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Old 01-14-2010, 12:40 PM
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I REALLY like that you compared it to a chess game, thats a great way of explaining it. Ultimately Jacob is playing and strategically moving his pawns for the ultimate goal. I full believe he knew he was going to die and had to line up everything just right so that he could have HIS loophole and win the game. I like it
Thanks, yeah i look at it this way.....ultimate goal is kill the king...Not all pieces move the same...grandmaster strategies usually involve plenty of elaborate misdirected deployments and subversion....games can take inordinately long amounts of time to win....chess is referenced several times in the show...

the connection just made sense.
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:16 PM
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Oh come on. I havent disagreed with you all the time have I?

I guess conversely you disagreed what I been saying as well than LOL
I'm replying to this lately because it's an execuse to bump the thread, haha. :P

But yes you have =)
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:19 PM
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I'm replying to this lately because it's an execuse to bump the thread, haha. :P

But yes you have =)
Sorry. LOL

Well I agreed with you here. LOL
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:22 PM
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posted this in another thread, but I think some of you might like it.




Excerpts from Magic and Mystery in Tibet by Alexandra David-Neel:

"However interested we may feel in the other strange accomplishments with which Tibetan adepts of the secret lore are credited, the creation of thought forms seems by far the most puzzling."



"Apparitions are created either by a lengthy process... or, in the case of proficient adepts, instantaneously or almost instantaneously."



"Once the tulpa is endowed with enough vitality to be capable of playing the part of a real being, it tends to free itself from its maker's control. Sometimes the phantom becomes a rebellious son and one hears of uncanny struggles that have taken place between magicians and their creatures, the former being severely hurt or even killed by the latter."



"Tibetan magicians also relate cases in which the tulpa is sent to fulfill a mission, but does not come back and pursues its peregrinations as a half-conscious, dangerously mischievous puppet."



"The same thing, it is said, may happen when the maker of the tulpa dies before having dissolved it. Yet as a rule the phantom either disappears suddenly at the death of the magician or gradually vanishes like a body that perishes for want of food. On the other hand, some tulpas are expressly intended to survive their creator and are specially formed for that purpose."



"Must we credit these strange accounts of rebellious materializations, phantoms which have become real beings, or must we reject them all as mere fantastic tales and wild products of imagination?"

As my final theory before the new season begins, I thought I would take a stab at probably the biggest mystery on the show - the monster. My theory, briefly stated, is that the monster is a tulpa (a thoughtform brought to life) originally created by Jacob as either a companion or assistant. In the beginning, I believe the monster was a mere puppet, but over a period of time it became more and more independent and grew tired of assisting Jacob in his (to the monster) pointless experiments. The monster eventually came to resent and then hate Jacob, and longed to kill him. But it couldn't - because it was still just a thought of Jacob's brought to life, and would cease to exist if he died. The monster needed a loophole if it wanted to survive its creator. John Locke provided that loophole. By deliberately manipulating events, the monster creating a messianic legend and mystique around Locke. This generated an unprecedented amount of faith and belief among the Hostiles, which was like candy to the monster. When the time came to assume Locke's form, the monster was able to draw on all the hope and belief the Hostiles had in Locke. At that moment, the monster cut the cord binding it to Jacob and became a real entity in its own right. Jacob could be killed, by the monster or a selected dupe, and the monster would still survive on its own. The monster had found its loophole.

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I was right!
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Old 02-04-2010, 02:04 PM
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I was right!
You think you are the only one who theorized this way back? I dont think i stated a thread about i but i have thought that Locke was not locke but MIB not long after the finale. I am gong to have to try and fine where i posted it and got laughed at for it

But yes we were right.

I was also glad to see that I was on target about the ring of ash surrounding the cabin and also that Locke wasnt always MIB since his birth.

Locke/Smokey/MIB pretty much confirmed that last night
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You think you are the only one who theorized this way back? I dont think i stated a thread about i but i have thought that Locke was not locke but MIB not long after the finale. I am gong to have to try and fine where i posted it and got laughed at for it

But yes we were right.

I was also glad to see that I was on target about the ring of ash surrounding the cabin and also that Locke wasnt always MIB since his birth.

Locke/Smokey/MIB pretty much confirmed that last night
Haha matey! I said in season 6 part of the forums on the first page on my thread "Wheres Losttime so we can celebrate!"

I know you were with me on this
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:06 PM
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You think you are the only one who theorized this way back? I dont think i stated a thread about i but i have thought that Locke was not locke but MIB not long after the finale. I am gong to have to try and fine where i posted it and got laughed at for it

But yes we were right.

I was also glad to see that I was on target about the ring of ash surrounding the cabin and also that Locke wasnt always MIB since his birth.

Locke/Smokey/MIB pretty much confirmed that last night
yeah, i'd like to come dance in the "we were right" circle. LT i know you and I have been back and forth on this theory for some time, and yes many a heated debate came from the others. I remember several people saying that if smoky was just turning into everyone that would be a big cop out by the writers...but i'm not pointing fingers so i'm not going to dig up all the old threads...plus i just dont have the time to pour over all those messages to find the right ones.

There were a few more of us in the MiB/smoky camp, i figured they would be in here dancing a jog too, but i guess we can't all be gloaters...
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:11 PM
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I really didn't see much objection to the idea.

I kind of thought most suspected it.
(but what do I know... not much)

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Haha matey! I said in season 6 part of the forums on the first page on my thread "Wheres Losttime so we can celebrate!"

I know you were with me on this
Oh ok just making sure you werent thinking you were the only one to see that early on.

I think within a day of the finale iwas all over Locke being Smokey.

The only thing i had flip flopped on was Smokey was MIB but for the last month or so I was pretty convinced Smokey is MIB now appearing as Locke.

I was also glad to see that i was on the same thinking that Locke was not always MIB or however that thoery went but only after Locke's body came back on Ajira did MIB take on the appearance.
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