All this talk of possession; "Locke is MIB, Locke is Jacob, Ben is Jacob" etc; it got me to thinking...
What if the opening scene with Jacob and MIB is nothing more than a red herring (as the fish tells us)?
Locke is dead, make no mistake, but the show has been more about time continuity than soul possession. What if, somehow, during all the time jumping Locke ended up on the island with his dead body present?
The "loophole" dialogue is coincidental, but it is meant as the "red herring" to throw us off the real situation. When Jacob says, "you found your loophole" he's talking to John about John's loophole, not MIB's. Perhaps that's the rub. John needed to find the same loophole that MIB was looking for all along.
Just as Miles was present with his younger self, John is present with his dead self. IOW, John killed Jacob before he was killed by Ben. When? Dunno. But I'm guessing it was before he turned the wheel...
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Its a "Major" red herring and they even have shown it getting skinned and still folks have bought it hook, line and sinker. But, I guess thats how they get you back for next season.
I don't believe there is any demonic possession and it would cheapen a brillent story. Yes, the writers have destroyed the "timeline" so that people cannot see that events and not flowing chronologically.
One version of Locke is dead and another version of Locke is alive. They have already shown us numerous cases over and over and over again where the same person is existing in the same scene and the same time period at the same time. Up to now, we have only seen the same person existing in the same scene alive....they just up'd the anty and gave it to us with one of the time lines showing the person dead and alive in the same time line.
Oh, duh... I even read that thread!! Maybe your thoughts have been "possessing" me.
But what intrigues me is: what is the loophole that John needed to find?
If we assume that the island does not allow people to leave and return, then one must find a loophole to be released from the island's rules. Leaving the island means eternal banishment? Widmore cannot come back... Ben broke the rules (by turning the wheel? or was it something else?) And how did Eloise come to leave the island if she was the others' leader? Did all of these people succumb to the rule of the island, while John figured out the "loophole"?
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Not for me guys. John died in the mainland and his body was brought back to the island, whatever or whoever is walking about in johns body its not john, its made obvious by the loophole line that they want us to believe its jacobs nemesis. Whoever it is they have been on the island the whole time and by the way they stood in ocean (in johns body and johns lovely suit) it seemed to me that they"d been in prison or had some sort of restriction upon them. Now the question is do the writes include "red herrings"? If so then IMO alot of the show is meaningless. I hope not people. hogwild96bob indeed ben did brake the rules as did widmore and eloise but so did all our losties who left the island. Whats thier punishment?
I just thought I would mention to you all that this "red herring" was also shown in the Room 23 video. In the video, there was a background still photo of these "red herring" and overlayed across them was the phrase "God loves you as he loved Jacob." Interesting, isn't it? BTW, those were not red herring but red snapper. Just thought you should know.
I just thought I would mention to you all that this "red herring" was also shown in the Room 23 video. In the video, there was a background still photo of these "red herring" and overlayed across them was the phrase "God loves you as he loved Jacob." Interesting, isn't it? BTW, those were not red herring but red snapper. Just thought you should know.
My bad....the Room 23 video had the words "We are the causes of our own suffering" overlayed on the photo of the fish....
[QUOTE=hogwild96bob;237009]And how did Eloise come to leave the island if she was the others' leader? QUOTE]
Widmore,Ben and Locke were also leaders who left,so why not Eloise?
She probably left in order to stay alive,cos if she stayed after the incident she would have died while giving childbirth.
If John figured out the loophole that allows you to come back,then Ben must have also figured it out cos he also cameback.
I think the loophole is what allows you to override the rules to kill someone,that is why Ben can't kill Widmore cos he hasn't found it yet.
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One version of Locke is dead and another version of Locke is alive. They have already shown us numerous cases over and over and over again where the same person is existing in the same scene and the same time period at the same time. Up to now, we have only seen the same person existing in the same scene alive....they just up'd the anty and gave it to us with one of the time lines showing the person dead and alive in the same time line.
Where'd the second version of Locke come from? An alternate dimension? And how did that happen?
Where'd the second version of Locke come from? An alternate dimension? And how did that happen?
I don't know the answer to that. If I did, I would know the entire show...and there'd be no reason to watch it any further.
BTW, same thing if you believe that there is alt-Locke and he can instantly become anyone he wants. Not only would you have no further reason to watch if that were true, but the entire series would go down the tube as a cheap horrow film. You would be wondering well why did he go to all this trouble when he can look like anyone he wants to....
I'm giving the writers a lot more credit than that. Its much more complex than anti-J becomes anti-L. You will owe me a beer and an "I'm sorry you were right", this time next year...so don't forget...ok. Also, don't try and weasle out of it. You think that anti-J became anti-L...get on the record now instead of the pseudo cover sidelines.
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