Another bad decision by Locke?

[hunter8768]

Locke has a history of making the wrong decision. Thats how he ended up paralyzed. Anyway, from what we learned from Hurley last night it seems that he made another bad decision to return to the Dharma barracks. If you think about it, it makes since to NOT return to the barracks.

If the people from the freighter were there to find the Dharma folks then the last place you would want to be is at the Dharma camp. It appears that Locke's decision to return there is a bad one. The only problem is that the Lostees don't know the history behind Ben and the others and don't realize it's a bad decision.

[t33h33]

Locke knows best,

[hunter8768]

Locke's life is full of bad decisions.

I would not follow him to lunch let alone to someplace that is supposidly safe.

[BrothaDezzy]

Thats a good theory, I never thought about that. Now the losties are going to look like the hostiles.

[GriffinCloverfield]

Locke has made some horrible desicion, some leaving him in a wheel chair and with a stolen kidney, but there must be something to his latest desicon to lead the Lost people away from the freighter people. I would not go with jack becuase of what Charlie wrote on his hand. And yet I would hesistate to go with Locke to the bunkers because the frieghter people would look there first......On the other hand BEN said he would rather go with Locke, so I would imagine he knows more about the situation (people coming to the island).

To sum it up I fully do not trust anyone, but thats what makes it wickedly intriguing.

[Dzbabykel]

I think Locke knows more about whats going on than what he's putting on because no one has let him explain himself. Also Ben knows a lot too and the only reason I even remotely believe Ben is because he told Rossieu (sorry can't spell her name) to take their daughter far away from here. Ben may be a bad guy but he does love his daughter and so I think these freighter people might really be bad after all. And I DO know that Locke does have everyone's best interest in mind.

[hunter8768]

Yeah, Locke may have everyones best interest in mind but he also doesn't want to leave either. He'll do anything to stay there.

We know it was a bad decission because of the conversation Hurley had with Jack at the Mental Hospital. Hurley said that it was a bad decission to go with Locke. He said it as Jack was leaving the Gym.

Keep in mind that Ben went with Locke for what ever reason. If Ben was following orders from Jacob that makes since why he went with them. Keep in mind that both Locke and Ben are listening to Jacob so is it really a surprise why Ben went with Locke. I mean, if Jacob told both of them the same thing then you can expect them to do the same thing.

I just wonder what will happen to them at the camp and what made following Locke the bad decision?

[pantags]

Locke has a history of making the wrong decision. Thats how he ended up paralyzed. Anyway, from what we learned from Hurley last night it seems that he made another bad decision to return to the Dharma barracks. If you think about it, it makes since to NOT return to the barracks.

If the people from the freighter were there to find the Dharma folks then the last place you would want to be is at the Dharma camp. It appears that Locke's decision to return there is a bad one. The only problem is that the Lostees don't know the history behind Ben and the others and don't realize it's a bad decision.

I dont think we should assume that the people on the boat work for Dharma because if they did, wouldnt they know how to get to the island and not need a fix on the satellite phone in order to do so. I mean Dharma has been dropping supplies on the island so i assume they can fly a helicopter over the island.

[aZiXx]

I dont think we should assume that the people on the boat work for Dharma because if they did, wouldnt they know how to get to the island and not need a fix on the satellite phone in order to do so. I mean Dharma has been dropping supplies on the island so i assume they can fly a helicopter over the island.

That's a good point. But they are interested in the island though.

About Lock. Yes he has made bad decisions. And he probably will in the next 47 episodes over the next three years. He is a good person. A great person. He is naive sometimes, and is foolish for trusting the wrong people. Is Lock the man? Hell yeah. He has everyones safety in mind, even Jack who tried to kill him. Booo Jack, no longer my #2 fav heheh. John can't kill anyone, he's too good of a person. Even if something will happen at the barracks, I still believe John is the right person to follow, and I would follow him because he has the best understanding of the island compared to anyone while having honesty and caring for others above most of the people. Ben might know more about the island, but no way is he honest or caring about the others.

Hurleys statement about having made a mistake by following John... well hes right, because John wants to stay and Hurley wants to leave, so for him Johns decisions to keep people on the island are not the right ones. We'll have to wait and see how he screwed up again :) . Awesome show. Lock rocks.

[coldandevell]

Did Hurley actually say it was "a mistake" or did he just apologize to jack for going with Locke??? i cannot remember the exact dialogue now but my impression was he just apologized to jack because Hurley would feel bad for hurting anyone's feelings and before that Jack was basically "the leader". So he was feeling bad that he left Jack.

I don't think Locke is a bad guy at all. I think there is something about the Island that is meant to bring these people face to face with their inner demons and make them better people. When he tells jack it is not "time" to leave yet, it seems to me to be more in the sense of you are not ready, you are not done yet. Not don't ever leave. I think Locke is attuned with the spiritual side of the island Perhaps ben was at one time too but his jealousy and power hunger (courtesy of his dad's neglect and abuse) have made him insane. Or perhaps there is MORE to Ben's story. After all this is Lost, lol, but i see Ben as feeling Locke is taking over the communications with the spiritual side of the island (jacob?) and ben is very jealous hence he tried to kill Locke. Or did ben shoot Locke and push him in the pit in order to make him renew his faith in himself and the island. Dang I just don't know.

I think the freighter people are a group that have been seeking out the Dharma initiative and hanso and their experiments for reasons i have yet to know.

Nd those are my theories lol

[aZiXx]

"I'm sorry I went with Locke... I should have stayed with you"

Yeah I paraphrased it in my mind to mean he made a mistake by following Locke. My bad. But it's true Hurley could just be saying that apology cause he feels bad for not following Jack the leader. I still put all my chips on John.


And also, Hurley says "I don't think we did the right thing Jack... I think it wants us to come back". So maybe the reason they left was because the island let them? They were given a choice... and now Hurley is regretting it, and soon Jack will too (S3 ender).

Good points about it not being time to leave, everyone has a path they need to walk and they need to complete it before they should leave the island. Jack can't hear anything about the island though, he just denies it all and acts like John is wacko... sad Jacko :( Only realizes it when its too late?

Ben shot Locke because he was jealous Locke could hear the Jacob entity. Stealing his authority, his ability to comprehend Jacob ("Jacob only talks to me"). John was a threat to Bens continued control over the rest of them. Everyone of the others liked John, for his specialness in being able to walk, and then with hearing Jacob, he would be stealing the thunder from Ben... manipulative control freak.

[coldandevell]

oh I think ben is a wacko too at this point and I especially think he has issues with Locke out of jealousy but the way this show twists and turns you just never know what you are going to find out about anyone so i can't help but feel like Ben has more to be revealed. Like as we find out more about Dharma or the freighties or something Ben will make more sense and we will understand him more. Or not lol.

And that is right where the people who make the show want us. They are terrific at revealing five feet of the road and giving you one perception and then when the light is shown on the next five the perception is something unexpected and completely different.

[InLikeFlynn]

It is obvious the newcomers (aka rescuers) are not the good guys so stepping out until they have a clearer picture of what they are up against is the smart move. If the **** hits the fan, I would rather be with John, Said, and Sawyer than Mr too trusting Jack and a bunch of unarmed castaways.

[meesterperfect]

Ok, Hurley said to Jack " I'm sorry I went with Locke, I should have stayed with you".
An apology because he thinks that Jack feels betrayed by him? Or perhaps because in retrospect he now knows that it was a bad decision?
I think we have no way to know at this point, but the fact that Hurley and Jack were seperated and yet both are part of The Oceanic Six tells me that some serious **** went down that we have yet to see.

[ilnino]

I also think its possible that Jack gets captured (by these frieghter people) and something happens to him that makes hurley feel guilty for leaving him.
as they left him they couldnt help.
something like that anyway.

[bunnydixon]

johns instincts are pretty poor but do you think that he feels they may have changed as the island healed him pyschically and so has also healed him mentally? or maybe all those decisions he made in his past were going against his initial instincts so now he is sticking with them?

[hunter8768]

I know I started this thread by asking "why would you trust Locke?" But in all honesty, if I were on the island and faced with the decision to stay in the jungle with Jack or go to the coushy confines of Dharma Land with Locke, I'd go with Locke too. Regaurdless of Lockes previous bad decisions. It just seems like the better place to be.

I do beleive locke is the nicest guy there and has everyone's best interest in mind when he does what he does. I just have to doubt that its a wise decision to do so.

As for the Oceanic 6 going back, I see them deciding to go back but they have to go back as a group and not individuals. It seems that kate might be the only holdout so far. We know that Hurley and Jack want to be back butit seems Kate's life has changed for the better. Who knows, I guess we will find out soon.

[Rosebot]

I think Locke knows more about whats going on than what he's putting on because no one has let him explain himself. Also Ben knows a lot too and the only reason I even remotely believe Ben is because he told Rossieu (sorry can't spell her name) to take their daughter far away from here. Ben may be a bad guy but he does love his daughter and so I think these freighter people might really be bad after all. And I DO know that Locke does have everyone's best interest in mind.

I agree with you in the first instance! Locke is a potenital saviour, he does know more than he lets on. But with regards to Ben I wouldnt trust him as far as I could through him :mad:
But anyway want I really wanted to say was that, is Alex definately Bens daughter, I know he's said so. But I thought Rousseau was already pregnant when she got on the island.
Can anyone shed any light on this??

[hunter8768]

No, Alex is not Ben's daughter. He & the others took her from Rouseau when she was born.

In episode 1 of S4, Ben tells Rouseau to "take my daughter as far away from here as you can" or something like that and Rousseau wacks him good and says that she is her daughter, not his! BTW, Ben was still tied to the tree when she wacked him.

[james220]

When Locke raised his shirt and showed the entry and exit of the gunshot wound, I would have expected to see a surgery scar. Did I miss it? Regardless, I thought it was a cool twist that he'd be dead if he still had his kidney.

[Robo42]

I'm with team Locke, But I definitely want my own gun as I know we will have to use it. Sure Hurley apologizes to Jack, but also admits it was a mistake to leave. I agree Locke does not want to leave the island, at least not yet, but i also think he knows alot more than he is letting on. I think if they are going to be rescued, then he knows when the time and circumstances are best. I'm also going team Locke because of Charlie , Claire , Aaron, Sawyer, and I think Desmond.

[Turnip Queen]

The scary thing about being with Locke is that you'd be pretty sure he'd recover miraculously from whatever mistake he's made, but you wouldn't be quite as sure that you or the people around you would survive! Look at Boone! But Jack has really gone down in my opinion, does anybody else really dislike him at the moment? I mean he went to kill Locke! He actually fired the gun with intent to kill! He and Locke are such great characters, you wouldn't know who the hell to go with cos they both make big mistakes. I was surprised that Rose was so against going with Locke considering she doesn't want to leave the island...

[Robo42]

Excellent points, esp with Rose. One eye always open and gun in hand, but begrudginly with Locke

[Turnip Queen]

I suppose it'd depend on how much you were in the loop in the gang on the island too - nobody exactly tells anyone that much, so realistically if you were there and rescue seemed to finally be coming and you'd have just seen Jack helping everyone and having the doctor title, you'd probably go with him, unless Locke had had a one on one with you himself. If you didn't know them very well you'd imagine Jack to be the safer one as a doctor and just see Locke in the background throwing knives HAHAHA.
I think I'd probably end up running one way, then running back, and then end up in Jacob's cabin!

I can also see someone like Bernard or Rose dying this season along with another main character as a big shock. But it could be Ben, seeing as he's most likely the one in the coffin, but I hope it's not him!

[Robo42]

If I were there, I'd say to myself, "F@*! this, I'm heading back to the beach, making some mango jungle juice, eating a coconut, watching the sunset , taking a nap, and Oh Yeah if you wanna come back too Kate i'll help solve your problems damn it!!!LOL

[lilsev42]

I believe Locke is a good guy and knows more than he is letting on about.Like he told Jack when he made the call .He said "Jack your not suppose to do this."That is the same exact phrase the woman at the jewlery store told Desmond about him buying the ring.Maybe hurley told Jack that ,because now hurley knows that Locke had his own motives not to be found,no matter who it was.Hurley thought Locke wanted to be safe and still get off the island.We all know that not to be true.LOCKE IS STILL GOOD TO GO IN MY BOOK.IF,it was me and I was in his shoes I would try to stay on the island and not be in a wheelchair and try to learn as much as I could.The island is better than vegas or amsterdam.You can't buy a ticket back.Enjoy it while you are there.

[Robo42]

Great post lilsev, and i forgot about the ring and Desmond. There seems to be a big wedding ring theme going on. Des and the ring, Sun loses hers for awhile, Jack left his in his sock draw back home, now the pilot and his ring, and doesn't charlie give aaron a ring? and is it not true the ring represents the cycle of life. Maybe we need to start asking who does not have one? What do you think?

[Barbecue_Bod]

ooh this thread is great but Im reading it with double vision as just got back from the pub :) Will check again in the morning without my beer goggles on lol

[hollie425]

yea i also think locke has everyones best interest at mind. sure hes made some bad decisions before, but i think he is doing wats best for the losties. i think he made a right desision though to bring ppl to the barroks, to get away from the frater ppl. cus them fraties, baddd ppl. i mean cmon.. rescuing them is not ther primary objective?? thats for ****.

[tracey1]

i agree locke rocks. i think locke has chosen to stay on the island because he thinks it is his destiny too.Yes locke has bad some bad decisions in the past, however he seems to know the island better than anyone else apart from ben.
Why did Hurley say it was a mistake going with locke yes it could of been because locke wanted to stay or is it because something else happened to locke and the others.