Why did Charlie die?

[zmoonchild]

When Mikhail blows the window to the control room and the water comes flooding in, Charlie should have been able to survive because a large air bubble should have formed at the top of the control room he was in.

The water that was rushing in would have only filled up to the level of the window, maybe just a little bit higher, but there still should have been a large enough air pocket above that point in which Charlie could have survived long enough to try and figure a way out.

He could have taken a very deep breath and swam out the window and back below the Looking Glass station and came back in the way he originally entered the station, from underneath.

I know that it was just an oversight on the writers and producers of the show, but I just though I’d bring it to light.

[lenk@]

I know that it was just an oversight on the writers and producers of the show, but I just though I’d bring it to light.
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Charley is very pitiful me...I think he would pull through...there all so was tangled

[Hurley's Left Sock]

Originally Posted by zmoonchild

When Mikhail blows the window to the control room and the water comes flooding in, Charlie should have been able to survive because a large air bubble should have formed at the top of the control room he was in.

The water that was rushing in would have only filled up to the level of the window, maybe just a little bit higher, but there still should have been a large enough air pocket above that point in which Charlie could have survived long enough to try and figure a way out.

He could have taken a very deep breath and swam out the window and back below the Looking Glass station and came back in the way he originally entered the station, from underneath.

I know that it was just an oversight on the writers and producers of the show, but I just though I’d bring it to light.

It wasn't an oversight.
Charlie wanted to die that way because he knew knew he was going to die somehow anyway (remember Desmond's visions). This time, the vision said that if Charlie died that Claire and Aaron would be rescued from the island.
So he thought if he was going to die anyway, some good might at least come of it. So the reason that Charlie died is because he wanted to in order to save Claire and the baby. He willingly sacrificed himself. That's what made his death heroic and redeemed him in the end.

[Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid]

Originally Posted by Hurley's Left Sock

It wasn't an oversight.
Charlie wanted to die that way because he knew knew he was going to die somehow anyway (remember Desmond's visions). This time, the vision said that if Charlie died that Claire and Aaron would be rescued from the island.
So he thought if he was going to die anyway, some good might at least come of it. So the reason that Charlie died is because he wanted to in order to save Claire and the baby. He willingly sacrificed himself. That's what made his death heroic and redeemed him in the end.

Yes, poor Charlie. We all loved him, but alas, bumping off a few scattered Losties is all part of what makes the show so intense. I wish it could be different. But they did say that in the end, there are not going to be very many happy campers. Only a few will have a happy ending. This saddens me.

[rip-charlie]

Originally Posted by Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid

Yes, poor Charlie. We all loved him, but alas, bumping off a few scattered Losties is all part of what makes the show so intense. I wish it could be different. But they did say that in the end, there are not going to be very many happy campers. Only a few will have a happy ending. This saddens me.

it Saddens me too He was my Favorite and i was hoping that he and Clarie could ahve had a happy ending family but i guess I was wrong for both of them !!! I hope nothing happens to Sawyer or Hurley.

[zmoonchild]

Originally Posted by Hurley's Left Sock

It wasn't an oversight.
Charlie wanted to die that way because he knew knew he was going to die somehow anyway (remember Desmond's visions). This time, the vision said that if Charlie died that Claire and Aaron would be rescued from the island.
So he thought if he was going to die anyway, some good might at least come of it. So the reason that Charlie died is because he wanted to in order to save Claire and the baby. He willingly sacrificed himself. That's what made his death heroic and redeemed him in the end.

Ah… Charlie did not want to die; he wanted to live.
Charlie had prepared himself for death because he had come to believe that it was inevitable.

Watch the scene just before he locks himself inside the small radio control room, he asks Desmond if he’s had any more versions. Desmond tells him ‘no’ new visions. Charlie then becomes really excited because he now thinks that he’ll survive.
Charlie even says” “So much for fate.”

It isn’t until after Charlie sees Mikhail with the hand grenade that he realizes that Desmond’s vision is real.

Also, how is it not an oversight? The radio control room would have had a large pocket of air that would have formed at the very top of the room itself. The hand grenade blast only destroyed the window, nothing else; so the water level could only rise to that point or little higher.

Also, the window was large enough for Charlie to swim through, which is another oversight.

I do realize that the writers would have found some way for Charlie to die no matter what, but he could have escaped the radio control if he wanted to, or at the very least survived long enough with the pocket of air that would have formed near the top of the control room itself. That’s where the oversight comes in.

[Hurley's Left Sock]

Originally Posted by zmoonchild

Ah… Charlie did not want to die; he wanted to live.
Charlie had prepared himself for death because he had come to believe that it was inevitable.

Charlie knew that he was destined to die because no matter how many times Desmond tried to avert it, it happened again. By dieing in the Looking Glass incident, he saw a way of rescuing Claire and Aaron. This is why he made no obvious attempt to escape. So logically Charlie wanted to die in this way.
I'm not saying he was suicidal and wanted to die for it's own sake. But he wanted to die to save Claire and Aaron. So yes, he wanted to die the way he did.

Above all else, Charlie wanted Claire and the baby safe.
I'm sure if there was a way to gurantee this while remaining

Yes, but there wasn't. The only way he could see to guarantee it was by drowining in the Looking Glass which is what he chose to do. So there's no point in saying that there was some way of escaping because he didn't want to escape. He wanted to die there.

Watch the scene just before he locks himself inside the small radio control room, he asks Desmond if he’s had any more versions. Desmond tells him ‘no’ new visions. Charlie then becomes really excited because he now thinks that he’ll survive.
Charlie even says” “So much for fate.”

I assume he's happy because nothing has changed from the last vision.
The plan is that he's going to die and Claire and Aaron are saved. That's why he's happy - he's not happy he's going to die but that he believes Claire and Aaron are now guaranteed to be rescued.

It isn’t until after Charlie sees Mikhail with the hand grenade that he realizes that Desmond’s vision is real.

He believes the vision is real from the moment he chooses to undertake the mission to destroy the jamming signal. Desmond has already told him what it will entail. He realises it's real from the beginning which is why he volunteers in the first place.

Also, how is it not an oversight? The radio control room would have had a large pocket of air that would have formed at the very top of the room itself. The hand grenade blast only destroyed the window, nothing else; so the water level could only rise to that point or little higher.

Also, the window was large enough for Charlie to swim through, which is another oversight.

I do realize that the writers would have found some way for Charlie to die no matter what, but he could have escaped the radio control if he wanted to, or at the very least survived long enough with the pocket of air that would have formed near the top of the control room itself. That’s where the oversight comes in.

It doesn't matter whether Charlie could have escaped. The point was that he didn't want to escape. If he had survived then there was no guarantee that Claire and Aaron would be rescued and he'd just end up dying at some point anyway. He could have survived in an air pocket, he could have swam out the window. Fair enough. But why would he do that?
As you said yourself, above all else he wanted Claire and the baby safe. Surviving would not accomplish that. Only choosing to stay and die would.
Hence, Charlie chose to stay and die.
Even if there had been a scuba diving suit in the room and and escape hatch, it still wouldn't be an oversight because Charlie would still have chosen to stay there and die.

[zmoonchild]

Originally Posted by Hurley's Left Sock

As you said yourself, above all else he wanted Claire and the baby safe. Surviving would not accomplish that. Only choosing to stay and die would.
Hence, Charlie chose to stay and die.

I didn’t say that. You have multiple people being quoted in your reply, including myself. Most of your quotes are not labeled, and I didn’t say everything that you have me quoted as stating.

You need to go back and properly identify all of the quotes in your reply because you’re misquoting what I said. Anyone can see that I didn’t say all of those things; all they have to do is read through the previous posts.

[JJ McAbraham]

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Relax bud.

[dharmiamlost]

I think Charlie died and is going to come back to warn and advise. He was written in to die because Dom wanted out to go on to other things(pardon the pun). so, they wrote him out, but he will return a few times. He is key.
I have a question that is not really related, but sort of....
Has there been a scene either season 3 or 2 where Hurley is on the beach and there is a flash of angels sitting on each side of him? This is a very important matter.