Sayid, Claire and Desmond are not affected the same way
Seems Sayid is without emotion. He doesn't feel "anything" anymore.
The same cannot be said for Claire who clearly has some emotions running wild. She is anything but emotionless. This applies to Desmond as well who is not afraid, not because he doesn't feel fear anymore but because he doesn't see the point of feeling fearful any longer.
Seems Sayid is without emotion. He doesn't feel "anything" anymore.
The same cannot be said for Claire who clearly has some emotions running wild. She is anything but emotionless. This applies to Desmond as well who is not afraid, not because he doesn't feel fear anymore but because he doesn't see the point of feeling fearful any longer.
Good observation.
Sayid and Claire are experiencing the sickness in different ways.
I think a connection can be made between Desmond and Jacob. Desmond no longer fears anything, he doesn't see the point. Jacob struck me in the same way, he doesn't fear MIB or anything. Sure, Jacob didn't want to die, but he didn't fear it.
I wonder if that is why n-Locke tried to kill Desmond?
Jack now strikes me the same as well, now that he is back on the island and understands more about Jacob, he doesn't seem like he has fear anymore.
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The same cannot be said for Claire who clearly has some emotions running wild. She is anything but emotionless.
Some emotions are "rational"...some emotions are "irrational".
The need for Judgment and for things to be fair does cause an emotion of anger...but thats a higher emotion based upon a higher order concept of fairness or equality....its a rational emotion.
Remember Smokie got upset on the log when Jacob brought him the wine too. Soldiers have anger as an emotion when they fight a war. Attorneys show angers when justice is not served.
Fear is an irrational emotion...its based on something typically unrelated or to imaginary thoughts. Remember what Desmond said to Smokie right before he was thrown in when fLocke gave him the emotion test question. Love is an irrational emotion..
The Opposite: Take Ben and Desmond. Was Ben angry when he killed Locke or was it "matter fo fact". Desmond was not angry when we ran over Locke either...seemed on autopilot.
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3D I have really enjoyed reading your posts in the past and I am glad you commented on this one too.
I dig what you are saying. To me, though, it seems Sayid is without any emotion (rational or irrational) while Claire and Desmond definitely feel things.
If the "sickness" ot the "infection" has Sayid then it doesn't have Claire or Desmond. Seems TPTB made such a big deal to show us that Sayid feels nothing whatsoever but at the same time they show us that Claire is unable to control her emotions and Desmond seems to have fully reigned his in.
I love hearing all your thoughts on this and all the other threads.
I should have gotten involved in these discussion long before now.
I am completely new to these forums...so thanks for your comments!
Some emotions are "rational"...some emotions are "irrational".
The need for Judgment and for things to be fair does cause an emotion of anger...but thats a higher emotion based upon a higher order concept of fairness or equality....its a rational emotion.
Remember Smokie got upset on the log when Jacob brought him the wine too. Soldiers have anger as an emotion when they fight a war. Attorneys show angers when justice is not served.
Fear is an irrational emotion...its based on something typically unrelated or to imaginary thoughts. Remember what Desmond said to Smokie right before he was thrown in when fLocke gave him the emotion test question. Love is an irrational emotion..
The Opposite: Take Ben and Desmond. Was Ben angry when he killed Locke or was it "matter fo fact". Desmond was not angry when we ran over Locke either...seemed on autopilot.
I can't figure out why, but your theories are strange to me. This whole philosophy theory doesn't "feel" right to me. I'm not saying its wrong or right, just that I get it and don't get it at the same time.
I have to say anger is irrational though. So are you saying that MIB is irrational and Jacob is rational? I thought you were saying MIB is rational?
Dude I think someone found a wrinkle in your theory, her name is Claire.
Okay I figured it out. No offense but it seems like you’re bending and misshaping the jig-saw pieces a little bit to fit your picture.
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3D I have really enjoyed reading your posts in the past and I am glad you commented on this one too.
I should have gotten involved in these discussion long before now.
I am completely new to these forums...so thanks for your comments!
Thanks Flummoxed.
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I dig what you are saying. To me, though, it seems Sayid is without any emotion (rational or irrational) while Claire and Desmond definitely feel things.
Can you be more specifid for Claire and Desmond. Which/what part of the show or what scene? All I can remember is anger from her. And for Desmond "on island"...he seems to have been the best zombie so far.
Claire is definitely not as clear cut. We also don't entirely know if Claire died and acquired the sickness or this is just what Dogen said....its being assumed.
__________________ "We set up this thematic debate between faith and empiricism, basically, in many different iterations of the show, that is what our story has been about"Carlton Cuse (1:00)
Okay I figured it out. No offense but it seems like you’re bending and misshaping the jig-saw pieces a little bit to fit your picture.
It seems that way because its not a clear cut subject. Even if two people read the same philosophy books, those two people could argue about what they read for 18 hours straight.
Then you take a character on a fictional show and two people could argue again for another 18 hours about what kind of emotion that person was showing.
I think the show will end such that these sorts of discussions will actually go on for another 6 months without actually using the word philosophy on the show. Now how they do they...I have no idea.
Keep in mind....Its just a theory.
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What is the connection between Sayid, Claire, and Desmond? I feel like Desmond is just "enlightened". He knows there is another world and he knows he has a purpose but I don't think he is claimed by Smokey.
And when exactly was Sayid claimed? Was it the moment he was brought back to life or the moment he agreed to follow Smokey? Cause I remember he was kinda emotional when Locke asked him what he wanted more than anything and Sayid said what he wanted died in his arms.
It seems like Sawyer and Kate have been following Locke for a while now and they are not claimed.
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What is the connection between Sayid, Claire, and Desmond? I feel like Desmond is just "enlightened". He knows there is another world and he knows he has a purpose but I don't think he is claimed by Smokey. Hmm, please go rewatch Desmond on island...he's clueless...a walking zombie. Ignore the FS stuff...just on island. Followed smokie right to the well and got pushed in....didn't even resist.
And when exactly was Sayid claimed? Was it the moment he was brought back to life or the moment he agreed to follow Smokey? Cause I remember he was kinda emotional when Locke asked him what he wanted more than anything and Sayid said what he wanted died in his arms.
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When the sun went away. When dreams happen.
When it got Dark...when it was pitch black and not "WHITE"...like MiB
It seems like Sawyer and Kate have been following Locke for a while now and they are not claimed.
Yes, they are recruited (different from claimed). He has them agreeing to follow him "as is" currently "conned".
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Yes, they are recruited (different from claimed). He has them agreeing to follow him "as is" currently "conned".
So do you think Desmond has been claimed? I don't.
I agree with Phillip that Desmond seems enlightened on the island. He seems different doesn't he, perhaps Zombie is a way to describe it, but I don't think it's accurate. Desmond seems like he see's things clearly now and Smokey fears this.
Also you are right, there are a lot of different ways to look at this show.
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