Ilana in bad shape when Jacob arrives

[Legomyecko]

Has anyone spoken on this? Where was she? What happened to her? It kinda looked like the same hospital that Widmore visited Locke in when in Tunisia after he moved the island. Thoughts?

[JfromtheD]

Glad you brought this up...
To me, it looked like she had burn injuries. But I haven't re-watched, yet.

My two biggest questions last night were this, and Nadia's "bring me home" comment.

[PhillyBLM]

Glad you brought this up...
To me, it looked like she had burn injuries. But I haven't re-watched, yet.

My two biggest questions last night were this, and Nadia's "bring me home" comment.

i think nadia knew she was gonna die and wanted to be burried back in her homeland

[MrEchoLives]

Yes,Ilana was all messed up ,especially in the face and Jacob fixed her up.

[JfromtheD]

i think nadia knew she was gonna die and wanted to be burried back in her homeland

I'm sure you're probably right... but Lost always has me 'conspiring to conspire a conspiracy.' :D

[Pritesh]

She's from the Black Rock.

You heard it here first. :P

[natego]

She's not from the Black Rock.

If she were she wouldn't have had to ask Richard who he was - she would have known who he was since he was on the Black Rock (presumably)

[5starboss]

Has anyone spoken on this? Where was she? What happened to her? It kinda looked like the same hospital that Widmore visited Locke in when in Tunisia after he moved the island. Thoughts?

If it is the same Tunisian hospital ( i think its the same), why/what is she doing there? It looks like burns to me, but idk what kind???chemical, radiation, thermal, frostbite, who knows???

[ricorose]

the hospital is somewhere in Russia since the nurse speaks russian and Jakob talks russian to Iliana too.
I think her story has nothing to do with Black Rock because of her russian background...

[Paradise Lost]

I think the more important question is WHEN is she in bad shape?

She def looked like she was being treated for a burn of some kind, and a burn that requires hospitalization is usually quite disfiguring. The Ilana we see on the island has no scars or blemishes on her face, which leads me to believe that what we saw was a flash FORWARD.

[ricorose]

True, Paradise!

[notsolost42]

Yes, the hospital was in Russia or Ukraine. From that scene, everyone did get the impression that Ilana already knew Jacob, right? That's what I got from it. She was an agent of his and ready to continue to do his bidding as soon as she could. She did appear to have burns or was beaten in the face very badly. I am leaning towards the beaten in the face. Jacob was calling her into action once again. And that tells us that Ilana, Bram and company are definitly on the side of the Others and the side of good. I can't imagine the Others as bad guys at all.

[notsolost42]

I think the more important question is WHEN is she in bad shape?

She def looked like she was being treated for a burn of some kind, and a burn that requires hospitalization is usually quite disfiguring. The Ilana we see on the island has no scars or blemishes on her face, which leads me to believe that what we saw was a flash FORWARD.

I don't think she had burns on her face. What makes you so sure of that? I thiink it looks more like she was beaten badly about the face. I think the important meaning of the scene was to show that Jacob knows her and had called her to action.

[Paradise Lost]

I don't think she had burns on her face. What makes you so sure of that? I thiink it looks more like she was beaten badly about the face. I think the important meaning of the scene was to show that Jacob knows her and had called her to action.

I'm not SURE, but the evidence suggest that she was. They don't typically bandage somebody's entire face because it's been beaten badly, but that is protocol #1 for a burn victim. The main reason burns are so hard to treat is because the skin that normally protects us from airborne infections isn't there anymore--the bandages act as a temporary skin until scar tissue or skin graphs take its place.

I agree that their conversation is important, but I still think that was a flash forward.

[tpbaxter]

Ilana was getting plastic surgery. you heard it here first.

[ricorose]

I'm going with Paradise: she was burned. When beaten up you don't need your face fully bandaged. This was a flash forward and Iliana was burned by the bomb on the island (not flashing with everybody else).

[Maybelline]

I'm going with Paradise: she was burned. When beaten up you don't need your face fully bandaged. This was a flash forward and Iliana was burned by the bomb on the island (not flashing with everybody else).

But she wasn't near the bomb because she was in 2007 not 1977

[Paradise Lost]

But she wasn't near the bomb because she was in 2007 not 1977

We have yet to see the reason for her injuries...perhaps she receives them in war that will be Season 6.

[ricorose]

true. (and me too excited to grip the story before suffering from waiting for next season...)
nevertheless: she was burned. And Jakobs "I need your help again" was the 2nd indicator for me that this is a flash forward, another job Jakob had for her (after delivering Lockes body).

[Maybelline]

We have yet to see the reason for her injuries...perhaps she receives them in war that will be Season 6.

Yeah, i'm kinda skeptical about that but to each his own ;)

[Maybelline]

true. (and me too excited to grip the story before suffering from waiting for next season...)
nevertheless: she was burned. And Jakobs "I need your help again" was the 2nd indicator for me that this is a flash forward, another job Jakob had for her (after delivering Lockes body).

did he say "again"?

[notsolost42]

did he say "again"?

Yes, he did say again, which is exactly why I am saying that they knew each other and he was calling her to arms again...in other words to go to the island on this mission we are witnessing now. I don't buy that it was a flash forward. What would be the point of it being a flash forward? What would it be proving? We know they are already aquainted with each other and if it is a flash forward and Jacob is calling her to arms, then for what purpose? A flash forward from when? After the war? What, to another war? Maybelline, I can't answer these questions, can you? I think you agree that it is not a flash forward, right?

[Maybelline]

Yes, he did say again, which is exactly why I am saying that they knew each other and he was calling her to arms again...in other words to go to the island on this mission we are witnessing now. I don't buy that it was a flash forward.

Ok, I guessed I missed that and I agree I don't believe it's a flash forward

[tpbaxter]

Ok, I guessed I missed that and I agree I don't believe it's a flash forward

seeing as Jacob is now dead and 'Dead is Dead' a flash forward seems unlikely.

[Maybelline]

seeing as Jacob is now dead and 'Dead is Dead' a flash forward seems unlikely.

Well, considering a smoke monster can take the form of dead people anything can happen. And since Jacob is a God like figure I'm not ruling out a resurrection just yet but maybe that's just wishful thinking.

[notsolost42]

Well, considering a smoke monster can take the form of dead people anything can happen. And since Jacob is a God like figure I'm not ruling out a resurrection just yet but maybe that's just wishful thinking.

Yeah, I don't believe you can kill off all cosmic good! Not likely!

[ricorose]

I rewatched. the hospital looks very 70ies (I do not assume that only because its Russia they would design it that way). might be, that it's only a flashback like the other magic-touch-flashbacks with Jakob.
still: where have Iliana and Jakob met before? We have hints to assume egyptian background on the island, american too, but russian...

[thebecoming]

Yes, the hospital was in Russia or Ukraine. From that scene, everyone did get the impression that Ilana already knew Jacob, right? That's what I got from it. She was an agent of his and ready to continue to do his bidding as soon as she could. She did appear to have burns or was beaten in the face very badly. I am leaning towards the beaten in the face. Jacob was calling her into action once again. And that tells us that Ilana, Bram and company are definitly on the side of the Others and the side of good. I can't imagine the Others as bad guys at all.

Perhaps Jacob knew of Smokie's influence on the Others through Locke's appearance, and knew that Smokie/Locke would try to lead the Others and manipulate them to kill Jacob (as he did with Ben). My guess is that Jacob is calling Ilana to duty to help show Richard, advisor to the Grand Inquisitor (Smokie), that Richard has been deceived by showing him the dead body of Locke. Richard is the advisor to Smokie and also believes that the Others do need a leader rather than free will to keep them safe, however Richard does not share the desire to kill Jacob completely, and does not know that the Locke he is leading is being controlled by Smokie.

By the time Ilana makes it to Richard (to someone who knows the answer to her riddle), it was too late; the deception had already occurred, and Jacob had been banished.

[ricorose]

I like the story of the Grand Inquisitor a lot... but I don't see that Smokie/the New Locke could be the GI since Ben was able to unleash it. The GI is always the one in power, but a tragic figure: deeply concerned about the good of mankind, in the same time opressing mankind and believing that's the best to do because mankind is weak.... Smokie is not in power at all.

[notsolost42]

Perhaps Jacob knew of Smokie's influence on the Others through Locke's appearance, and knew that Smokie/Locke would try to lead the Others and manipulate them to kill Jacob (as he did with Ben). My guess is that Jacob is calling Ilana to duty to help show Richard, advisor to the Grand Inquisitor (Smokie), that Richard has been deceived by showing him the dead body of Locke. Richard is the advisor to Smokie and also believes that the Others do need a leader rather than free will to keep them safe, however Richard does not share the desire to kill Jacob completely, and does not know that the Locke he is leading is being controlled by Smokie.

By the time Ilana makes it to Richard (to someone who knows the answer to her riddle), it was too late; the deception had already occurred, and Jacob had been banished.

I am just looking at it more simply. Ilana and Bram said that they were the good guys. Ben has always said that he and the Others were the good guys. They are all on the same team. I think Jacob is team leader. It is a cosmic game. Jacob and the dark side have been playing this giant cosmic game about mankind and humanity. Jacob believes that even though people are as flawed as they are, they are ultimatly good. The dark side believes that people are greedy, cruel and destroy everthing they touch. They are using eveyone from the Black Rock to the Losties to play their game. The losties are nothing less than the pawns of Jacob in the battle. I wonder what the winner gets? In the movie "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy the bet was a whole buck!

[Jeremy]

She was a fighter in the war over the Holy land.

[thebecoming]

I like the story of the Grand Inquisitor a lot... but I don't see that Smokie/the New Locke could be the GI since Ben was able to unleash it. The GI is always the one in power, but a tragic figure: deeply concerned about the good of mankind, in the same time opressing mankind and believing that's the best to do because mankind is weak.... Smokie is not in power at all.

Or was it all just for show? The GI needs miracles to gain the Others' trust and devotion. Why not let the Others and their leader Ben think they are summoning *him* when in reality the GI is the one in control and is using *them* to further his goals? After all, which entity had the upper hand toward the end of the finale: Jacob, or the GI?

We are learning more about Ben and how his character is based on lies and manipulations, not trust or devotion. When Ben finds out he is being manipulated himself, he breaks down and blames Jacob for his hardships. It was weak.

[5starboss]

true. (and me too excited to grip the story before suffering from waiting for next season...)
nevertheless: she was burned. And Jakobs "I need your help again" was the 2nd indicator for me that this is a flash forward, another job Jakob had for her (after delivering Lockes body).
she also delivered Sayid to the Island, i was thinking that was her job.....but she must have not known who hired her or didn't want to tell Sayid because she said " the family of the guy you killed on the golf course...." ( surley not Jacob's family)
I am just looking at it more simply. Ilana and Bram said that they were the good guys. Ben has always said that he and the Others were the good guys. They are all on the same team. I think Jacob is team leader. It is a cosmic game. Jacob and the dark side have been playing this giant cosmic game about mankind and humanity. Jacob believes that even though people are as flawed as they are, they are ultimatly good. The dark side believes that people are greedy, cruel and destroy everthing they touch. They are using eveyone from the Black Rock to the Losties to play their game. The losties are nothing less than the pawns of Jacob in the battle. I wonder what the winner gets? In the movie "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy the bet was a whole buck!

Believing something Ben says is true......:eek:really? he even said, Lying, its what I do!"

Noone thinks they are on the bad side. Ben wouldn't say, " we're the bad guys Michael". It's certainly not "proof" of who's good and who's bad.

[thebecoming]

I am just looking at it more simply. Ilana and Bram said that they were the good guys. Ben has always said that he and the Others were the good guys. They are all on the same team. I think Jacob is team leader. It is a cosmic game. Jacob and the dark side have been playing this giant cosmic game about mankind and humanity. Jacob believes that even though people are as flawed as they are, they are ultimatly good. The dark side believes that people are greedy, cruel and destroy everthing they touch. They are using eveyone from the Black Rock to the Losties to play their game. The losties are nothing less than the pawns of Jacob in the battle. I wonder what the winner gets? In the movie "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy the bet was a whole buck!

I do think Ben tells the truth every now and again. For instance, I think he honestly believed he was one of the good guys.

However, despite his intentions, we have seen evidence of him being deceived by Smokie/Locke. His judging by Smokie (the GI) was crucial to get him to follow Locke's every word. The pieces finally alligned, and the GI was now able to manipulate one of his followers to kill the very prophet that they all worshiped, which was his goal all along. Mankind doesn't need free will. They just need miracles and stability.

[5starboss]

I do think Ben tells the truth every now and again. For instance, I think he honestly believed he was one of the good guys.

....

that doesn't make it true.

[thebecoming]

that doesn't make it true.

Absolutely, which is why I included my 2nd paragraph, about how Ben was manipulated. His intentions may have been good (or, sort of good), but he was manipulated by Smokie to do the deeds he has done.

[Lost in Lost]

I am just looking at it more simply. Ilana and Bram said that they were the good guys. Ben has always said that he and the Others were the good guys. They are all on the same team. I think Jacob is team leader. It is a cosmic game. Jacob and the dark side have been playing this giant cosmic game about mankind and humanity. Jacob believes that even though people are as flawed as they are, they are ultimatly good. The dark side believes that people are greedy, cruel and destroy everthing they touch. They are using eveyone from the Black Rock to the Losties to play their game. The losties are nothing less than the pawns of Jacob in the battle. I wonder what the winner gets? In the movie "Trading Places" with Eddie Murphy the bet was a whole buck!

You say Ben and Jacob are on the same team but the former is good and the latter is on the dark side. Can you elaborate? And do you really believe Ben, because he always lies.

What line did Jacob use right before Ben stabbed him? Couldn't have Jacob altered fate by smooching Ben's booty?

[Smoke Monsters INC.]

I think Smokie is an entity of it's own. I think Jacob's enemy is separate from Smokie. I think Jacob's enemy can control or rather take on the form of dead people. I also think Jacob's enemy was trapped in the cabin by Jacob.

[notsolost42]

You say Ben and Jacob are on the same team but the former is good and the latter is on the dark side. Can you elaborate? And do you really believe Ben, because he always lies.

What line did Jacob use right before Ben stabbed him? Couldn't have Jacob altered fate by smooching Ben's booty?

No, I said they are on the same team. Jacob is a good guy and so is Ben. You may have misunderstood or I wasn't clear, in which case I apologise. Right before Ben stabbed Jacob, Jacob told him he had free will. He had the choice of walking out the door or doing the deed.

[Panda]

. Right before Ben stabbed Jacob, Jacob told him he had free will. He had the choice of walking out the door or doing the deed.

Well in fact Ben had allways a free will. He didn't have to kill Locke either. He dind't have to let his daughter get killed by Keamy. He didn't have to shoot on Desmond, he didn't have to lie to anyone....it has always been his choice....even if he said sometime"s "Jacob told me to do it"...or Richard told me that Jacob told him that I had to do this.....He has a free will but he never used it....He never felt responsible for what he did....It was always the Island, or Jacob, or Richard....
And even now...he obeys like what a so called smoke monster in the form of his daughter told him to do.....Do whatever Locke asks him.
So once again he doesn't take responsibility for what will come, he will take the orders of the Locke he sees without questioning it.
He lives like as if "outside" powers make him do things, as is if he has no choice...but that is because of his own beliefs and his own way of thinking.
And one that always lay the reasons for his behavior and actions outside of himself....is good?
What about those people that go killing and say that they hear the voice of God, or Allah in their head and that they had to do it. That they had no choice?
Good?
Ben acts just like those people. Not feeling the strength to decide for himself if he should kill or not, and if it makes sense to kill or do things for Jacob, or Locke or who-ever.

[smthng2dowthlost]

Just a thought on Ilana kinda off topic but if she's russian I know another other thats russian patchy's crazy ass do you think they are connected somehow or it's just a coinsidence. No evidence or anything just all the russian talk on this thread made me think about it.

[notsolost42]

Just a thought on Ilana kinda off topic but if she's russian I know another other thats russian patchy's crazy ass do you think they are connected somehow or it's just a coinsidence. No evidence or anything just all the russian talk on this thread made me think about it.

Not far feched at all. Mikhail spoke russian, as did Bea Klugh. They were both Others. Ilana speaks russian....Ther is definitly a russian connection mixed into this as we saw that Ben had Sayid kill a man in russia. Jacob speaks all languages I will assume for the moment.

[HawkINHawaii]

Jacob believes that even though people are as flawed as they are, they are ultimatly good.

I like this...Jacob does not try to hard to convince Hurley to go back, he wants him to make the decision on his own and has faith hurley will make the right decision. He also has a similar dialogue with Ben. "You have a choice Ben"

[Panda]

I like this...Jacob does not try to hard to convince Hurley to go back, he wants him to make the decision on his own and has faith hurley will make the right decision. He also has a similar dialogue with Ben. "You have a choice Ben"

Than why is hiding all the time in that place? And why does he not show himself to other people? If he has faith and believes that people are ultimatly good than I don't understand why he is hiding all the time....and why he only wants to speak with Richard or the so called leader.....

[LoobyLoo]

I think Smokie is an entity of it's own. I think Jacob's enemy is separate from Smokie. I think Jacob's enemy can control or rather take on the form of dead people. I also think Jacob's enemy was trapped in the cabin by Jacob.

That's just the conclusion I came to in another thread, and I think that Smokie was either placed on guard to keep him in or to protect him from Jacob. The ash circle was broken allowing Jacob's enemy to escape from the cabin and start the chain of events that we have been watching.

[Kendall_lost]

what i want to know is...Who are these people? they came there for a reason.

[notsolost42]

I like this...Jacob does not try to hard to convince Hurley to go back, he wants him to make the decision on his own and has faith hurley will make the right decision. He also has a similar dialogue with Ben. "You have a choice Ben"

Exactly!!!!!!!!!