Two Worlds....

[notsolost42]

There has been so much incontrivertible evidence that there are two worlds that we are and have been watching since the very beginning of LOST and I just wanted to add one more piece of evidence for the record.

The first time we saw inside Jacob's cabin we got to see many of the objects and artwork. One piece of artwork stood out...the painting of the dog behind Jacob's rocking chair.

When Ilana returned with Bram looking for Jacob we saw the cabin was empty. It was bare and had nothing in it anymore accept for Jacob's knife, the piece of cloth, one table or something similar and the painting of the dog.

The first question everyone should be asking is where did all the stuff go? But aside from that, I want to show you all that the painting was quite different this past time than it was the first time. Take a look at the screencaps below. One dog is clearly sitting. That was the painting from the first time we saw the cabin. The other dog is obviously lying down. That was from Ilana's visit.

The painting was shown to us for a reason. The camera lingered on it for this very reason...to get our attention and show us that it was indeed, different from the first painting.

[smthng2dowthlost]

I might be tripping but they kinda look the same to me like in the arm and angle he is facing I can't see the dark ones back so I can't really tell if it's sitting or lying down. the hair spike things on the arm seem to match up to me.

[notsolost42]

I might be tripping but they kinda look the same to me like in the arm and angle he is facing I can't see the dark ones back so I can't really tell if it's sitting or lying down.

Well, look at it this way. The first painting is definitly taller than it is wider. The second painting is definitly wider than it is tall. The first dog is sitting and the second is lying down.

[MrEchoLives]

the dark one is really kinda hard to see, but from what i see, they do kinda look the same. I dont really see a difference.
I dont really think we are seeing 2 different worlds.
I think we see the same scene in the show and it has different words or phrases or slight movements,not because it is a different world then the one we saw before, but because there is so much activity in the past going on that it changes smalll details of what the happened in the present. Even if it was just different wording of saying the same thing

[smthng2dowthlost]

Someone else was using it so maybe they just got ride of all jacobs stuff but left the map and knife in the wall, that wouldn't make sense that is weird I don't know about that one. BUt for the paintings the dog looks like it's swimming not lying or sitting to me anyways that one dark the back half is pretty hard to make out.

[smthng2dowthlost]

To me the size is more of the camera the bright one is straight on and the dark one is kinda from the an angle looking to the left other than that I'm not sure about the different sizes maybe your right .

[notsolost42]

the dark one is really kinda hard to see, but from what i see, they do kinda look the same. I dont really see a difference.
I dont really think we are seeing 2 different worlds.
I think we see the same scene in the show and it has different words or phrases or slight movements,not because it is a different world then the one we saw before, but because there is so much activity in the past going on that it changes smalll details of what the happened in the present. Even if it was just different wording of saying the same thing

Someone else was using it so maybe they just got ride of all jacobs stuff but left the map and knife in the wall, that wouldn't make sense that is weird I don't know about that one. BUt for the paintings the dog looks like it's swimming not lying or sitting to me anyways that one dark the back half is pretty hard to make out.

So, you both are honestly saying that you do not see the first painting is taller and the second painting is wider? Not to mention they are in different frames! Oh come on!!!! They are two different paintings!!!! Boy, if you all don't get a grip, you are really gonna hate the ending of LOST! lol.

[Desmonds Ship]

Well, look at it this way. The first painting is definitly taller than it is wider. The second painting is definitly wider than it is tall. The first dog is sitting and the second is lying down.

Sorry, I don't see a difference either. In the darker one the right side of the picture is invisible in the dark and the angle of viewing makes it look narrower I think too.

[notsolost42]

Sorry, I don't see a difference either. In the darker one the right side of the picture is invisible in the dark and the angle of viewing makes it look narrower I think too.

And does that explain two different frames???? I think not! They are, without a shadow of a doubt, two different paintings! Sheeesh!!!!!!

[MrEchoLives]

One picture of the painting is clear and easy to see, the other is very dark with one narrow strip of light to judge. By looking at what can be seen, i just dont see a difference.

[notsolost42]

One picture of the painting is clear and easy to see, the other is very dark with one narrow strip of light to judge. By looking at what can be seen, i just dont see a difference.

Look at the picture frames. The second picture is easy to see. The frame is obviously flat, right? Now, look at the first picture. You can see that the frame is curved or beveled. It is not flat. They are different!

[smthng2dowthlost]

So, you both are honestly saying that you do not see the first painting is taller and the second painting is wider? Not to mention they are in different frames! Oh come on!!!! They are two different paintings!!!! Boy, if you all don't get a grip, you are really gonna hate the ending of LOST! lol.

I don't think they are different paintings but I am starting to think I will be unhappy with the ending.

[notsolost42]

I don't think they are different paintings but I am starting to think I will be unhappy with the ending.

And...if it is two worlds, and I think so, then the loophole may really be a loop hole. A big difference. If the two worlds are interconnected, say like an infinity sign or a sideways number eight, and one world acts on the other and there is two of everything, suppose the loop hole is why there are two John Locke's in one place now? In one world? The two worlds are now out of balance.

[thebecoming]

Gonna also agree and say the difference (if any?) is negligible. If the difference requires us to analyze screenshots side by side and most of us can't see the difference, how many of the less-fervent Lost viewers are going to see it?

I'm also going to disagree with there being "incontrovertible evidence" for multiple worlds. Most of the examples we've seen are just too obscure for anyone to pick up, and are likely simple production errors.

[notsolost42]

Gonna also agree and say the difference (if any?) is negligible. If the difference requires us to analyze screenshots side by side and most of us can't see the difference, how many of the less-fervent Lost viewers are going to see it?

I'm also going to disagree with there being "incontrovertible evidence" for multiple worlds. Most of the examples we've seen are just too obscure for anyone to pick up, and are likely simple production errors.

Oh please!!! Give me a break!!!! Here's an example:

When we first meet Miles and he goes to the older woman's house in LA to rid the house of the spirit, when Miles goes up the stairs all of the photographs on the wall are in dark frames....very dark wooden frames. It is quite obvious. Then, when Miles comes back down the stairs after ridding the house of the spirit, all of the photographs are now in light and white frames with white matting around the photos. So, that's a production error? I don't think so.

Next, when Eloise Hawking is having lunch with her newly graduated son from Oxford, Dan, and they are sitting at the table, her wine glass has a little bunny rabbit sitting in it. Why? Hmmm, a subtle clue about going down the rabbit hole to a mirror world, as in Alice Through the Looking Glass? Ah, YES! Check it out. Those are just two of hundreds of examples.

Just because the examples have been subtle and not everyone has seen them does not mean they don't exist. I've never seen a million dollars either but I am sure it exists!!!!

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Gonna also agree and say the difference (if any?) is negligible. If the difference requires us to analyze screenshots side by side and most of us can't see the difference, how many of the less-fervent Lost viewers are going to see it?

I'm also going to disagree with there being "incontrovertible evidence" for multiple worlds. Most of the examples we've seen are just too obscure for anyone to pick up, and are likely simple production errors.

Oh please!!! Give me a break!!!! Here's an example:

When we first meet Miles and he goes to the older woman's house in LA to rid the house of the spirit, when Miles goes up the stairs all of the photographs on the wall are in dark frames....very dark wooden frames. It is quite obvious. Then, when Miles comes back down the stairs after ridding the house of the spirit, all of the photographs are now in light and white frames with white matting around the photos. So, that's a production error? I don't think so.

Next, when Eloise Hawking is having lunch with her newly graduated son from Oxford, Dan, and they are sitting at the table, her wine glass has a little bunny rabbit sitting in it. Why? Hmmm, a subtle clue about going down the rabbit hole to a mirror world, as in Alice Through the Looking Glass? Ah, YES! Check it out. Those are just two of hundreds of examples.

Just because the examples have been subtle and not everyone has seen them does not mean they don't exist. I've never seen a million dollars either but I am sure it exists!!!!

I have to agree 100 % with NotSo on this.
And sometimes it takes pointing out by someone before our brains will accept that we weren't imagining it.:cool:

[MrEchoLives]

[QUOTE=notsolost42;228295]

I have to agree 100 % with NotSo on this.
And sometimes it takes pointing out by someone before our brains will accept that we weren't imagining it.:cool:

I think most people would agree that they have seen slight differences in some minor details and words... I dont think they are production errors.They are purposeful...But i dont believe that is due to there being 2 different worlds..

[rock-lobster]

Oh please!!! Give me a break!!!! Here's an example:

When we first meet Miles and he goes to the older woman's house in LA to rid the house of the spirit, when Miles goes up the stairs all of the photographs on the wall are in dark frames....very dark wooden frames. It is quite obvious. Then, when Miles comes back down the stairs after ridding the house of the spirit, all of the photographs are now in light and white frames with white matting around the photos. So, that's a production error? I don't think so.

Next, when Eloise Hawking is having lunch with her newly graduated son from Oxford, Dan, and they are sitting at the table, her wine glass has a little bunny rabbit sitting in it. Why? Hmmm, a subtle clue about going down the rabbit hole to a mirror world, as in Alice Through the Looking Glass? Ah, YES! Check it out. Those are just two of hundreds of examples.

Just because the examples have been subtle and not everyone has seen them does not mean they don't exist. I've never seen a million dollars either but I am sure it exists!!!!

although i also don't see much of a difference in the dog pictures, i agree with this.

the "production errors" on the show lately seem too easy to not mess up. in that example, how is it possible that they wouldn't just re-use the exact same props if they weren't trying to mean something by it?

it seems weird for them to say: "okay, for this next scene, take the pictures out of their frames and then back in... oh no, i was just watching the scene, and it looks like we replaced the frames with different ones by accident" :confused:

and then there's things like the "NAMASTE" backwards on one of charles widmore's paintings in his office:

http://lost.cubit.net/assets_c/2008/01/3x08namastepainting-thumb-470x264.jpg

[notsolost42]

although i also don't see much of a difference in the dog pictures, i agree with this.

the "production errors" on the show lately seem too easy to not mess up. in that example, how is it possible that they wouldn't just re-use the exact same props if they weren't trying to mean something by it?

it seems weird for them to say: "okay, for this next scene, take the pictures out of their frames and then back in... oh no, i was just watching the scene, and it looks like we replaced the frames with different ones by accident" :confused:

and then there's things like the "NAMASTE" backwards on one of charles widmore's paintings in his office:

http://lost.cubit.net/assets_c/2008/01/3x08namastepainting-thumb-470x264.jpg

There are literally hundreds of examples. I like the backwards bookcase in the Swan. They did the same thing on the Orchid video with the two bunnies. The shelves in the background changed. Rather, the objects on the shelves changed and some changed places.

[rachelskid]

i have to say, they look the same to me too. i've clicked back and forth a bunch of times.
i do agree though that they lingered on that pic of dog in illan scene for a minute, that usually means something. And, i could be mistaken, but i thought she even shivered at the sight of it.
i hear a lot of people say incontravertible evidence of two worlds a lot too. in posts here and in various podcasts. i have not seen it all in one place though. is it all the "continuity errors" that are evidence of two worlds? it could be two worlds, i don't disagree, i just wonder what all this proof is.

[notsolost42]

i have to say, they look the same to me too. i've clicked back and forth a bunch of times.
i do agree though that they lingered on that pic of dog in illan scene for a minute, that usually means something. And, i could be mistaken, but i thought she even shivered at the sight of it.
i hear a lot of people say incontravertible evidence of two worlds a lot too. in posts here and in various podcasts. i have not seen it all in one place though. is it all the "continuity errors" that are evidence of two worlds? it could be two worlds, i don't disagree, i just wonder what all this proof is.

Well, yes, that is a big part of it. For me, the other part that points to this is the physics and what was in Dan's journal. There are threads you can go back and read about that stuff. But, here's a link to Lostpedia and the page for these continuity errors....check it out for yourself!

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Production_errors

[rock-lobster]

i have to say, they look the same to me too. i've clicked back and forth a bunch of times.
i do agree though that they lingered on that pic of dog in illan scene for a minute, that usually means something. And, i could be mistaken, but i thought she even shivered at the sight of it.
i hear a lot of people say incontravertible evidence of two worlds a lot too. in posts here and in various podcasts. i have not seen it all in one place though. is it all the "continuity errors" that are evidence of two worlds? it could be two worlds, i don't disagree, i just wonder what all this proof is.

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/

here's a good place to start, if you don't mind a bit of reading.

[delfrio]

i have to say, they look the same to me too. i've clicked back and forth a bunch of times.
i do agree though that they lingered on that pic of dog in illan scene for a minute, that usually means something. And, i could be mistaken, but i thought she even shivered at the sight of it.
i hear a lot of people say incontravertible evidence of two worlds a lot too. in posts here and in various podcasts. i have not seen it all in one place though. is it all the "continuity errors" that are evidence of two worlds? it could be two worlds, i don't disagree, i just wonder what all this proof is.

I agree. I've heard next to no incontrovertible evidence for the 2 worlds idea. The rabbit in the glass is a nice touch, but doesn't need to have anything to do with literally 2 worlds. The frame one is much more convincing, and I agree that the dog paintings use different frames (but the pics are the same), but again these points don't necessarily mean there are 2 worlds. What possible point would there be for Miles to go up the stairs in one world and down in another?

[notsolost42]

I agree. I've heard next to no incontrovertible evidence for the 2 worlds idea. The rabbit in the glass is a nice touch, but doesn't need to have anything to do with literally 2 worlds. The frame one is much more convincing, and I agree that the dog paintings use different frames (but the pics are the same), but again these points don't necessarily mean there are 2 worlds. What possible point would there be for Miles to go up the stairs in one world and down in another?

No, you don't get it! They showed Miles going up the stairs in one world and they showed him coming down the stairs in the other world to show that there are two worlds with simultaneous events, characters, etc. It's not that he jumped from one world to the other. We were just shown glimpses of both worlds during the same event. They have done that all along since the very beginning of the series! See the difference? Does that make more sense to you?

Another prime example is when young Ben was shot! We are all aware that at the end of the epi when he was shot the bullet hole was on one side of his chest and then in the next epi it was on the other side. So, my take is this. He was shot in both worlds. Yes, that event was accurate. But, in the world where he was shot in the heart perhaps he died. In the other world where his wound was on the other side of his chest, he was taken by Kate and Sawyer to the Others who helped him. Both events, the dual paths of what could have happened by the event, have different endings and we are seeing it unfold now.

[Dreamingwolf]

There are literally hundreds of examples. I like the backwards bookcase in the Swan. They did the same thing on the Orchid video with the two bunnies. The shelves in the background changed. Rather, the objects on the shelves changed and some changed places.

as much as I want to have sex with you I have to disagree with you about the dog pictures, but those pics you put there with the swan station are interesting. Do you have episdoes and times for those pics?

[notsolost42]

as much as I want to have sex with you I have to disagree with you about the dog pictures, but those pics you put there with the swan station are interesting. Do you have episdoes and times for those pics?

Check it out for yourself....this is to the page in Lostpedia with loads of examples. They call them continuity errors and bloopers.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Production_errors

[lost-a-lot]

I have to agree that there are multiple worlds. Here's a recent "continuity error:" LINK (http://pic1.piccdrop.com/i/4/1242587180.jpg)

[Dreamingwolf]

Check it out for yourself....this is to the page in Lostpedia with loads of examples. They call them continuity errors and bloopers.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Production_errors

that was too much reading, there wasnt one picture :mad:

[notsolost42]

I have to agree that there are multiple worlds. Here's a recent "continuity error:" LINK (http://pic1.piccdrop.com/i/4/1242587180.jpg)

I'm so glad you mentioned that scene. I have been meaning to look up that book that's on the table. Well, now I have and you will not believe this!!!! OMG!!!! Here's the synopsis:

Synopsis
The nursery rhyme begins, "In fourteen hundred and ninety two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue." Less well-known is the line that follows: "...to learn if the old maps were true." How can there be "old maps" of a land no one knew existed? Were others here before Columbus? What were their reasons for coming and what unexplained artifacts did they leave behind?

The oceans were highways to America rather than barriers, and when discoverers put ashore, they were greeted by unusual inhabitants. In Discovering the Mysteries of Ancient America, the author of The Atlantis Encyclopedia turns his sextant towards this hemisphere. Here is a collection of the most controversial articles selected from seventy issues of the infamous Ancient American magazine. They range from the discovery of Roman relics in Arizona and California's Chinese treasure, to Viking rune-stones in Minnesota and Oklahoma and the mysterious religions of ancient Americans. Many questions will be raised including:
What role did extraterrestrials have in the lives of ancient civilizations?
What ancient pyramids and towers tell us about the people who built them? Are they some sort of portals to another dimension?
What prehistoric technologies have been discovered, and what can they tell us about early settlers, their religious beliefs, and possible other-worldly visitors?
Did El Dorado exist, and what of the legendary Fountain of Youth?
Was Atlantis in Cuba?
What are America's lost races and what happened to them?

Discovering the Mysteries of Ancient America brings to the fore the once-hidden true past of America's earliest civilizations


About the Author:
Frank Joseph is the author of The Atlantis Encyclopedia (New Page Books), as well as a dozen other books on history, prehistory, and metaphysics. He has been the editor-in-chief of Ancient American magazine since its first issue in 1993. He lives in Wisconsin.

Wayne May is the founder-publisher of Ancient American. Laura Lee is the award-winning producer and host of the nationally syndicated "The Laura Lee Show". David Hatcher Childress wrote the best-selling Lost Cities series. Zecharia Sitchin is the author of the best-selling Earth Chronicles series. Andrew Collins is world-renowned for his consistent bestsellers, including Gateway to Atlantis.

[johnolantern710]

same dog, same position, same frame, same painting. i was looking forward to agreeing with you but i think it's impossible. think about the lighting and the angle and look again. please look again.

[notsolost42]

same dog, same position, same frame, same painting. i was looking forward to agreeing with you but i think it's impossible. think about the lighting and the angle and look again. please look again.

The picture frames are completly different.

[I'mnotlost]

Sorry Notso, I looked at the 2 pics for a good 30mins. other then shadows n the angle, theres no difference. in both pics the dog is laying with his paws out in front of him. look real hard.

[notsolost42]

Sorry Notso, I looked at the 2 pics for a good 30mins. other then shadows n the angle, theres no difference. in both pics the dog is laying with his paws out in front of him. look real hard.

Again, the frames are completly different! Please look at that. One is beveled or curved and the other is just flat. It's a very obvious difference.

[lockerunstheshow]

I think the thing that strikes me the most is it bears an awful similar resemblance to good ol Vincent.....

[notsolost42]

I think the thing that strikes me the most is it bears an awful similar resemblance to good ol Vincent.....

Not at all. It looks like a beagle or something. It has dark rings around its eyes and a patch of dark fur on its chest.

[PJlost]

First of all, the paintings are the same just different lighting and different angles. Look carefully and you will see both dogs are lying down. Look at the dog's left arm in each picture-same. Second the cabin was not the same. Jacob's cabin looked very different the first time we saw it. It was bigger with a porch. Plus, Bernard and Rose built that second cabin while Horace was building the first. I also think the ashes around the cabin have some relevance as to Jacob in the fire but that's another thread I still need to work out.

[sluostsol]

I don't know about the two worlds, but I do think the pictures are different. I got frustrated and finally made note of the space between the dogs' heads and the top part of the picture frame. One of the pictures has quite a bit more space between the dog's head and the top section of the picture frame.

[notsolost42]

I don't know about the two worlds, but I do think the pictures are different. I got frustrated and finally made note of the space between the dogs' heads and the top part of the picture frame. One of the pictures has quite a bit more space between the dog's head and the top section of the picture frame.

That's why I was saying that one picture is taller than it is wide and vice versa.

[New Age Messiah]

It's the same picture just one is vertically framed and the other horizontally, and the altered framing alters what was painted as well, not the dog part, but the surroundings, mostly.

It's like whether you turn you camera vertically or horizontally, what gets photographed in the surroundings changes, but the main object remains the same.

[ahall88nhl]

it's pretty clear that there's different frames, no idea how people are missing that
and it does look like one if taller and one is wider

maybe putting them side by side might help some people?

[thebecoming]

Gonna also agree and say the difference (if any?) is negligible. If the difference requires us to analyze screenshots side by side and most of us can't see the difference, how many of the less-fervent Lost viewers are going to see it?

I'm also going to disagree with there being "incontrovertible evidence" for multiple worlds. Most of the examples we've seen are just too obscure for anyone to pick up, and are likely simple production errors.

Oh please!!! Give me a break!!!! Here's an example:

When we first meet Miles and he goes to the older woman's house in LA to rid the house of the spirit, when Miles goes up the stairs all of the photographs on the wall are in dark frames....very dark wooden frames. It is quite obvious. Then, when Miles comes back down the stairs after ridding the house of the spirit, all of the photographs are now in light and white frames with white matting around the photos. So, that's a production error? I don't think so.

Next, when Eloise Hawking is having lunch with her newly graduated son from Oxford, Dan, and they are sitting at the table, her wine glass has a little bunny rabbit sitting in it. Why? Hmmm, a subtle clue about going down the rabbit hole to a mirror world, as in Alice Through the Looking Glass? Ah, YES! Check it out. Those are just two of hundreds of examples.

Just because the examples have been subtle and not everyone has seen them does not mean they don't exist. I've never seen a million dollars either but I am sure it exists!!!!

What I said still holds true; the examples that are cited here are so minuscule compared to the grandiose theories that are being wielded. You're hypothesizing mirror worlds from a change in the colors of picture frames and of the placement of books. There is a huge leap of logic and depth of explanations here to be so adamant in support of this idea.

The use of Alice Through the Looking Glass is just one of many different literary themes that Lost borrows from, along with a scattering of various stories related to myth, religion, and history. Might the Alice reference simply relate to the Island itself as the "mirror world"? The Looking Glass Dharma station was meant to guide ships to the Island, or from the "real world" to the setting of all these supernatural miracles we've seen. Time travel itself can be considered a huge departure from real life; what of time travel as being the "mirror world" alluded to by these examples?

This is not a matter of being right or wrong, as mirror worlds are still a possibility in the Lost universe. I just don't understand why people get so worked up over very trivial evidence.

[notsolost42]

[QUOTE=notsolost42;228295]

What I said still holds true; the examples that are cited here are so minuscule compared to the grandiose theories that are being wielded. You're hypothesizing mirror worlds from a change in the colors of picture frames and of the placement of books. There is a huge leap of logic and depth of explanations here to be so adamant in support of this idea.

The use of Alice Through the Looking Glass is just one of many different literary themes that Lost borrows from, along with a scattering of various stories related to myth, religion, and history. Might the Alice reference simply relate to the Island itself as the "mirror world"? The Looking Glass Dharma station was meant to guide ships to the Island, or from the "real world" to the setting of all these supernatural miracles we've seen. Time travel itself can be considered a huge departure from real life; what of time travel as being the "mirror world" alluded to by these examples?

This is not a matter of being right or wrong, as mirror worlds are still a possibility in the Lost universe. I just don't understand why people get so worked up over very trivial evidence.

It's hardly trivial. It has been occuring since the very beginning and I think it would be a very cool concept if they have been showing us both worlds since day one. Things add up. And Dan's journal elluded to the Dirac Equation.

[rachelskid]

ok, so let's say that we see miles goes up the stairs in one world and comes down the stairs in another. and let's say that ben get shot in both worlds, but only lives in one of those worlds. then wouldn't the two worlds cease to mirror each other? wouldn't they just diverge completely? and what if that point wasn't ebn's death but even earlier? how can they mirror each other and have different occurrences?

[tpbaxter]

as much as I want to have sex with you I have to disagree with you about the dog pictures, but those pics you put there with the swan station are interesting. Do you have episdoes and times for those pics?

? interesting choice of words...

First of all, the paintings are the same just different lighting and different angles. Look carefully and you will see both dogs are lying down. Look at the dog's left arm in each picture-same. Second the cabin was not the same. Jacob's cabin looked very different the first time we saw it. It was bigger with a porch. Plus, Bernard and Rose built that second cabin while Horace was building the first. I also think the ashes around the cabin have some relevance as to Jacob in the fire but that's another thread I still need to work out.

um, so the frames look different to me but that's it. the painting looks the same and it is hard to tell the full width of the original picture due to the lighting so the size and shape may still be the same.

I still like to think that painting was made by Rose and/or Bernard. It's seems possible that Horace helped them build the cabin at some point for some unknown reason?

[tpbaxter]

notsolost42, I still fail to see what the point of your mirror world arguments are. are you saying at the end of the show we are going to find out that things have been happening in 2 separate worlds?

anyway, I'm not sure where you're going with all this but I think I see something now. Since the finale I am realizing that the sequence of events that happen to our heroes on the Island "mirrors" their life experiences before arriving there. I understand the Island is not literally purgatory, but it's a lot like it. I think it has to a lot to do with redemption and human nature and Jacob's comments might give us a hint at what's really going on. I might make a longer post about this eventually but I don't have the energy now. My only point is that some of these "errors" you are pointing out may actually be intentional as you say but I think you might take it too literally. I tend to look at this more metaphorically. I don't think there are literally two worlds, but they may be hinting at a metaphor that is important to the theme of the show?

[notsolost42]

notsolost42, I still fail to see what the point of your mirror world arguments are. are you saying at the end of the show we are going to find out that things have been happening in 2 separate worlds?

anyway, I'm not sure where you're going with all this but I think I see something now. Since the finale I am realizing that the sequence of events that happen to our heroes on the Island "mirrors" their life experiences before arriving there. I understand the Island is not literally purgatory, but it's a lot like it. I think it has to a lot to do with redemption and human nature and Jacob's comments might give us a hint at what's really going on. I might make a longer post about this eventually but I don't have the energy now. My only point is that some of these "errors" you are pointing out may actually be intentional as you say but I think you might take it too literally. I tend to look at this more metaphorically. I don't think there are literally two worlds, but they may be hinting at a metaphor that is important to the theme of the show?

Baxie, Baxie, Baxie! I noticed how the events on the island mirrored what was going on in the backstory ages and ages ago. That's old news my friend. Listen, I just made a fantastic discovery! You're gonna love this! I just posted a new thread....PLEASE READ THIS.....you have to go check out what I found!!!! OMG!!!!

[Nemesis Prime]

Same painting, just framed differently. First one just looks weird because of the angle and lighting. Is this evidence of a mirror world, personally I don't think so. Evidence of something maybe, but I'm not sure what yet. I think the reason for showing the painting twice now may have more to do with who actually painted it and how it got there.

[notsolost42]

Same painting, just framed differently. First one just looks weird because of the angle and lighting. Is this evidence of a mirror world, personally I don't think so. Evidence of something maybe, but I'm not sure what yet. I think the reason for showing the painting twice now may have more to do with who actually painted it and how it got there.

Maybe yes, maybe no. It goes with the stack of other like differences! Why would the frames be different though, if all they want to point to is who painted it and how it got there?

[chester]

Same painting, just framed differently. First one just looks weird because of the angle and lighting. Is this evidence of a mirror world, personally I don't think so. Evidence of something maybe, but I'm not sure what yet. I think the reason for showing the painting twice now may have more to do with who actually painted it and how it got there.

I agree. The large amount of these type of discrepancies is evidence for something. A show that explicitly references 'Valis' is not going to put those things in for no reason.

My leaning, at the moment, is these discrepancies are evidence for changes being made by free-willed time travelers.

However, I also think mirror-matter is another concept being used. I think the island may be made of mirror-matter.

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Interesting stuff, Notso. The picture is definitely the same, the frame is probably different. Is this a continuity error? Did an accident happen in production and they had to re-frame the picture? Or is this something that was thrown in there that will be sorted out in the end? I don't know the answer to the questions, but I have a couple of thoughts on this:

- I think another poster brought up a great point regarding the possibility of a "mirror" world. If all these things happen differently in the mirrored world, then why wouldn't we see an entirely different vector take place with regard to the STC for that respective world?
- All of these "errors" are caught with the heaviest of scrutiny of screen captures. Did TPTB really expect the viewers to be able to find these clues by having to go back and look at screen captures? If so, that's pretty outstanding production. I'm still skeptical that all of the things that can be identified as continuity errors are supposed to be part of the clues of some underlying theme within LOST, but it's still a possibility, I suppose
- The pictures in the house that Miles visits are *not* different. The lighting, perspective, and even the actual pictures being observed are different in each case. I just watch the episode (4.02), and that is my opinion based on what I just watched.

[notsolost42]

Interesting stuff, Notso. The picture is definitely the same, the frame is probably different. Is this a continuity error? Did an accident happen in production and they had to re-frame the picture? Or is this something that was thrown in there that will be sorted out in the end? I don't know the answer to the questions, but I have a couple of thoughts on this:

- I think another poster brought up a great point regarding the possibility of a "mirror" world. If all these things happen differently in the mirrored world, then why wouldn't we see an entirely different vector take place with regard to the STC for that respective world?
- All of these "errors" are caught with the heaviest of scrutiny of screen captures. Did TPTB really expect the viewers to be able to find these clues by having to go back and look at screen captures? If so, that's pretty outstanding production. I'm still skeptical that all of the things that can be identified as continuity errors are supposed to be part of the clues of some underlying theme within LOST, but it's still a possibility, I suppose
- The pictures in the house that Miles visits are *not* different. The lighting, perspective, and even the actual pictures being observed are different in each case. I just watch the episode (4.02), and that is my opinion based on what I just watched.

In a recent interview given by Michael Emerson he said that the production or makeup crew or whomever has a photo album with over 5,000 polaroid pictures of him and his wounds just for the sake of continuity so they can match things up.....so, no, I don't think much of anything is a continuity error. Remember all the fuss about the blood stains on Ben's face and shirt collar after Sun wacked him in the back of the head with the oar? There were "continuity errors" there too. I don't buy it at all! Not if they photograph everything to maintain a record to refer to. That's really detailed and detail oriented. Mistakes should be very infrequent.

Just for the fun of it...if Ben were in each episode (and we know he wasn't) and there were 100 episodes....that would be 50 polaroids per episode of his wounds! Whoa....that's an awful lot of pictures only to have someone screw it all up by accident.

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

If you're into LOST "errors" then take a look at these:

http://www.moviemistakes.com/tv4719

Are all intentional? If not, how do we determine which ones are not?

[Nemesis Prime]

I'm just not sure what we as the viewers would be meant to get out of the story if in fact it was two mirror worlds, or for that matter what the plot of the show would get out of it.

Generally, I think most people on these boards are pretty smart, were able to sit here and actually have discussions like this, hence I don't think many of us would be considered as average viewers. And yet some of the things talked about on these boards are confusing even to many of us. This show was made for the general public. An average viewer is most likely getting pretty confused at this point already. Can you imagine trying to throw in such a huge new part of the puzzle on top of what we already have, it would just be way too much to comprehend, especial;y if it was all crammed into one final season.

Also, like stated before in this thread, if there were two worlds why wouldn't we see one of them taking a drastically different plot line considering all the things that would have changed. ie: Ben being dead in one of them just for starters. Half the show wouldn't have happened how it did if not for him.

Just my opinion.

[notsolost42]

If you're into LOST "errors" then take a look at these:

http://www.moviemistakes.com/tv4719

Are all intentional? If not, how do we determine which ones are not?

Well, let's just stick with the finale for now....how about this? This was the scene from young Juliet's house. Do you notice the book on the coffee table? Do you know what that book is about? Page 3 has a synopsis of the book. Check it out. Maybe that pointless scene was just to show that book. IDK but it is entirly possible.

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Well, let's just stick with the finale for now....how about this? This was the scene from young Juliet's house. Do you notice the book on the coffee table? Do you know what that book is about? Page 3 has a synopsis of the book. Check it out. Maybe that pointless scene was just to show that book. IDK but it is entirly possible.

Ok, this one I've figured out. The shot with the sphere-shaped object is showing the contents on the table next to the couch where young Juliet is sitting. The one with the book shows the coffee table in between the children and the parents. This is not a continuity error or a swap of contents. There is actually a better shot of a screen capture that shows the contents of *both* tables.

If you want to rewatch it, go to abc.com, and select the season finale part 2. This is the opening scene in the 2nd segment.

The pictures that you post do make it look weird, but this one is easily explained.

[notsolost42]

Ok, this one I've figured out. The shot with the sphere-shaped object is showing the contents on the table next to the couch where young Juliet is sitting. The one with the book shows the coffee table in between the children and the parents. This is not a continuity error or a swap of contents. There is actually a better shot of a screen capture that shows the contents of *both* tables.

If you want to rewatch it, go to abc.com, and select the season finale part 2. This is the opening scene in the 2nd segment.

The pictures that you post do make it look weird, but this one is easily explained.

OKay, I will check it out. But what do you think about that book?

[Nemesis Prime]

You can actually see the square glass thing and part of the shell in the screen cap w/ the sphere that notso posted.

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Here's another view

[notsolost42]

Here's another view

Whoa...no way! The distance doesn't even seem close to the other shot! The perspective is all off! How could they possibly shoot it from that angle, on the far side of the couch across the way, and still have it look like they are sitting right by the table? I don't get that! I just don't get it. I'm not so sure it's as easy an explanation as you think.

[Nemesis Prime]

They probably did it on purpose for this very reason, lol.

[notsolost42]

They probably did it on purpose for this very reason, lol.

No doubt! I still don't get the angle! Wow...very interesting. But what about that book??????

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

Whoa...no way! The distance doesn't even seem close to the other shot! The perspective is all off! How could they possibly shoot it from that angle, on the far side of the couch across the way, and still have it look like they are sitting right by the table? I don't get that! I just don't get it. I'm not so sure it's as easy an explanation as you think.

It's an illusion from your perspective because your eyes are playing tricks on you. If you go into the viewing of the image with the belief that the contents including the sphere-shaped object are on the coffee table, then you are not expecting it to exist from such a difference.

The easiest way I can suggest to break free from the illusion is to look at the crispness of the edges of the two tables from the side-by-side image that you posted. The one with the sphere-shaped object has a blurry edge to the table showing that it is much more out of focus than the parents as they sit on the couch. The one with the book shows a much crisper tables edge due to the fact that it is much closer to the parents on the couch.

[notsolost42]

Oh, and I almost forgot one other line in the same episode that was a repeat line. When Jack was about to perform Ben's surgery, as Ben was going under he said "See you on the other side." Now, didn't Desmond say that at one point also? I can't remember the exact episode I've heard that but I am positive that it's been said already by someone!

[HisNameIsRobertPaulson]

AFA the book goes, I don't have any specific ideas on that, but I do believe the title was chosen for the "did you see that" factor.

[notsolost42]

It's an illusion from your perspective because your eyes are playing tricks on you. If you go into the viewing of the image with the belief that the contents including the sphere-shaped object are on the coffee table, then you are not expecting it to exist from such a difference.

The easiest way I can suggest to break free from the illusion is to look at the crispness of the edges of the two tables from the side-by-side image that you posted. The one with the sphere-shaped object has a blurry edge to the table showing that it is much more out of focus than the parents as they sit on the couch. The one with the book shows a much crisper tables edge due to the fact that it is much closer to the parents on the couch.

IDK. Maybe my eyes aren't so good but I don't see a difference in the crispness of the table edges. I understand what you are saying but I just don't see it. It could be me.

[notsolost42]

AFA the book goes, I don't have any specific ideas on that, but I do believe the title was chosen for the "did you see that" factor.

So you know what it's about then?

[Panda]

IDK. Maybe my eyes aren't so good but I don't see a difference in the crispness of the table edges. I understand what you are saying but I just don't see it. It could be me.

I don't think it are your eyes that aren't good.
I think it has to do with the lenses they use for filming and what the lenses focus on that gives sometimes the impression that things are closer than they really are....or larger...or in another position.....
I think it just happens to you that you always notice very little details surrounding that what the camera really wants you to watch. So your focus is not on the focus of what they are filming.
Some kind of high sensitive to all that comes into the radius of what your eyes can see.
And I think it is a nice quality. But it can give you lets say some other impressions than other people have when they are watching the screen and follow the camera...

I know what having eyes that aren't good are.
At least I experienced this as I child. In my case my own lenses of my eyes didn't have the right sizes and were like misshaped
So even when I focused to go from the sofa right to a chair it happened to me over and over again that I bumped into objects that were close, but I couldn't see that. Or that I wanted to reach some point and that it was further than I thought it was.
I walked into objects and fell often etc....I was lucky that my mother noticed that ...and that she concluded that there must have been something wrong withe my eyes.....and good surgery for my case existed....

So if it were a problem of your eyes you would have noticed that in other things in life.
So I think it is rather how you look at everything. You see or you want to pay attention to every detail. And with the style of filming it will of course give you another experience than most people....as you see every detail that other people don't pay attention to.

[InTheBeginning]

I think the pics are the same size, I will give you the frames! If you look at the clapboard siding, there are approx. 3 and a half boards width and height. It's a square pic. Kinda hard to tell with the lighting and the fact that the more recent pic is laying on its side on the floor.

Maybe Esau didn't like his brothers frame selection when he was forced to move in!:rolleyes:;)

[Locke1689]

forget the cabin - if you actually had two parallel universes, happening at the EXACT same time, there is a theory that they would both be unstable, because perhaps only one universe can exist at a time. Therefore, if instead of two time periods, we have been seeing, over the course of the fifth season, two parallel universes, then perhaps one of them ended, and the other continued. If that were the case, the decisive factor in determining which universe would end was decided at the moment juliet detonated the h-bomb. therefore, the souls of all those who existed in the soon to be ended universe who were quantum physically capable of transporting to and existing in the alternate universe could have henceforth been re-habituated into the surviving universe, the 2007 timeline. I could keep on going but you get the idea. perhaps even the time spent in the short-lived 1977 dharma universe could have existed for only a fraction of the time experienced in the surviving 2007 universe, such as having the 1977 ajira survivors flash back to the 2007 time-line shortly after the 2007 crash if not instantaneosly at a different location within the island. who knows. perhaps the white flash also occurred in the 2007 universe, and it too was destroyed, and a new time-space continuum was established. ok, seriously, i won't go on...not for now at least...any comments?

[notsolost42]

forget the cabin - if you actually had two parallel universes, happening at the EXACT same time, there is a theory that they would both be unstable, because perhaps only one universe can exist at a time. Therefore, if instead of two time periods, we have been seeing, over the course of the fifth season, two parallel universes, then perhaps one of them ended, and the other continued. If that were the case, the decisive factor in determining which universe would end was decided at the moment juliet detonated the h-bomb. therefore, the souls of all those who existed in the soon to be ended universe who were quantum physically capable of transporting to and existing in the alternate universe could have henceforth been re-habituated into the surviving universe, the 2007 timeline. I could keep on going but you get the idea. perhaps even the time spent in the short-lived 1977 dharma universe could have existed for only a fraction of the time experienced in the surviving 2007 universe, such as having the 1977 ajira survivors flash back to the 2007 time-line shortly after the 2007 crash if not instantaneosly at a different location within the island. who knows. perhaps the white flash also occurred in the 2007 universe, and it too was destroyed, and a new time-space continuum was established. ok, seriously, i won't go on...not for now at least...any comments?

I have two words for you.....Quantum Entanglement.....

I think the universes changed when young Ben was shot....it biforcated at that point into one world with him and one world without him....

[Panda]

There are literally hundreds of examples. I like the backwards bookcase in the Swan. They did the same thing on the Orchid video with the two bunnies. The shelves in the background changed. Rather, the objects on the shelves changed and some changed places.

Went quick trough this topic again.
And when it comes to the pictures you show with the bookshelves. This is different form the the dog painting in the cabin or the "table with objects" of the parents of Juliette.
On this example with the book shelves, it is mirrored view.
But that is not the case with the other examples.

I didn't notice that mirrored view while watching the show.
But those who are working on the show daily they should have noticed it themselves if they were about making a mistake in the editing...I guess...so it could be that using those mirrored views are not really mistakes but done on purpose....but I don't know what that purpose is.
Maybe to tell us later that it is your theory that got woven into their story as well.
As there are many subjects and idea's that are touched in this show.
So it could be a part of the show indeed.

[Noneya]

it's pretty clear that there's different frames, no idea how people are missing that
and it does look like one if taller and one is wider

maybe putting them side by side might help some people?

Looks the same to me...The photo on the right looks like the older version. Just worn and faded. Who knows with this flippin' show.

Whoops- thought I was gonna carry the thumbnail with the quote!