http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php This is a discussion forum powered by vBulletin. To find out about vBulletin, go to http://www.vbulletin.com/ . en Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:37:29 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.lost.com/forum/firefly/misc/rss.jpg http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=103 Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:22:26 GMT *A Philosophical Thought Experiment*(See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought..._in_philosophy) *Part II* The Object of the Game The object... A Philosophical Thought Experiment(See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought..._in_philosophy)

Part II

The Object of the Game
The object of the game is to tempt (or con if you prefer) fate or destiny of a lost group of survivors in order to prove your philosophy is ultimately the controlling philosophy of all mankind.

Rules of the Game
The rules are simple.

1) You cannot interfere with Free Will. Ultimate Free will is ultimately preserved and any person playing must ultimately make all "final" decisions on their own. Don't confuse Free will with Fate or with Destiny. All 3 things are different.

2) You can't short circuit game play...and this really is ultimately breaking the first rule for your opponents. For example, if my opponent has manipulated players that are about to prove a philosopher, you could just kill them and just avoid the games decisive outcome. However, this is not permitted in the game....and it cheating. It is cheating Free Will...and robbing the person of their Free Will choice by terminating them. This is why Nemesis cannot kill Jacob. Its why Smokie can't kill the others.

Anyone can kill a Lostie. However, if that player is critical to the other side, they are liable to tempt fate or tempt destiny or tempt their control aspects and prevent that player from being taken.

Movement of players-The con

Lost is a con game. We have to con the chess pieces- the Lost survivors into making decisions for our side; even though, ultimately the final decision must be free will. Its a con game because the ultimate "real" players of the game, Jacob and Nemesis are attempting to prove their philosophy. The chess pieces to play out the game on behalf of Jacob and Nemesis are chosen are experts at the con, on lying, on intimidation to enforce their will.

Since manipulation is the primary method of movement of pieces (Lost survivors) within the game, these expertises are highly prized. This is why most of the survivors have these basic traits. Some use brute force to enforce what they want out of individuals. Others use their physical attractiveness to get what they want. Still others use their intellect to get what they want. In each case, its the same --- manipulation. Stubbornness as a conviction is also important. This is because stubbornness means a willing to maintain your philosophy and thus not yield to the pressures of the competing philosophy. Weaker survivors are killed off lest they obviously become pawns of the competition.

Other disciplines

Each of the basic philosophies ultimately break down into common central themes within many disciplines. Philosophy was discussed in part I. Within other disciplines there are these same two central core questions, they just manifest themselves differently depending on different disciplines. These differences have led viewers to think that these are different from the same two core disciplines. Or, that the story is indeed about something else.

I'll go over each basic discipline and the thinking process and position of each of our philosophers and see its relation to the original fundamental philosophical premises:

(Philosophy)
empiricism vs. Rationalism

Jacob- Empiricism
Juan- Rationalism
(More information: http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...ationalis.html)

Discussed at length in Part I.

Empiricists believe "sensory" perception and experience is the foundation of all knowledge. We arrive as blank slates. We touch objects, we feel warmth, etc. and from these experiences we learn, experience, understand, learn, and know everything.

Rationalists believe that rather we born with innate concepts (sometimes referred as apriori) and principals and from those we reason deductively to arrive at more complex concepts. Such apriori concepts of causation, morality, and logic allow us to formulate all knowledge.

(Cosmology)
Fate vs. Destiny

Jacob - Destiny, Determinism
Juan - Fate, Fatalism
(More information: http://www.orderofthewhitelion.com/K...e.destiny.html
http://www.naturalism.org/fatalism.htm
)

Destiny as it is typically defined as "shaped". A destiny can change just as a destination can change. Destiny thus is determinant. Things and events are interconnected. The experiences of an interconnected universe and the process and interactions we go through shape our final destiny.

Fate on the other hand is fixed. There is still free will. However free will decisions are always the same, they are anticipated, expected and preordained within the universe. No matter what you do the same thing will happen to you. Your life will be the same.

(Psychology & Sociology)
Nature vs. Nurture

Jacob - Nurture (empiricism, behaviorism)
Juan - Nature (innatism, nativism)
[Note of confusion: the use of the word "Nature" here is not the same use of the word Nature as to objects or what we see when we open the window. This is in contrast to its previous use. Nature here refers to "biological"...how nature has created us...it refers to genetics]

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviorism
)

Jacob and other behaviorists believe our environment and the nurturing of our interactions largely effect our behavior. And those elements largely dictate who we are, what we will be, how we will die, what we will think, how we will act. Since our environment and interactions are random, our ultimate behavoir is unpredictive.

Juan and Innatism argue that who we are, what we will be, how we will die, what we will think, how we will act, is all pretty much ordained by genetics and our biology. Biology is pretty much preordained --so this is a fatalistic concept. Fundamentally our genetics and biology will cause us to make certain decisions a certain way and respond to our environment in a certain way based on our genetics and our biology. These elements are preordained and they are the foundations of genetic, evolution and survival of the fittest. Even the concept of survival of the fittest means that it can be calculated and ultimately determined statistically by genetics. It is predictive.

(Physics)
TCC vs. WHH (Physics)

Jacob - TCC
Juan - WHH

Time can change (TCC) is the Science and Physic's interpretation of Jacobs Philosophy. Because people ultimately are affected by their environment, sensory experience and are constantly "evolving". Their free will choices can change or evolve as well.

What ever happened happened (WHH) is the Science and Physic's interpretation of MiB's Philosophy. Because people ultimately are born with innate concepts and those manipulations are fixed and independent of experiences, or better said, the experiences always create the same contrast, the free will choices we make are the same over and over again and predictive. It is free will but determinate.

So when someone says that Lost is about WHH...they are right. And when someone says Lost is about TCC...they are right. The show is about BOTH. The fact that both are intrinsic in the show is why we both disagree.

(Religion/Theology)
Original (Innate) Sin vs. Actual Sin

Jacob-Actual Sin
Juan-Innate Sin

Jacob believes in Tabla Rasa....that’s a blank slate. There is no original or innate sin. Each time and each individual is the sum total of his sensory experiences

Juan believes in innate sin or the good or bad of man is inherent. We arrive pre-cast of sin. It is predictive when and how we will sin.

(Ethics, Sociology)
Science vs. Faith

Jacob-Man of Science
Juan-Man of Faith

Jacob is the man of science just like Jack is. This is because science is an offshoot of empiricism and empiricist thought.

Juan is the man of faith just like John was a man of faith (faith in destiny and a meaning of life as opposed to religious faith). This is because Rationalism provides for a duality of man with one aspect being the soul. The soul is where faith resides. Faith cannot be measured and it cannot be empirically determined or quantified. It just is. ]]> 3d-aholic http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=103 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=102 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:20:02 GMT *A Philosophical Thought Experiment* (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment#Thought_experiments_in_philosophy) Part I Overview... A Philosophical Thought Experiment
(See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought..._in_philosophy)

Part I

Overview

I believe Lost is a story detailing a philosophical Treatise and Thought Experiment illustrated as a game of philosophy differences between two philosopher’s named Jacob and Juan (aka Mib). These two central core philosophies are generally considered the basis of all core beliefs of experience and knowledge. These basic philosophies form the foundation of human thought and thus cross all subjects. However, they especially cross the subjects of science (especially physics), psychology, religion, ethics, and sociology.

Jacob, the Protagonist, and Juan, the antagonist each represent one of two central core philosophical concepts against his opponent and the opposing philosophical difference. With each philosophical difference, the corresponding philosopher has control over those aspects that represent his philosophy. By origin, I mean a historical context of the philosophers who helped to originate that philosophy and the disciplines to which they were attempting to explain a cosmology for.

The object of the game is to be right. To be right, means that a particular philosophy is the controlling philosophy...the correct philosophy controlling human kind. This philosophical
debate has been going on for centuries within our own world and within the world of the
island. However, on the island there is a fictional twist. This basic philosophical question of what is the core philosophy that shapes mankind is played as a game on a Lost
survivor control group, who represent players in the chess game. This control group of chess pieces are the manipulative group from which the games conclusion will be drawn from. Ultimately, this control group from which the game is played can be extrapolated to mankind as a whole. However, I believe this will be left as the ultimate unanswered question at the conclusion of the show.

How the game is played is simple. Con, manipulate or otherwise influence a control group to embrace your philosophy. The tools at your disposal are any of the specific philosopher doctrines or influences relating directly to your philosophers and those philosophers to which they represent in a historical context and as an actual fictional manifestation of the philosophy. Each philosopher maintains tools and even individuals of manipulation at his disposal. The control group of Lost survivors arrives on the island and each must be "conned" onto doing the work of one or the other thus "proving" their philosophy. The philosopher whose philosophy is proven wins the game and thus establishes his point of what the controlling philosophy of mankind is.

The rules are simple. You may trick or con -- the fate or the destiny (depending on which you believe is correct) using your philosophical cosmology and those manipulations that are
manifestations of your philosophy. However, you may not short circuit game play. So, for
example, you cannot simply kill any of the opposing philosophical manipulators
with your chief operators (the others, DI, Jacob, Smokie). You also must respect Free
Will. So you can influence fate and destiny but final decisions that are philosophically
"free will" decision must be respected and allowed to happen on their own. That leaves Free Will to ultimately determine which philosophy and who the winner of the game is.

Jacob: The empiricist and his domain

John Locke, the philosopher, considered to be one of the first to formulate empiricism, is based on the assumption that knowledge of something arises from an experience of it. John
Locke (the philosopher) was one of the first philosophers who gave scientists a purpose or
a fundamental basis from which to operate on. So as a result, Jacob who represents the
philosophy of Empiricism, also, therefore, inherits all of the philosophers of mankind’s
historical context that were Empiricists. John Locke (the philosopher) being the main
Empiricist. Empiricists are inherently the "first" scientists. They believe that
observation is by direct observation of "objects". So intrinsic to this, is sensory
perception observation and measurements, empiricist traits -- so this is how Jacob's trait
of his love of Nature for example originates.

In addition, Science, the advanced form of empiricism, is also how the DI operates and as
we saw with the maternity experimentation and how the others operate. The philosopher David
Hume was highly active in the development of the scientific method. Jacob inherently has
the traits of science as these are empiricist traits of the philosophy and the philosophers
who studied these subjects. As a result, Jacob has control over time and space aspects. Healing and time are intimately connected. Jacob also has the ability to heal; he inherits
this trait from the historical philosopher Hippocrates and Aristotle. The term empirical
(from which empiricism derives from), relates to these early Greek philosophers and
practitioners of medicine from which all modern day medicine and the Hippocratic oath
originates.

John Locke also originated the concept of Tabula Rasa. This essentially means that we are originally "blank slates" and everything we learn is from experience. This is why Jacob,
on the beach, believes that given enough time, he can generate the correct "experiences" to
formulate the correct response out of individuals. He just needs to put them in contact with the right objects or the right sensory experiences to shape them. This is also the origin of his belief emphasizing control over children. Children have had "few experiences" so their slate is the most blank. And through selective experiences, he can guide or nurture children and mold them into what he wants.

Besides the control over space and time, Jacob also inherently controls objects. This is
because sensory perception is a direct philosophical premise of knowledge and experience.

He, therefore, can use objects within our game to influence individuals. Objects like the
candy bar to cause our spinal surgeon, Jack to go back in time. Or the ability to make an
old VW van, out of service, out of gas, and subjected to the harsh temperate and humid
climate of an island for 30 years suddenly run again. Or to make food (objects) suddenly
appear out of no-where. In fact, virtually all of the object manipulation we have seen is the result of Jacobs ability to harness the power of the island by virtual of his philosophy.

Juan (MiB): The rationalist and his domain.

Descartes (The father of modern philosophy) and (the father of Analytical Geometry) was one of the first rationalists. He called into question whether we were even "real" or "alive". He rejected corporeal substance of matter and came up with the famous expression, "I think therefore I am". This concept of doubt, called Cogito ergo sum, stresses the mind clear all things and build up only what it knows must be true. His idea was to reject everything first in order to determine what was correct only be what was certain. Since his senses and sensory perception (popularized by empiricist) was not always correct, they could not be trusted. Through this process all perception is disregarded and only "deduction" and "thinking" are trusted as the basis of all knowing. Descartes even said that we cannot distinguish between the dream state and the awake state. Both were sensorial processes. However, we must never trust dreams because they were not thinking and could not provide knowledge. He even hypothesized that our entire existence might be made up, the result of a demon tricking us to believe we were alive.

If you have seen the movie Matrix then this may as well have been written by Descartes. It encapsulates this philosophy well, as the dream state simulates reality and our senses being tricked. Descartes also believed in the duality of human as body and souls. The pineal gland was thought to be the central organ with respect to where the mind and soul interact. This was theorized because animals didn't have pineal glands.

This philosophy, as opposed to Jacobs empiricism, stresses logic, thinking, mathematics, and faith. Furthermore, it emphasizes the rejection of the corporeal existence in favor of the soul
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind-body_problem). Plato also approached this rationalist duality by explaining the soul as immortal because it was the source of ideas and the soul did not exist in time and space like the body did. The soul was the source of abstract reality was as the body was empty only capable of seeing shadows.

The philosophy Leibniz proposed the concept of Monads. It is these Monads that I believe are represented on Lost as Smokie. Monads are the metaphysical equivalent of atoms in the physical world. I believe that Smokie is the metaphysical thought conceptualization of a Monad body. Mondads possess no material or spatial character. Monads are eternal, indecomposable and each individual monad particle interacts independent on its own free will. These monads are theorized to solve the mind-body problem by incorporating a single fundamental concept of both physical and thought encapsulation.

Juan controls the non-physical souls. He manipulates through the dream state and
non-corporeal souls and though the use of Monads. He uses these tactics especially to
trick the senses and the sensory perception experience as this is the empirical process.

(to be continued) ]]> 3d-aholic http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=102 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=101 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:55:54 GMT I discussed this earlier and decided I would write it down as a prediction. Its fairly "underthought" as a theory. I just have it in its infancy, but I liked it enough that I thought I would write it down.

The Theory
The "Dharma initiative" (DI) and the "others" are two fractions of the same Philosophy and ideology of Jacob. The first group termed the others were the "Back to Nature" version of the philosophy. The 2nd group of the others, the DI fraction, was the "Back to Science" version of the philosophy. This makes a lot of sense because this is basically how Jacobs philosophy divides up.

A Divided Philosophy
The two groups were in competition for Jacobs attention as to who better represented his philosophy. The nature side, hunter fraction won out and eventually killed off the science geeks (DI).

Its interesting because it is actually an internal philosophical argument unlike the one between Jacob and Juan (Nemesis). This divided fraction of Jacobs philosophy also mirrors the true historical development of Empiricism. We don't consider science any more to be a study of philosophy...but indeed they share a common trunk of the history tree. Early Empiricists were primary philosophers who observed experience as a manifestion of senses. However from those early philosophers grew the scientists of today and to which science ultimately branched out from that philosophical movement.

The others and DI fundamentally however believe the same thing. Namely, that human experience is derived from senses and objects and objective characteristics. The others believe this in its basic rudimentary form. They maintain this by living with nature. Hunting boar, touching the earth, and feeling the rain. The DI, are an "advanced" or "later interpretation" of this same philosophy. The DI believe this as a function of scientific experimentation applying the same "fundamental" principals but carefully detailing the observations. We call this process the "Scientific Method" however it is still "empirical" and related to observations of the senses.

No Smokie
I believe the more modern DI Others could have established the sonic fence to keep smokie out of their "dreams", or really, possibly just to keep the others out without any regard to Smokie. However, its interesting to note that we were never shown much in the form of "Smokie" interfering with the DI; eventhough, the majority of their experiements and projects were conducted outside of the protective sonic barrier. We also have no real evidence that smokie did much to interfere with the Others as well. The reason for this is that it is not permitted and is against the rules. The Others and the DI are protected from being killed exactly as Jacob is protected. The fact that both of these groups share this rule protection is further evidence that these fractions are part of the same Jacob philosophy.

The Purge
The use of the word Purge, provides further evidence to confirm that the DI was the scientific version of the others. Purge means to: To free from impurities; purify. It has the double entredre of purifying the island but I don't think thats its primary means. I know this is a common belief but that has never made much sense to me...because to me the Island is just a single word to mean (Jacob and Nemesis). Its primary meaning is that they needed to purge their philosophy of these new thought processes.

Ben, born out of that tradition of the DI others; eventhough, he had helped purge it, subconsciously drew the nature loving others back to it. I believe that Ben continued obtaining Hanso foundation money by running the others as the most current ruling version of Jacobs philosophy.

MibLocke-a return to science
In season 5 when MiBLocke is giving Ben a hard time as they are going through the old Dharma camps. He tells Ben something to the effect, so you brought the Others to live back in the DI camp, how ironic is that and he turns around smiles at Ben who is pretty dejected? MiBLocke basically is making fun of Ben and Jacobs philosophy as they can't seem to make up their mind what they want to do.

This turns out to be ironic because the "back to Nature" fraction of Jacobs philosophy,eventually, again turned back to the "civilized" lifestyles, organized measurements form of the others, ie science and the DI. Despite the purge, Ben was causing the others to fraction into a DI-Lite version of the others. This included medical experimentation on genetics and maternity issues. These were the very kinds of "scientic" experiments for which the DI was originally killed off for. So, once again, the philosophy had showed its true historical context mirrored on the island. That ultimately emphicism and sensory object experience leads to the roots of all science. This is the true history of empiricism and likewise of the philosophical development of this same philosophy on the island via the DI and others as Lost demonstrates. ]]> 3d-aholic http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=101 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=98 Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:11:59 GMT Background I have watched a few documentaries on the Lost City of Atlantis and on the Bermuda triangle and the Asian triangle and I believe it is... Background
I have watched a few documentaries on the Lost City of Atlantis and on the Bermuda triangle and the Asian triangle and I believe it is the origin of the Lost story. A correlation and mixture of these ancient stories which has been lately expressed by Atlantian and Bermuda Triangle researchers.

History
The story of Atlantis was none other than described by the famous philosopher and Historian Plato in 360 BC. Lost has an affiliation for philosophy and philosphers and this bears out with the origin of the Island and the story as well. If you think Perfect Society and Lost strike a cord there is also a reason. In Platos account of Timaeus and Critias, Socrates mused about the "perfect society", and the politicians Critias goes on to describe Atlantis as the example. According to Critias, the Hellenic gods of old divided the land so that each god might own a lot; In another words, the island was divided between gods. Sound familar....it should.

The Egyptians, Plato asserted, described Atlantis as an island comprising mostly mountains in the northern portions and along the shore, and encompassing a great plain of an oblong shape in the south "extending in one direction three thousand stadia [about 555 km; 345 mi], but across the center inland it was two thousand stadia [about 370 km; 230 mi]." Fifty stadia [9 km; 6 mi] from the coast was a mountain that was low on all sides...broke it off all round about[6]... the central island itself was five stades in diameter [about 0.92 km; 0.57 mi].[7] Refer to the Lost map as this pretty much fits the description of our island with the Airplane crashing on the western side of the shore plain. Between the coast and the mountain lown on all side to the south east is where Jacobs Statue is erected.

On the island, the mountain was carved into a palace (or Temple) and enclosed it with three circular moats of increasing width, varying from one to three stadia and separated by rings of land proportional in size.

Take a look at the dharma logo and you will see these 3 concentric moats depicted in the actual image of the group.


I will blog later as to why these concentric circles are slightly different than you would imagine for complete moats.

The location of Atlantis has never been known exactly. It has been said to be located close to the Staits of Gilbralter. And this location is consistent with the location of Tunisia.

Science Fiction and how the island came to be
A wormhole exists betweeen the Lost island (Old Atlantis) on one side and Tunisia on the other side. One side is anchored and the other side is free floating. The energy coming from the core of the island that is the source of the anomolies and properties of the island is from an ancient power supply that once existed upon on the island. This power supply became defective during a massive EarthQuake. This power supply was highly advanced and beyond our current technology level as is the contruction of the pyramids today.

Once upon a time, this island existed in our universe and the ancient Atlantian culture lived on there. During that time it was called Atlantis. The people of Atlantis were actually ancient Egyptians. There are references within Egyptian hieroglyphics speaking of Atlantis and referring to it as the Land of the West. Click here if you wish to read about it.

As has been stated, the island was said to be near Tunisia and the straits of Hercules. However, the island suffered a terrible earthquake and the power supply was damaged as a result. When the power supply became defective it created the worm hole and it thrust the island into another dimension on one side anchored to our dimension and universe on the other side. ]]> 3d-aholic http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=98 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=97 Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:24:25 GMT Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Curabitur malesuada ultricies libero vitae tincidunt. Maecenas et sapien eget diam laoreet... Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Curabitur malesuada ultricies libero vitae tincidunt. Maecenas et sapien eget diam laoreet venenatis. Nulla tellus felis, condimentum ut pulvinar et, tincidunt in tortor. Nulla a massa eget tellus tincidunt convallis. In venenatis augue eu est dignissim eget porta nibh pellentesque. Vivamus eu risus urna. Curabitur vitae risus eu dui adipiscing elementum. Aliquam sodales, nunc sed placerat ultrices, tortor libero vestibulum turpis, eu varius nunc dolor vitae ante. Curabitur tempor nulla sit amet mi pretium placerat ornare eros molestie. Sed bibendum hendrerit velit vel scelerisque. Vivamus vel leo sit amet lacus imperdiet congue eget eget erat. Mauris ultricies, libero a tempus mattis, eros diam vulputate enim, at convallis nibh dolor vitae odio. Donec eu lorem ut turpis iaculis posuere. Sed ac risus nec magna faucibus condimentum id eu nisi. Duis sed urna sed quam porttitor mollis vel ac massa.

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Phasellus a condimentum sapien. Nullam nulla ipsum, adipiscing eu mattis quis, gravida id erat. Pellentesque ultrices lacinia mauris, et tristique quam iaculis eget. Morbi sit amet lacinia diam. Nunc malesuada eleifend nulla, eu consequat eros ullamcorper vitae. Integer in elit purus, vel mattis diam. Phasellus vitae tellus nisi, ut tincidunt nisl. Curabitur nisi purus, hendrerit eu tristique at, condimentum ut enim. Curabitur porta gravida lacus non vestibulum. Mauris eros neque, varius non congue ut, varius sed libero. Nulla tempus egestas mollis. Ut viverra eleifend massa in fermentum. Pellentesque augue tortor, semper non auctor nec, lobortis sit amet dolor. Vestibulum nec nibh pellentesque ante vestibulum vehicula non sit amet orci.

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Vivamus viverra commodo lorem, id gravida orci blandit sed. Suspendisse potenti. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Suspendisse ligula nisi, dictum venenatis pulvinar at, accumsan mattis risus. Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia Curae; Vivamus vitae iaculis est. Sed sem turpis, fermentum at tincidunt et, facilisis vel arcu. Nullam nunc ligula, hendrerit ullamcorper pellentesque sed, faucibus nec mauris. Praesent nec enim ipsum. Pellentesque auctor, quam commodo congue consectetur, metus lectus vehicula tellus, et gravida nisi lorem eget tellus. Sed suscipit facilisis semper.

Sed lacus est, tempor ac sodales in, aliquam vel mi. In vitae diam eget purus eleifend varius et et elit. Morbi ac ligula nibh. Nulla eget eros tellus, at porta diam. Proin convallis ipsum vitae risus feugiat tincidunt. Vivamus nulla sapien, hendrerit imperdiet auctor et, euismod quis enim. Integer eu libero facilisis sapien gravida cursus. Donec sit amet sem eget nunc commodo tincidunt sed vel tellus. Nulla feugiat auctor tortor, nec mollis purus sollicitudin quis. Praesent semper varius est, ut vehicula orci malesuada suscipit. Cras varius dapibus lacus condimentum dictum. Vestibulum tempor tincidunt congue. Sed placerat auctor felis vitae feugiat. Sed consequat, risus nec vestibulum porttitor, purus turpis fringilla purus, at elementum leo risus sed lectus. Suspendisse faucibus vehicula magna vitae porta. Donec diam enim, viverra consequat aliquet vitae, luctus vel mi. Nam feugiat ligula at sem blandit tincidunt. Nullam placerat porttitor leo, ut rhoncus purus pretium a. Integer vitae leo in urna rhoncus viverra. ]]> tpbaxter http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=97 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=96 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:43:36 GMT season 5's finale answered a few questions but not many and left us with a few more. we're finally introduced to Jacob, and then he is dead (or is he?). in this episode we are shown Jacob cooking a fish and eating it(in what time? we don't know, he's been there for centuries, yet never ages). the man who sits beside him while he's eating is not introduced to us, but i have a theory. in the bible, Jacob is the son of Isaac, who is the son of Abraham, all biblical patriarchs. Jacob has a brother named Esau who hates him. also, in the bible, Jacob brings his family to Egypt where he resides and dies and is buried. hes known as a cave dweller in the bible which i also found interesting, cause that's where he's staying in an Egyptian cave of some sort. up until now Lost has made a huge amount of biblical references and i do believe it has a lot to do with the bottom line. this place Jacob lives in is also known to be the place of judgment and the gateway to heaven. it is also made references to being Paradise. i believe they have found the Garden of Eden and are all being judged! let me know what you think... ]]> Lost in Lala http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=96 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=95 Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:27:45 GMT season 5's finale answered a few questions but not many and left us with a few more. we're finally introduced to Jacob, and then he is dead (or is he?). in this episode we are shown Jacob cooking a fish and eating it(in what time? we don't know, he's been there for centuries, yet never ages). the man who sits beside him while he's eating is not introduced to us, but i have a theory. in the bible, Jacob is the son of Isaac, who is the son of Abraham, all biblical patriarchs. Jacob has a brother named Esau who hates him. also, in the bible, Jacob brings his family to Egypt where he resides and dies and is buried. hes known as a cave dweller in the bible which i also found interesting, cause that's where he's staying in an Egyptian cave of some sort. up until now Lost has made a huge amount of biblical references and i do believe it has a lot to do with the bottom line. this place Jacob lives in is also known to be the place of judgment and the gateway to heaven. it is also made references to being Paradise. i believe they have found the Garden of Eden and are all being judged! let me know what you think... ]]> Lost in Lala http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=95 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=94 Fri, 22 May 2009 21:16:40 GMT okay so Jacob is a christ-like figure. he sacrifices himself so mankind can have free will, blah blah blah. what's interesting is that also by definition makes him an Osiris-like figure, since osiris's resurrection after being killed by Set is the direct antecedant of christ's resurrection.


if jacob comes back to life, it will be in a very osiris-like manner. maybe he left part of his sahu with each of the losties. these parts of him can be reunited with his ka and he will be reborn, just like osiris was. his spirit-soul never dies, so this is theoretically possible, he just has to beincarnated or reincarnated as the case may be.

jacob as osiris also raises the parallel of smokey as set, however smokey is also Amemit the devourer of souls, Apep the big firey snake, Esau Jacob's adversary/brother, lucifer, etc. also ben is very Set-like, as well as sorta Judas Iscariot-esque. and set is identified with sobek, anubis, and apep as well.

so Set is more of a concept than a physical presence or direct reference, just as Osiris and Christ are merely reference points in Lost's metasymbolical roadmap. ]]> Greg Dharma http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=94 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=90 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:46:00 GMT A video a friend and I made a few weeks ago also we have a trailer for our LOST spoof if we have time to make it check them out on out The Last Of... A video a friend and I made a few weeks ago also we have a trailer for our LOST spoof if we have time to make it check them out on out The Last Of The Last Of The Good Ones Productions
http://tlotgo.com/. ]]> BMARR226 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=90 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=89 Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:33:20 GMT This is a repost, thought the title was more catching to the eyes. SO i was thinking about those two wonderful characters who went back in time... This is a repost, thought the title was more catching to the eyes.
SO i was thinking about those two wonderful characters who went back in time with sawyer, juliet and the bunch and was thinking where the hell are they. Then I thought of a wonderful piece of information from season one. Remember adam and eve... THe corpses in the caves... Im gonna make the jump to say that those two are definately rose and bernard. Given there story line of not wanting to leave the island because rose would get sick, it seems very possible they settled in the caves and just rode it out on the island until dying at the same time presumably (I doubt one laid by the others corpse)

The only other interesting thing to back up this theory, is the two stones adam and eve had. 1 black 1 white. Now i hope the lost writers are not that lame to have the black and white thing be the only hint its rose and bernard. Its gotta be them. Maybe im wrong who knows.. Any thoughts on this???? ]]> mastaace187 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=89 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=88 Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:35:08 GMT So I was thinking about those two wonderful characters who went back in time with sawyer, juliet and the bunch and was thinking where the hell are... So I was thinking about those two wonderful characters who went back in time with sawyer, juliet and the bunch and was thinking where the hell are they. Then I thought of a wonderful piece of information from season one. Remember adam and eve... THe corpses in the caves... Im gonna make the jump to say that those two are definately rose and bernard. Given there story line of not wanting to leave the island because rose would get sick, it seems very possible they settled in the caves and just rode it out on the island until dying at the same time presumably (I doubt one laid by the others corpse)

The only other interesting thing to back up this theory, is the two stones adam and eve had. 1 black 1 white. Now i hope the lost writers are not that lame to have the black and white thing be the only hint its rose and bernard. Its gotta be them. Maybe im wrong who knows.. Any thoughts on this?? ]]> mastaace187 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=88 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=87 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:55:27 GMT ****.! I got it all wrong Lost starts next Monday. I had bin looking forward to see the epesode to night but it is next ****ing Monday. Well I guess... ****.! I got it all wrong Lost starts next Monday. I had bin looking forward to see the epesode to night but it is next ****ing Monday. Well I guess i'll just have to wait but this isn't gonna be any longer so sjáumst seinna fólk þið skiljið ekki hvað magga er að segja núna..Hehehe.!
-Magnea ]]> Magnea http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=87 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=86 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:51:34 GMT Hello everyone Lost season 5 starts tomorrow in Iceland. I can't wait to see it. Lost season 4 was so great and I want to know what happend to John Locke, becouse I don't belive his dead.!
Kveðja, Magnea:p ]]> Magnea http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=86 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=85 Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:34:21 GMT This is my take {theory} on what the Island is. A few thousand years ago, an alien space craft landed {or crashed} on what is now the Island {but... This is my take {theory} on what the Island is.

A few thousand years ago, an alien space craft landed {or crashed} on what is now the Island {but a few thousand years ago the location was actually at or near where Egyptian folk roamed}.

The alien craft was capable of time journeys {hence being able to travel the universe}.

The Egyptians conversed/communicated with the aliens as though they {the aliens} were Gods.

The Egyptians were privy to the knowledge of the dynamics of the universal time traveling ship of the aliens {or Gods as they wouldv'e thought them to be}.

This would explain how in "real life" egyptologists found a buried wooden ship next to the great pyrimids and that wriiten scrolls tell us that they put it there as a "celestial traveling vessle" whereas the buried pharaoh would be able to travel to the "gods" after death.

So, back to the Island, --- once the Egyptians learned of the aliens and reveared them as Gods, --they built that 4 toed statue in the image of the alien race {what they considered Gods}
{Will be interesting to see if the face of the statue is of a dog or a jackle {hence either Anubis or Ceribus}.

The volcano eventually erupted and covered the spacecraft,-- and the wheel that Ben and Locke turns to move the Island around is actually the buried space craft and it's universal time traveling capability.

The Darma people found this buried craft and figured out how to use it.

This of coarse does not explain who is who and why things are happening now but it's my theroy of the premise of what the Island actually is.

Oh, and OLD SMOKEY, --just think Ceribus, -- the Egyptian dog headed guardian of the "underworld". ]]> Kurtster http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=85 http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=84 Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:49:46 GMT Can anyone answer this, in the episode where Miles's background was revealed, he was at a black ladies house to rid the house of the spirit of her dead 13 yr old grandson, the lady was micheals mother making the grandson presumably Walt, but when locke goes back, he visit Walt and Walt goes to visit Hurley in Santa Rosa Did I miss a time segment,

also is the little girl Faraday sees, charlotte/annie and was annie that much younger than ben in the flashbacks, ]]> hurleysgirl http://www.lost.com/forum/blog.php?b=84