyer to get him away from Kate.

Young idiots who get divorced quickly are the people who rush into marriage and or children. I think the reasoning for not wanting to have kids on the island is pretty self explanatory...the mothers die... and we know they only learned that the event that triggers the mothers dying hadn't happened yet when Amy gave birth which was two days before all hell broke loose, so not a lot of time for discussion before the Kate bomb got dropped on the island.

Maybe Juliette didn't want to get married on the island, maybe Sawyer didnt like the institution, after all his parents werent the epitome of marital bliss. Not having kids and not being married does not mean you do not love each other, honestly staying together while not being married and not having kids basically not being "chained" together and wanting to be together anyway shows more love than any forced relationship.

[losttime]

you don't choose who you love and love is not logical...

if you looking for logic I don't get how you can stand lost. Also, you get thrown back in time with a pretty blonde girl who shot you with a taser the first time you met but now is pretty gung ho about supporting you. You get to know this person better over the course of flashing through time, fighting others, running from flaming arrows, she's been there for you, and you think that them developing feelings for each other was hasty?

I'm sorry, in TV drama I didn't realize there was a screen time requirement before feelings could be exchanged. I personally thought it took too long to find a better woman for Sawyer to get him away from Kate.

Young idiots who get divorced quickly are the people who rush into marriage and or children. I think the reasoning for not wanting to have kids on the island is pretty self explanatory...the mothers die... and we know they only learned that the event that triggers the mothers dying hadn't happened yet when Amy gave birth which was two days before all hell broke loose, so not a lot of time for discussion before the Kate bomb got dropped on the island.

Maybe Juliette didn't want to get married on the island, maybe Sawyer didnt like the institution, after all his parents werent the epitome of marital bliss. Not having kids and not being married does not mean you do not love each other, honestly staying together while not being married and not having kids basically not being "chained" together and wanting to be together anyway shows more love than any forced relationship.

You should start a show like "Dr Phil" I agree with you I said it in the begining that Sawyer loves Juliet. I still think he had some feelings for Kate which was obvious when she retunred to amp with Jack Juliet and Sayid in the episode "One of Them" There was a connection but nothing like the connection he had with Juliet.

[tpbaxter]

wow. I am glad I don't participate in the "Days of Our Lives" forum because reading through these comments is tiring and exhausting for me.
I just don't understand what you people are talking about and I cannot relate. No offense or anything, but I feel like everyone who has participated in this conversation is a total idiot. No offense :cool:.

Anyway, I've said how I feel about this and nothing I have read has convinced me otherwise. No offense, but this show is about Jacob vs. Anti-Jacob and Free Will vs. Faith and what not. All this soap opera crap feels like a completely unnecessary distraction.

I was watching 'In Treatment' on HBO this weekend which is a show about patients that talk to their psychotherapist. One patient was a 43 year old single woman who works as a high priced attorney in NYC. I think one thing she learned from therapy was that getting married and having children would not have solved all or any of her problems and that maybe she wanted to do that only to conform to social norms or something. But still not having a family at that age was a huge drama in her life and one that was difficult to overcome.

So again, simply put I find it completely unrealistic and hard to believe that a character like Juliet would completely abandon the notion of starting a family in favor of wasting some time with Sawyer of all people in Dharmaland. Even if they were to stay together for that long, I am almost certain that they would be at each others throats after three very long years. All of this drama was disregarded and I feel like I know why. It was just a waste of time and it was corny to me. Even the actor who plays Sawyer said in one of the podcasts that he was surprised when he found out about Juliet and Sawyer because as he said "Sawyer is a fun weekend, not relationship material".

[losttime]

wow. I am glad I don't participate in the "Days of Our Lives" forum because reading through these comments is tiring and exhausting for me.
I just don't understand what you people are talking about and I cannot relate. No offense or anything, but I feel like everyone who has participated in this conversation is a total idiot. No offense :cool:.

Anyway, I've said how I feel about this and nothing I have read has convinced me otherwise. No offense, but this show is about Jacob vs. Anti-Jacob and Free Will vs. Faith and what not. All this soap opera crap feels like a completely unnecessary distraction.

I was watching 'In Treatment' on HBO this weekend which is a show about patients that talk to their psychotherapist. One patient was a 43 year old single woman who works as a high priced attorney in NYC. I think one thing she learned from therapy was that getting married and having children would not have solved all or any of her problems and that maybe she wanted to do that only to conform to social norms or something. But still not having a family at that age was a huge drama in her life and one that was difficult to overcome.

So again, simply put I find it completely unrealistic and hard to believe that a character like Juliet would completely abandon the notion of starting a family in favor of wasting some time with Sawyer of all people in Dharmaland. Even if they were to stay together for that long, I am almost certain that they would be at each others throats after three very long years. All of this drama was disregarded and I feel like I know why. It was just a waste of time and it was corny to me. Even the actor who plays Sawyer said in one of the podcasts that he was surprised when he found out about Juliet and Sawyer because as he said "Sawyer is a fun weekend, not relationship material".

So that makes you a "total idiot" as well because you have been participating in this conversation for some time now.
And as we have seen. Sawyer technicaly was no longer Sawyer after killing the real Sawyer. It closed a painful chapter in his life that was ended when he killed him. Sawyer stil proved to be the bad-ass eventhough he was in love. he was able to maintain the head of security position for the DI for some 3 yrs and had the love of a real woman. And you are comparing Lost to other shows? Sawyer may claim to be that but than he also started having feelings for Casidy and made it difficult to con her. So he talked the tal but didnt really walk the walk.

[tpbaxter]

So that makes you a "total idiot" as well because you have been participating in this conversation for some time now.
And as we have seen. Sawyer technicaly was no longer Sawyer after killing the real Sawyer. It closed a painful chapter in his life that was ended when he killed him. Sawyer stil proved to be the bad-ass eventhough he was in love. he was able to maintain the head of security position for the DI for some 3 yrs and had the love of a real woman. And you are comparing Lost to other shows? Sawyer may claim to be that but than he also started having feelings for Casidy and made it difficult to con her. So he talked the tal but didnt really walk the walk.

haha I somehow knew you wouldn't let the total idiot comment slide.

Anyway, I am comparing Lost to real life. "In Treatment" on HBO is extremely realistic while Lost is, well, not. Yeah I mean obviously Lost is fantasy but they spend a lot of time looking into human behavior and emotions and as far as characters I would expect something more realistic. Which is to say yes, I think Sawyer-Juliet combo was/is unrealistic.

Also Sawyer killed his father before he jumped out of the moving helicopter in order to abandon Kate. His maturation process must have happened during the three year period we did not see. If they needed to have Sawyer change to move the plot along fine, but don't expect me to like it when a character suddenly changes his stripes. Whatever the case, I personally was not moved by their relationship. It's just a difference of opinion I guess and I don't think someone is going to convince me that I did like something I thought I didn't so I don't think I have much more to discuss here. All I will say is that I don't think Sawyer-Juliet was done completely for artistic reasons which bothers me and I feel annoyed that some people cling so hard to avoid that realization.

[losttime]

haha I somehow knew you wouldn't let the total idiot comment slide.

Anyway, I am comparing Lost to real life. "In Treatment" on HBO is extremely realistic while Lost is, well, not. Yeah I mean obviously Lost is fantasy but they spend a lot of time looking into human behavior and emotions and as far as characters I would expect something more realistic. Which is to say yes, I think Sawyer-Juliet combo was/is unrealistic.

Also Sawyer killed his father before he jumped out of the moving helicopter in order to abandon Kate. His maturation process must have happened during the three year period we did not see. If they needed to have Sawyer change to move the plot along fine, but don't expect me to like it when a character suddenly changes his stripes. Whatever the case, I personally was not moved by their relationship. It's just a difference of opinion I guess and I don't think someone is going to convince me that I did like something I thought I didn't so I don't think I have much more to discuss here. All I will say is that I don't think Sawyer-Juliet was done completely for artistic reasons which bothers me and I feel annoyed that some people cling so hard to avoid that realization.

Oh come on Baxter. he was showing signs of maturation at the end last season . He was concerned with the welfare of Claire risking his own life to save hers. He was protecting Claire from Miles who he thought was a threat. In fact I will have to look back at threads I left after last season because I am almost positive i commented on how Sawyer seems to be changing, that he is more into helping others where as before he only looked out for himself.

[Jelena]

You're both right. Sawyer definitely matured as the show progressed. However, in my opinion, he had no choice but to accept the DI way of life, and it's normal to start feeling close to a person with whom you're forced to spend a lot of time. So, in my opinion, Sawyer started to feel affection towards Juliet, and since there was nothing to rebel against (ie. Jack), he accepted that conformist lifestyle. For sure they felt love towards one another, but it's a love void of sparkles, that was boring for me to watch. Yuck! :p

[losttime]

You're both right. Sawyer definitely matured as the show progressed. However, in my opinion, he had no choice but to accept the DI way of life, and it's normal to start feeling close to a person with whom you're forced to spend a lot of time. So, in my opinion, Sawyer started to feel affection towards Juliet, and since there was nothing to rebel against (ie. Jack), he accepted that conformist lifestyle. For sure they felt love towards one another, but it's a love void of sparkles, that was boring for me to watch. Yuck! :p

You think that it was a matter of being "forced" to spend time with someone? Trust me. I have spent a lot of time with some women and some have been absolutely beautiful. but let me tell you there personalities proved just the opposite. For that matter of being forced to spend a lot of time with, there were new recruits coming to the Island why didnt he have a thing with one of them if he was the so-called weekend warrior? Something happened between him and Juliet. We saw him happily walking along, picks up a flower or rose or something for her and gives it to her. He seemed very happy with her and not "forced" to be in the relationship.
And had no choice but to "accept the DI way of life"? he could have left the Island if he wanted to. He chose to stay there. He even said he was happy living there. So I am sorry I respectfully disagree with your rationale.

[sun_j]

From a guys perspective and lets be honest, when a guy loves a girl another guy will see it, females dont really understand the way our feelings work, Juliette thought that Sawyer had feelings for Kate, she was wrong, the entire emotional point of the finale was a play on the complexities of relationships and how much more Sawyer loved Juliete than he ever loved Kate.

When Sawyer jumped off the helicopter and then saw the smoke by the freighter, he thought Kate was dead. He barely blinked. Your feelings are most clear when you think you have lost what you thought you loved. The reaction he had was not of a man who lost his one true love.

Fast forward or reverse if you will, Juliette falls, this is the woman who doesnt think that Sawyer loves him, the woman who would rather change history and never meet him than risk ever having to lose him. Sawyer LOVES her more than anything in this world, she is his world, he would leave everyone else behind so long as she's by his side.

If you think that looking over at a girl you used to have a thing for, after she magically reappears three years later means anything beyond superficial what if thinking your out of your mind or simply do not understand what love is to Sawyer. Juliette has always had Sawyers back, always supported, she didnt go behind his back, she didnt toy with him, Juliette loved him, openly, no holds barred no questions asked no games played. When a beautiful women supports you like that she makes you want to be a better man. Sawyer is not an idiot, but hes still human, the look he had on his face was not one of love but one of curiosity and wonder. He never forgot though who truly loved him.

Kate never loved Sawyer, she took it back the first time she said it, she excused it, like it didnt even matter. Believe me, Sawyer wouldnt forget a thing like that, if Kate loves Sawyer she doesn't know how to show it, and Sawyer is the kind of man that needs a woman who knows how she feels and fights for the man she loves. Thats not Kate, Kate's the kind of girl that hurts the people around her without ever letting them know how she feels.

I feel for Sawyer because he's the kind of man who doesn't show his feelings about other people very well and in some ways doesn't really understand just how much some people mean to him. If Juliette is gone, Sawyer will never be able to look at Kate again, looking at Kate is the reason why Juliette doubted Sawyers love, and the only reason they returned and the only reason she fell. Sawyers the kind of man that uses abstract reasoning, and he will be too distraught to be angry, he will blame himself and fall victim to despair.

There were countless threads and posts discussing and lamenting the fate of Juliette. Most agree that Sawyer loved Juliette more than Kate. The only reason why this discussion is not more prevalent is because some people are more concerned with Jacob/Anti Jacob, but believe me, there are far more Juliette fans out there now.

Sawyer loved her more, you could see it on his face, in his tears, the raw power of his emotion, the fear in his eyes when she was about to fall. His only reconciliation is that she was able to see him, and in that moment she realized albeit too late, that she had his heart completely.

I dunno maybe its just me, but it seems like most guys like Juliette and girls like Kate, I don't get it....




I couldn't agree more with you!!!everything you say it's right!!!I'm totally on board with the relationship of Sawyer and Juliet!
They belong together that's for sure..!I really hope she is alive in the final season..she can't be dead..I know that!:o:o

ps:I'm a girl and girls like Juliet too!she is the best female character right now on the show along with Sun.

[losttime]

I know Kate didnt weight very prominently this season but I think she will become important in the final season. In fact, I think all of the O6 including Desmond are going to be very very important in the final season. Why else would Jacob have made a point to go to the mainland at different points of their lives and make contact and not just in a physical sense. it was intersting how subtle it was when he touched each and everyone of them. I have to rewatch the scene with Sun or Jin becasue I dont recall him touching them.

[Looking4aSensibleEnding]

I couldn't agree more with you!!!everything you say it's right!!!I'm totally on board with the relationship of Sawyer and Juliet!
They belong together that's for sure..!I really hope she is alive in the final season..she can't be dead..I know that!:o:o

ps:I'm a girl and girls like Juliet too!she is the best female character right now on the show along with Sun.

I have to agree that from a female perspective I prefer Juliet to Kate, because she's not a manipulator. I didn't like Juliet at all when she first showed up and figured the whole relationship with Sawyer was to rehabilitate Juliet's standing with the audience.
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Only now I feel like I've been played because the writers are saying she'll be in 2 eps max next season, so the relationship that we all grew to like is over. If the writers or ABC had put any thought into this, they should have considered that if V is a big hit, people might cross over to LOST to see Mitchell, but if she's not going to be seen, they probably won't take the trouble to stick around.

[Jelena]

You think that it was a matter of being "forced" to spend time with someone? Trust me. I have spent a lot of time with some women and some have been absolutely beautiful. but let me tell you there personalities proved just the opposite. For that matter of being forced to spend a lot of time with, there were new recruits coming to the Island why didnt he have a thing with one of them if he was the so-called weekend warrior? Something happened between him and Juliet. We saw him happily walking along, picks up a flower or rose or something for her and gives it to her. He seemed very happy with her and not "forced" to be in the relationship.
And had no choice but to "accept the DI way of life"? he could have left the Island if he wanted to. He chose to stay there. He even said he was happy living there. So I am sorry I respectfully disagree with your rationale.

I'm not saying he was forced to be in a relationship with Juliet, just that it was natural for them two hook up considering the circumstances. Him being around Juliet, and you being around these girls you talk about is totally different. Being thrown in 1977 among a very dangerous group of people you don't know of course you're stick to the people you already know, until you assess the situation properly. It's probably when Sawyer started to feel affection towards Juliet, during this period of adjustment. And I never said Sawyer was a "weekend warrior". I'm just saying that he hooked up with Juliet over time, and that this probably wouldn't have happened if the circumstances were different, and they didn't live together like that. And I am entitled not to like this one bit - cause I never liked the character of Juliet.

And as for him leaving the island. What was he gonna do in 1977, or rather, 1974? Even so, he had to first become a part of DI before they would let him use their sub. Do you really think that he was happy living in Dharma at the very beginning? I speak from experience when I say that sometimes you're forced to live in certain conditions that overtime you grow to like. That's what I'm hinting at regarding this whole Suliet situation. And you're 100% entitled to disagree, but perhaps it's time that you and I agree to disagree, hm? :)

[Noneya]

I am surprised that no one that I have seen has even commented on the loss of Juliet. I was realy taken back by that and quite sad to be honest. I really enjoyed her character and was shocked to see her bite it. What I noticed though is how Sawyer truly loved her and although he may had feelings for Kate, his heart really was with Juliet.

I'm kinda new here, but I wanted to put my 2 cents in too! I 100% disagree. I just never trusted her character.

In regards to Kate/Sawyer/Juliet...I actually think it was the exact opposite...He had feelings for Juliet but his heart was really with Kate. Always has been. He pursued Kate and we all saw that he wanted her...This whole relationship with Juliet seems to be one of convenience.


You're both right. Sawyer definitely matured as the show progressed. However, in my opinion, he had no choice but to accept the DI way of life, and it's normal to start feeling close to a person with whom you're forced to spend a lot of time. So, in my opinion, Sawyer started to feel affection towards Juliet, and since there was nothing to rebel against (ie. Jack), he accepted that conformist lifestyle. For sure they felt love towards one another, but it's a love void of sparkles, that was boring for me to watch. Yuck!

LoL...I thought I was the only one who felt awkward just watching those two!!!

[Jelena]

I'm kinda new here, but I wanted to put my 2 cents in too! I 100% disagree. I just never trusted her character.

In regards to Kate/Sawyer/Juliet...I actually think it was the exact opposite...He had feelings for Juliet but his heart was really with Kate. Always has been. He pursued Kate and we all saw that he wanted her...This whole relationship with Juliet seems to be one of convenience.



LoL...I thought I was the only one who felt awkward just watching those two!!!

You said it nicely, "convenience" is the exact word I needed in my posts to better explain how I perceived the relationship between Sawyer and Juliet. I agree 100% with everything you've said.

[Noneya]

You said it nicely, "convenience" is the exact word I needed in my posts to better explain how I perceived the relationship between Sawyer and Juliet. I agree 100% with everything you've said.

I think the same thing could be said about Kate and Jack's relationship OFF the island. Sawyer wasn't around for Kate...NEXT RUNNER UP!

[Jelena]

I think the same thing could be said about Kate and Jack's relationship OFF the island. Sawyer wasn't around for Kate...NEXT RUNNER UP!

Well, maybe, except that we've seen a spark here and there while J+K were still on the island, but you're right, their relationship, especially engagement stinks a lot of convenience.

[losttime]

Well, maybe, except that we've seen a spark here and there while J+K were still on the island, but you're right, their relationship, especially engagement stinks a lot of convenience.

jack had strong feelings for Kate before they ever got off the Island. his conversaton with kate when Sawyer wouldnt let her go wit him and Juliet was for her protection and Kate asked why he was saying that Sawyer wouldnt do the same and Jack said it was because he loved her. Kate also had feelings for him as well although she seemed to be connected to Sawyer more.

[rachelskid]

1.) I think the differance between those who prefer Suliet to Skate is not gender but age and expereince. those who have lived long enough to have and lose the first love, to then find the real deal, totally understand the complexity of the whole experience. the one that got away will ALWAYS always spark a little something. BUT most could not be happier that its over and that they have the one they truly love in a real and deep way.
2.) to those who say they do not understand this thread or the attachment some audience members have to the relationships, well, actually, and "no offense" but take a good look at your life. have you experienced love? if not, go out there and do that. seriously. get dirty, forget social normas and stereotypes. just go grow.
3) ironically, in treatment is one of damon's favorite shows.
4) to whomever said "the producers said juliette will be in 2 epis max." thats a load of crap. ausiello said that. first, tptb are in radio silence until comic-con. second, they do not discuss this type of stuff. they do not allow spoilers based on acter contracts. not until wayyyyyyy after the fact. third, (And i have said this before) at some point last season or end of season 4, tptb needed hawking to come do scenes and she was unavailable. this on the heels of the libby actress refusing to return and eko's actor bailing. so, they contracted all the actors to be available for the sixth season for whatever amount of time they needed so that the end story was not comprimised. everyone except micheal. further, e. mitchell has already been working on both shows, and she said it sucked but it was doable and all during the season where she is lead in both. i do not think that her V job is the reason or an indicator that juliette is dead or that sawyer and juliette will not be together. she may be dead, and they may not end up together, but this is not the indicator.

[tpbaxter]

1.) I think the differance between those who prefer Suliet to Skate is not gender but age and expereince. those who have lived long enough to have and lose the first love, to then find the real deal, totally understand the complexity of the whole experience. the one that got away will ALWAYS always spark a little something. BUT most could not be happier that its over and that they have the one they truly love in a real and deep way.
2.) to those who say they do not understand this thread or the attachment some audience members have to the relationships, well, actually, and "no offense" but take a good look at your life. have you experienced love? if not, go out there and do that. seriously. get dirty, forget social normas and stereotypes. just go grow.
3) ironically, in treatment is one of damon's favorite shows.
4) to whomever said "the producers said juliette will be in 2 epis max." thats a load of crap. ausiello said that. first, tptb are in radio silence until comic-con. second, they do not discuss this type of stuff. they do not allow spoilers based on acter contracts. not until wayyyyyyy after the fact. third, (And i have said this before) at some point last season or end of season 4, tptb needed hawking to come do scenes and she was unavailable. this on the heels of the libby actress refusing to return and eko's actor bailing. so, they contracted all the actors to be available for the sixth season for whatever amount of time they needed so that the end story was not comprimised. everyone except micheal. further, e. mitchell has already been working on both shows, and she said it sucked but it was doable and all during the season where she is lead in both. i do not think that her V job is the reason or an indicator that juliette is dead or that sawyer and juliette will not be together. she may be dead, and they may not end up together, but this is not the indicator.

About #1: I don't care about Suliet or Skate (why are we making their names start with an S by the way?). I personally have never commented about first loves or anything. The part I find disagreeable is the combination of Sawyer + Juliet for these reasons:


They have nothing in common and their pairing seems quite unlikely and out of character for both.
If they were to hook up, their relationship would be much more difficult and dramatic then it was portrayed to be.
Their relationship developed too quickly for me to buy into it.
I felt their relationship was corny and predictable because I saw it coming and knew they were just throwing it in their to start fighting and then make someone die/break up at the end. This is my biggest complaint because it makes me distrust the people who make Lost. They are throwing stupid garbage in the story for ratings. Do you really expect me not to complain if they pair every single character in the show with every single other character in the show no matter how absurd the combinations are? What's next? Maybe I can expect them to throw in Claire and Hurley and go for a Love hexangle?


Edit: Also about #2, the part I don't understand is when people babble on and on about how this person is perfect for this person and how beautiful their love is and so forth... To those who feel the need to defend Sawyer + Juliet I say maybe you need to escape your own experiences a bit because you may be so desperate to feel some connection that you are ignoring common sense. Realistically these two characters would not have a successful relationship, IMHO.

[losttime]

About #1: I don't care about Suliet or Skate (why are we making their names start with an S by the way?). I personally have never commented about first loves or anything. The part I find disagreeable is the combination of Sawyer + Juliet for these reasons:


They have nothing in common and their pairing seems quite unlikely and out of character for both.
If they were to hook up, their relationship would be much more difficult and dramatic then it was portrayed to be.
Their relationship developed too quickly for me to buy into it.
I felt their relationship was corny and predictable because I saw it coming and knew they were just throwing it in their to start fighting and then make someone die/break up at the end. This is my biggest complaint because it makes me distrust the people who make Lost. They are throwing stupid garbage in the story for ratings. Do you really expect me not to complain if they pair every single character in the show with every single other character in the show no matter how absurd the combinations are? What's next? Maybe I can expect them to throw in Claire and Hurley and go for a Love hexangle?


Edit: Also about #2, the part I don't understand is when people babble on and on about how this person is perfect for this person and how beautiful their love is and so forth... To those who feel the need to defend Sawyer + Juliet I say maybe you need to escape your own experiences a bit because you may be so desperate to feel some connection that you are ignoring common sense. Realistically these two characters would not have a successful relationship, IMHO.

So what are you trying to say? JK I know you hate the whole love triangle and all the romance. But I do think Sawyer and Juliet had something special. I am not down playing Sawyer and Kate but in the end it was Juliet. I think it is fitting to how things played out and for those who said it was a matter of no one else to pick from I find that hard to believe because there were people coming to the Island via the sub as new recruits and he could have found one of them. It was a matter of a connection

[sun_j]

1.) I think the differance between those who prefer Suliet to Skate is not gender but age and expereince. those who have lived long enough to have and lose the first love, to then find the real deal, totally understand the complexity of the whole experience. the one that got away will ALWAYS always spark a little something. BUT most could not be happier that its over and that they have the one they truly love in a real and deep way.
2.) to those who say they do not understand this thread or the attachment some audience members have to the relationships, well, actually, and "no offense" but take a good look at your life. have you experienced love? if not, go out there and do that. seriously. get dirty, forget social normas and stereotypes. just go grow.
3) ironically, in treatment is one of damon's favorite shows.
4) to whomever said "the producers said juliette will be in 2 epis max." thats a load of crap. ausiello said that. first, tptb are in radio silence until comic-con. second, they do not discuss this type of stuff. they do not allow spoilers based on acter contracts. not until wayyyyyyy after the fact. third, (And i have said this before) at some point last season or end of season 4, tptb needed hawking to come do scenes and she was unavailable. this on the heels of the libby actress refusing to return and eko's actor bailing. so, they contracted all the actors to be available for the sixth season for whatever amount of time they needed so that the end story was not comprimised. everyone except micheal. further, e. mitchell has already been working on both shows, and she said it sucked but it was doable and all during the season where she is lead in both. i do not think that her V job is the reason or an indicator that juliette is dead or that sawyer and juliette will not be together. she may be dead, and they may not end up together, but this is not the indicator.



I so agree with you!!!!this whole story with juliet coming for 2 or 3 episodes is crap..who can tell that for sure??

[Looking4aSensibleEnding]

I so agree with you!!!!this whole story with juliet coming for 2 or 3 episodes is crap..who can tell that for sure??

I really hope you're right. I saw it on Dark's site, it was an interview with Cuse, but 2 eps means dead and maybe a flashback, so I'll hang on to whatever alternate reality is out there.

[sun_j]

hey guys have you checked the petition about juliet not be dead..?it's amazing!!!so many pepople want her on the show!!you can see here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?jltbrk

[losttime]

hey guys have you checked the petition about juliet not be dead..?it's amazing!!!so many pepople want her on the show!!you can see here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?jltbrk

I loved her laugh especially during the bloopers. She has such a great smile as well.

[Jelena]

1.) I think the differance between those who prefer Suliet to Skate is not gender but age and expereince. those who have lived long enough to have and lose the first love, to then find the real deal, totally understand the complexity of the whole experience. the one that got away will ALWAYS always spark a little something. BUT most could not be happier that its over and that they have the one they truly love in a real and deep way.

What you're saying is totally offensive. I have had a lot of experience with love, a lot. I have dedicated my life to finding love (and in the process experienced a whole array of relationships), and your opinion just doesn't make sense. I don't like the Suilet relationship because I don't like the character of Juliet (whereas I feel a connection to Sawyer). That has nothing to do with experience. You should be more careful when making general statements like that, they are:
#1 out of line
#2 offensive
#3 FALSE

P.S. And, the relationship between Sawyer and Kate is far more complex than the one between him and Juliet.

[LissaMarie]

I loved her laugh especially during the bloopers. She has such a great smile as well.

HA!! I agree! She has such a dirty laugh!! It cracked me up.

I like Juliette and I'm hopeful the time jump will present an opportunity for her to survive.

[LissaMarie]

What you're saying is totally offensive. I have had a lot of experience with love, a lot. I have dedicated my life to finding love (and in the process experienced a whole array of relationships), and your opinion just doesn't make sense. I don't like the Suilet relationship because I don't like the character of Juliet (whereas I feel a connection to Sawyer). That has nothing to do with experience. You should be more careful when making general statements like that, they are:
#1 out of line
#2 offensive
#3 FALSE

P.S. And, the relationship between Sawyer and Kate is far more complex than the one between him and Juliet.

It's not offensive for her to express her opinion at all. That's what we're here for! Just because you have a different opinion doesn't mean hers is out of line, offensive or false...just different. :)

[Jelena]

It's not offensive for her to express her opinion at all. That's what we're here for! Just because you have a different opinion doesn't mean hers is out of line, offensive or false...just different. :)

Ok, but it sounded like she said that if you preferred "Skate" then you weren't experienced, and that to me is totally not true. It's not an opinion, but a thesis which she didn't corroborate with any solid evidence. But enough about that. :)

[Don'tWantLostToEndAtS6!!]

Awww I don't want her dead neither so I signed to petition lol.
It's already season 6. Let all the characters survive the last season if they already survived the previous 5. :)

[Looking4aSensibleEnding]

HA!! I agree! She has such a dirty laugh!! It cracked me up.

I like Juliette and I'm hopeful the time jump will present an opportunity for her to survive.

Bloopers?? Where are the bloopers?

[smthng2dowthlost]

on the dvds

[tpbaxter]

hey guys have you checked the petition about juliet not be dead..?it's amazing!!!so many pepople want her on the show!!you can see here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?jltbrk

everyone who signs that petition is an idiot. The majority of those signatures are probably from the same 10 people and most of them are probably morons who are obsessed with Angelina Jolie and still haven't gotten over the movie Gia. (I still haven't seen that movie yet by the way).

Anyway, I think I'm going to start my own Juliette petition titled "please kill the b*tch"

[Jelena]

everyone who signs that petition is an idiot. The majority of those signatures are probably from the same 10 people and most of them are probably morons who are obsessed with Angelina Jolie and still haven't gotten over the movie Gia. (I still haven't seen that movie yet by the way).

Anyway, I think I'm going to start my own Juliette petition titled "please kill the b*tch"

Hahahaha, it's always fun to read your posts, baxter, as is checking out the goat of the day. :D

[RussellEarl3]

I agree with MSSPACEMAN, the delay in Jughead's detonation allowed us to see that it is Juliet that Sawyer really loves. Also with doomsday approaching Kate looks to Jack, not Sawyer. Who loves whom is pretty well sorted out in those final moments.

[losttime]

on the dvds

can also find them on youtube under lost bloopers

[losttime]

everyone who signs that petition is an idiot. The majority of those signatures are probably from the same 10 people and most of them are probably morons who are obsessed with Angelina Jolie and still haven't gotten over the movie Gia. (I still haven't seen that movie yet by the way).

Anyway, I think I'm going to start my own Juliette petition titled "please kill the b*tch"

Seriously Baxter, tells how you really feel. Dont hold back. Dont hold back at all.

[Panda]

Well, to me it seemed that it was Julliette her choice to end her relationship with Sawyer. First she wanted to go off the sub to stop Jack...than she changes her mind..;she says it to Sawyer. And so she wants to help Jack to detonate the bomb.

We get a flashback as well...where her parents telling her that they are going to get divorced.

So she is the one that believes that she and Sawyer are not meant to be together or not meant for each others.
And it is what she believes that makes her to change her mind and go help Jack...and so chose to die.
She has a bit the same attitude as Jack.
They both want it all to end...to undo everything that has already been and lived.

So it is not so important to discuss if Sawyer loved Juliette more than he loved Kate or the other way around.

Juliette is the one that chooses to end it all.
So there is no poor poor Juliette like there is no poor poor Jack.
They both just want to end all of of it or undo it...it is their choice and they are even willing to die....cause they both surely knew that detonating a bomb could kill them....they both went to college....so they both would have known that detonating a H bomb could also end their lives.

So maybe the title should have been....poor poor Sawyer?? Juliette changes her mind...and even Kate....So there is no woman that wants to stay alive with him :D

[mnm4334]

Well, to me it seemed that it was Julliette her choice to end her relationship with Sawyer. First she wanted to go off the sub to stop Jack...than she changes her mind..;she says it to Sawyer. And so she wants to help Jack to detonate the bomb.

We get a flashback as well...where her parents telling her that they are going to get divorced.

So she is the one that believes that she and Sawyer are not meant to be together or not meant for each others.
And it is what she believes that makes her to change her mind and go help Jack...and so chose to die.
She has a bit the same attitude as Jack.
They both want it all to end...to undo everything that has already been and lived.

So it is not so important to discuss if Sawyer loved Juliette more than he loved Kate or the other way around.

Juliette is the one that chooses to end it all.
So there is no poor poor Juliette like there is no poor poor Jack.
They both just want to end all of of it or undo it...it is their choice and they are even willing to die....cause they both surely knew that detonating a bomb could kill them....they both went to college....so they both would have known that detonating a H bomb could also end their lives.

So maybe the title should have been....poor poor Sawyer?? Juliette changes her mind...and even Kate....So there is no woman that wants to stay alive with him :D

lol, so you never say anything you dont mean? She was trying to protect herself from being hurt, she didnt realize how much sawyer loved her until it was too late. that is the very deffinition of tragic and definitely warrants the poor poor juliette title of this thread. It is absurd to surmise that Juliette wanted the relationship to end, she Loves Sawyer and wanted to be with him, but if she couldnt be with him, she would rather never have to live with the loss of the love of her life, and that is the reason she went back, she didnt do it for Jack, she did it for Sawyer.

J "I changed my mind when I saw you look at her...don't, don't, don't..."

S "I don't care who I looked at, I'm with you."

J "and you would stay with me forever, if I let you and that is why I will always love you. What we had was just for a little while and just because we love each other doesnt mean we're meant to be together. Maybe we were never supposed to be together and if Jack can make it so none of you ever come here, he should.

S "Why are you doing this Juliette"

J "(crying) If I never meet you, I never have to lose you."

Juliette loves Sawyer, she didn't leave him, she never chose to end it, her heart was always with him, she was a victim of circumstance, and the world destroying entity known as Ms. Austin. Believe me, Juliette and Sawyer will be together again, in this life or the next.

but yes, poor poor Sawyer would also be an appropriate topic, he finds someone who believes in him, who stands by him and openly loves him, yet because he is human he made a mistake and tilted his head in the wrong direction.

[losttime]

, and the world destroying entity known as Ms. Austin.
.


How is she the "world destroying entity"? Juliet wasnt secure enough in her relationship with Sawyer that she decided to end it. Sawyer is Sawyer. His time on the Island with kate was under more extreme moments and yes he is going to always have something for her. But he was with Juliet and he was a man of his word. I dont recall him walking through the jungle picking flowers for Kate or anything for that matter, but for Juliet he did that. He also had a different look to him than he did when he was with Kate. Back than, he said that she was like him, "Just dont belong" Now he had a sense of belonging in Dharmaville and was quite happy. juliet was perfect for him and he knew it. His conversation with jack telling him to go for Kate showed he didnt want her. He was happy with Juliet.

[Jelena]

Well, to me it seemed that it was Julliette her choice to end her relationship with Sawyer. First she wanted to go off the sub to stop Jack...than she changes her mind..;she says it to Sawyer. And so she wants to help Jack to detonate the bomb.

We get a flashback as well...where her parents telling her that they are going to get divorced.

So she is the one that believes that she and Sawyer are not meant to be together or not meant for each others.
And it is what she believes that makes her to change her mind and go help Jack...and so chose to die.
She has a bit the same attitude as Jack.
They both want it all to end...to undo everything that has already been and lived.

So it is not so important to discuss if Sawyer loved Juliette more than he loved Kate or the other way around.

Juliette is the one that chooses to end it all.
So there is no poor poor Juliette like there is no poor poor Jack.
They both just want to end all of of it or undo it...it is their choice and they are even willing to die....cause they both surely knew that detonating a bomb could kill them....they both went to college....so they both would have known that detonating a H bomb could also end their lives.

So maybe the title should have been....poor poor Sawyer?? Juliette changes her mind...and even Kate....So there is no woman that wants to stay alive with him :D


Wonderfully said. Bravo, Panda! :D

[Panda]

She was trying to protect herself from being hurt, she didnt realize how much sawyer loved her until it was too late. that is the very deffinition of tragic and definitely warrants the poor poor juliette title

How is joining a detonation of a bomb a way to protect yourself from being hurt?
It is like saying that suicide is a way to protect yourself from being hurt.
If she never realized how much she loved Sawyer, or how much she got attached to him, that is her own thing. That is not Sawyers fault, or he is not to blame for that. But realizing that you got attached to someone doesn't have to be a reason to blow up a H bomb. It is only her own way of not feeling secure if Sawyer will choose for her or leave her for another woman, that makes her do what she does. You may say that it is tragic. But she causes her own tragic, by feeling so insecure....and not finding another way to detach herself from Sawyer than blowing up the whole thing.

It is absurd to surmise that Juliette wanted the relationship to end, she Loves Sawyer and wanted to be with him, but if she couldnt be with him, she would rather never have to live with the loss of the love of her life, and that is the reason she went back, she didnt do it for Jack, she did it for Sawyer.

If she didn't want to end the relationship, she just simply could have stayed on the sub with Sawyer. It was not Sawyers idea to go back. She decided that they had to go back with Kate. It is only when she decided to go back with Kate, that Sawyer decided to follow Juliette. Not the other way around.
So she could have stayed on the sub and left the Island together with Sawyer. But for some reason she wanted to join Kate and get involved in the H bomb thing. She could also have decided to chose to continue living of Island somewhere in the seventies together with Sawyer.
Sawyer had that intention. She didn't follow that intention.
So it is her choice to go back to start with, and later to change her mind and decide to go for helping a hand to detonate the H bomb.
She made these choices herself. She made them for herself. Not for Jack nor for Sawyer. She knew what Sawyer wanted...to leave the Island on the sub together with her. No matter what Kate was asking for.
So no poor poor Juliette she chose to go back first and next chose to go for detonating a bomb. It was not Sawyer nor Jack who convinced her to do so. She convinced herself and chose herself. And her choices are inherent to ending the relationship with Sawyer.


J "I changed my mind when I saw you look at her...don't, don't, don't..."

S "I don't care who I looked at, I'm with you."

J "and you would stay with me forever, if I let you and that is why I will always love you. What we had was just for a little while and just because we love each other doesnt mean we're meant to be together. Maybe we were never supposed to be together and if Jack can make it so none of you ever come here, he should.

S "Why are you doing this Juliette"

J "(crying) If I never meet you, I never have to lose you."

How she interprets Sawyer his "look" is her interpretation. It doesn't prove that she would have lost Sawyer if they would simply have left on the sub.

She even says "if I let you". Now she decides that she won't let him. By detonating the bomb it is over. So no choice for Sawyer. She chooses not to let him be with her for as long as he lives.
She believes that she would have lost Sawyer to another woman. And she couldn't stand that Idea. But it is here idea. She believes that they are not meant to be together any longer. She believes that it is better that she had never met him, she believes that the way he "looked" was an indication that she would lose him to Kate or to some other woman one day.
So when she goes for detonating the bomb, it is based on all of her own thoughts and believes.



Juliette loves Sawyer, she didn't leave him, she never chose to end it, her heart was always with him, she was a victim of circumstance, and the world destroying entity known as Ms. Austin. Believe me, Juliette and Sawyer will be together again, in this life or the next.

Her hart was probably with Sawyer yes. But she was not making her choices with her hart. She made up her "mind" and it were her thoughts were she based her choices on.
If you love someone, you can set that one free or detach you from that person. But there are other ways to do so than detonating an H bomb.

If one can't stand the idea that he or she will one day lose someone he or she loves...than maybe it is better to get rid of the idea that you will lose someone than to get rid of that person or which that you never had met that person all by detonating a H bomb.
There is nothing wrong with losing someone you love. It happens in life. But it is no reason to use bombs you know. So she didn't have to make the choice to lose him earlier. If she was sure that she would lose him one day, than there is no reason to hurry it up herself, and blow the relationship up with a H bomb.