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05-15-2009, 12:54 AM
So first off, a pretty good season overall, had its ups had its downs but ended in super awesome fashion.
I personally am a believer that smokey is anti-jacob (and from here on out will assume that as truth) and that the loop that they describe has something to do with a very basic good versus evil human nature argument where people come to the island and they try and keep the "good guys" to protect it. however, at some point it all needs to end. the good versus evil, black versus white has been a theme on the show for a while and jacobs and anti-jacobs clothing and hair was too perfect for it not to be a reference to this black and white theme.
So one thing that had me thinking for a while was why Sun did not go back in time like the others. It seems that as the plane either the final turn of the donkey wheel happened as their plane was crashing (only problem is then that should put them in '74 not '77 so who knows) or they just flashed back for some reason we'll find out later. To me there are two possibilities to why Sun did not flash back; 1. Locke did not visit her, maybe for some reason him visiting the other 4 allowed them to be joined to the time travel crazyness. the second (and now it looks like more likely) possibility is that when jacob visited them he somehow directed them in the right manner by touching them so they would end up in the right places. if Sun and Jin are together they wont have the motivation to do what they need to do.
So we have known for a while that smokey inhabits dead people and it seems hes got a thing for dead people that show up in airplanes. This is the reason that jacob had the others burn their dead and the buried dead seems to be fair game for smokey. therefore it is interesting that Locke/Smokey pushed jacob into the fire when this takes away his ability to take over the body.
As well with jacob, i believe that he may get the last laugh in his death. similar to dumbledore/gandalf/obi-wan kenobi, it seems the wise old man always has to die in order to enable the destruction of his evil counterpart. He talks about how the end is all that matters and everything before is progress, I think his hand picking of the 815'ers was his way of enabling the end of the loop and we will find that his death was something both necessary and welcomed.
along these lines i believe that jacob and smokey had somehow developed rules between them for how they interacted with people who came to the island. i believe that smokey cannot harm people who are good in their heart or feel remorse, its part of the rules and is why smokey first could not then could attack eko, it is why it did not kill locke and it is why it could not kill jacob. the island is all about giving people choices and jacob and smokey are required to give people a choice. jacob believes they will choose good, smokey believes the opposite. this is why jacob tells ben he has a choice. in telling ben he has a choice he enables his own death (the end of the loop and the point where things begin to truly matter) which he had been bringing about for a long time with his treatment of ben and bringing the 815'ers to the island. everyone on the show is there for a reason and Ben's reason was to kill jacob, the tricky thing is that this was enabled by jacob, not smokey. Jacob found the loophole. and now we find ourselves at the ending that matters.
also Locke being smokey fixed the potential problem of a locke time loop. it wasnt locke that told locke that he needed to die thus killing locke and so on. it was smokey (an entity that it seems, with jacob might be free from normal time constraints). therefore smokey told locke he needed to die so no loop, the compass is in a loop but who cares.
finally i was a believer in the theory that the whole show will end with jack going back to the beginning and waking up in the jungle. (someone explained it on the forum a while a go. there's a lot of evidence that this happens from the pilot episode, and other things). now it may seem that that is what would have happened. but the end of jacob and this little bomb change everything.
long post. sorry. if you read it, thank you, it was my first one.
I personally am a believer that smokey is anti-jacob (and from here on out will assume that as truth) and that the loop that they describe has something to do with a very basic good versus evil human nature argument where people come to the island and they try and keep the "good guys" to protect it. however, at some point it all needs to end. the good versus evil, black versus white has been a theme on the show for a while and jacobs and anti-jacobs clothing and hair was too perfect for it not to be a reference to this black and white theme.
So one thing that had me thinking for a while was why Sun did not go back in time like the others. It seems that as the plane either the final turn of the donkey wheel happened as their plane was crashing (only problem is then that should put them in '74 not '77 so who knows) or they just flashed back for some reason we'll find out later. To me there are two possibilities to why Sun did not flash back; 1. Locke did not visit her, maybe for some reason him visiting the other 4 allowed them to be joined to the time travel crazyness. the second (and now it looks like more likely) possibility is that when jacob visited them he somehow directed them in the right manner by touching them so they would end up in the right places. if Sun and Jin are together they wont have the motivation to do what they need to do.
So we have known for a while that smokey inhabits dead people and it seems hes got a thing for dead people that show up in airplanes. This is the reason that jacob had the others burn their dead and the buried dead seems to be fair game for smokey. therefore it is interesting that Locke/Smokey pushed jacob into the fire when this takes away his ability to take over the body.
As well with jacob, i believe that he may get the last laugh in his death. similar to dumbledore/gandalf/obi-wan kenobi, it seems the wise old man always has to die in order to enable the destruction of his evil counterpart. He talks about how the end is all that matters and everything before is progress, I think his hand picking of the 815'ers was his way of enabling the end of the loop and we will find that his death was something both necessary and welcomed.
along these lines i believe that jacob and smokey had somehow developed rules between them for how they interacted with people who came to the island. i believe that smokey cannot harm people who are good in their heart or feel remorse, its part of the rules and is why smokey first could not then could attack eko, it is why it did not kill locke and it is why it could not kill jacob. the island is all about giving people choices and jacob and smokey are required to give people a choice. jacob believes they will choose good, smokey believes the opposite. this is why jacob tells ben he has a choice. in telling ben he has a choice he enables his own death (the end of the loop and the point where things begin to truly matter) which he had been bringing about for a long time with his treatment of ben and bringing the 815'ers to the island. everyone on the show is there for a reason and Ben's reason was to kill jacob, the tricky thing is that this was enabled by jacob, not smokey. Jacob found the loophole. and now we find ourselves at the ending that matters.
also Locke being smokey fixed the potential problem of a locke time loop. it wasnt locke that told locke that he needed to die thus killing locke and so on. it was smokey (an entity that it seems, with jacob might be free from normal time constraints). therefore smokey told locke he needed to die so no loop, the compass is in a loop but who cares.
finally i was a believer in the theory that the whole show will end with jack going back to the beginning and waking up in the jungle. (someone explained it on the forum a while a go. there's a lot of evidence that this happens from the pilot episode, and other things). now it may seem that that is what would have happened. but the end of jacob and this little bomb change everything.
long post. sorry. if you read it, thank you, it was my first one.