Hello. I only read the first 4 pages before taking my Excedrin tonight, and forgive me for skipping over to the end here, but just for the record, my father is an expert shipbuilder and he told me it IS possible for a huge boat craft made of wood such as the BR to knock the concrete statue. Yes, he is an expert, yes he has built several fairly large boats, both wood and concrete.
And btw, JD, I think the idea of the island coming up from underneath is a very interesting thought.
Now. Wine and barma, anyone?
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Originally Posted by Here'sLOCKEing at you,Kid
Hello, Peeps! I was just talking to my father about ships and picked his brain a little. I, myself, don't know one way or the other about that statue and all, but for what it's worth, this is what he had to say.
Massive seafaring vessels of the 1800's were capable of withstanding the ocean's swells, storms, hurricanes... they had to be in order to effectively travel their great distances across the most dangerous tumultously unpredicable waters. And it was quite costly building such projects.
Technology of building wooden crafts was not as primitive as one might think.
The finest timber was readily avaiilable and in abundance back then.
Even the masts and spars were from the New England cedars and offered great strength to the damage-resistant wooden vessels.
Hardy southern live oak was incredibly strong.
They soaked it in brine and that had a tremendous preserving effect.
There were considerations in building.
A medium sized ship of say 250 meters long and 36 in the beam will draw 12 meters when loaded. At full speed, it travels about .7 nautical miles before coming to a rest. If the rudder is pulled very hard, at full speed, it travels about .22 of a mile before the reciprocal course is reached. ( I wrote down the formula but don't ask me to explain it.) .. miles to the horizon=1.15xthe square root of HE in feet.
It is theoized that a STATIONARY concrete obstacle still creates far less force upon impact than would a DYNAMIC (moving) vessel which is headed straight for your own vessel. If the damage sustained to a ship allowed said ship still to travel wounded but to ashore, the damage to a stationary obstacle such as the concrete monument may very well mean it was shaken so as to break off a chunk, if not move or disrupt the entire structure.
Also note: Poor visability due to sea weather conditions and the curvature of the earth's surface over the water at about 19 miles away makes it virtually impossible for a large ship to stop before colliding with a structure dead ahead.
That's all I have to say. Just thought it was interesting. That's all.
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Wooden Ship breaking a Stone statue? unlikely. Bomb blast is more believable. However I still don't feel that the bomb exploded. I'm still with the feeling that it imploded into the magnetic anomaly. This power contained in the anomaly could be what needed to be released by pressing the button. Radzinski was to near to the 'blast' not to have been killed yet we all know he survived long enough to finish the 'hatch' and blow his brains out when he was pressing the button with Sayid's 'buddy' back in season 2.
Just some information that LOCKEing was kind enough to get from her father who is an "expert shipbuilder". Not to say that this is exactly the way it "went down" but it cant be cast off as impossible either.
It might be the way you said as well, we wont know for a few more months
I hear ya. The reason I started thinking about it was when we saw Miles see the entire statue it made me think of the time that Jacob and MOB were on the beach having that conversation and the BR in the distance, and then soon after Locke turnes the wheel one last time.
I know that the statue was there for an unknown amount of time and when Miles saw it it could very well have been before or after jacobs and MIB conversation but I thought it would have been a connection between the 2. I dont see any other reason to have shown the statue when Miles saw it since we were going to see it soon after in the Finale.
AS has bee nsaid here many tmes before. Its not just a coincidence they are showing us things.
I personally think we will see that connection again and get an Island view when Locke turns the wheel. I could be wrong and many think I am. but we all know I dont always agree with everyone, right LOL
I hear ya. The reason I started thinking about it was when we saw Miles see the entire statue it made me think of the time that Jacob and MOB were on the beach having that conversation and the BR in the distance, and then soon after Locke turnes the wheel one last time.
I know that the statue was there for an unknown amount of time and when Miles saw it it could very well have been before or after jacobs and MIB conversation but I thought it would have been a connection between the 2. I dont see any other reason to have shown the statue when Miles saw it since we were going to see it soon after in the Finale.
AS has bee nsaid here many tmes before. Its not just a coincidence they are showing us things.
I personally think we will see that connection again and get an Island view when Locke turns the wheel. I could be wrong and many think I am. but we all know I dont always agree with everyone, right LOL
I hope we do, I want to know now, but....
I dont agree or disagree with anyone cause I have no clue at all...
I dont agree or disagree with anyone cause I have no clue at all...
Oh I am almost certain the explanation of how both the statue was destroyed and the BR ended up on the Island itself will be made clear this last season.
I think the Island moving in that final one when Locke turned the wheel caused it. And thats why ben said the results are a measure of last resort because the results would be unpredictable to what what would happen. he may knew it meant that the Island moves in time or that when it did move a statue was destroyed and the BR ended up on the Island itself.
So I was watching Man behind the curtain with commentary on DVD and heard some interesting things that were discussed.
Now I dont see how some of it is possible based on what we learned on the show this past season and something else I heard that might make my theory on how the statue was destroyed not the cause.
So the first thing that was discussed was Ben and Locke going to the Cabin. TPTB were talking about Ben and jacob and Locke and jacob. Now I am not sure if they were just speaking from the standpoint of wha tthe episode was supposed to be indicating or that it really was Jacob in the Cabin.
Based on what Ben said this season to iLocke that he obviously wasnt speaking to anybody but an empty chair and was shocked as he was when things stated flying around.
So for this situation I just think that TPTB were taling about it as the scene was meant to indicate and not suggest otherwise.
OK now to where the conversation indirectly about the statue comes in.
We have the scene where it shows ben and Annie in the classroom and the teacher was talking about the volcanoes on the Island. One of tyhe things TPTB discussed was that Annie will come to be important as this story progresses.
Well not sure if Annie is going to be addressed again or will she in a flashback. maybe it will have to do with Ben getting her pregnant and her dying and thats why he becme so interested in finding the cause.
But now the thing that got my attention wa sthat they said that the Volcano will have a part in the story although as not as big of a part as Annie's but will have to do with "seismic" activity.
Could they have been hinting that the seismic activity caused the Statue to collapse as some have said?
Possibly but the only reason I cant see that happening is because it would be kind of a boring explanation of why the statue no longer exists.
So because of that I will stick to my theory and if its wrong, oh well I was wrong.
Just thought it was intersting info from the commentary.
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Well because its about philosophy and there is no right/or wrong. And because each of us has our own concept and philosophy about things. Although we tend to group into one or two of these philosophies just as we tend to be Republican or Democrat...it by its very nature is what drives the show. We argue about the EXACT SAME thing the show argues about. It is really a "fictional" mirror of the world.
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But now the thing that got my attention wa sthat they said that the Volcano will have a part in the story although as not as big of a part as Annie's but will have to do with "seismic" activity.
Could they have been hinting that the seismic activity caused the Statue to collapse as some have said?
Possibly but the only reason I cant see that happening is because it would be kind of a boring explanation of why the statue no longer exists.
So because of that I will stick to my theory and if its wrong, oh well I was wrong.
Just thought it was intersting info from the commentary.
That is what I have been saying all along. Why does the Statue need an incredible story for its destruction.
Maybe the final flash might have set it off, not sure but I had a feeling the volcano was important.
That is what I have been saying all along. Why does the Statue need an incredible story for its destruction.
Maybe the final flash might have set it off, not sure but I had a feeling the volcano was important.
And I never said that the Volcano couldnt be it but I just saw it happening differntly
its not an incredible story of the destruction but ties in with the story of the Losties.
I rememeber way back when the Orientation for the Swan first showed some said that they beleive it was caused by the losties somehow. Would you have said the same thing about that theory too?
I based it on what I was seeing on the show and how the Losties were the ones that seem to have started the problems with the Others, what we saw with the Incident, the burying of the bomb. Pretty much everything in the back story involved the Losties in one way or another.
So why would it seem unimaginable that the Statue being destroyed also was a result of the Losties?
And like I said. This commentary didnt confirm anything, but a possible hint. They also talked about ben talking to jacob in the cabin which we know really wasnt the case from what we learned this season.
I said its just a possibility and thats all
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Hello, Peeps! I was just talking to my father about ships and picked his brain a little. I, myself, don't know one way or the other about that statue and all, but for what it's worth, this is what he had to say.
Massive seafaring vessels of the 1800's were capable of withstanding the ocean's swells, storms, hurricanes... they had to be in order to effectively travel their great distances across the most dangerous tumultously unpredicable waters. And it was quite costly building such projects.
Technology of building wooden crafts was not as primitive as one might think.
The finest timber was readily avaiilable and in abundance back then.
Even the masts and spars were from the New England cedars and offered great strength to the damage-resistant wooden vessels.
Hardy southern live oak was incredibly strong.
They soaked it in brine and that had a tremendous preserving effect.
There were considerations in building.
A medium sized ship of say 250 meters long and 36 in the beam will draw 12 meters when loaded. At full speed, it travels about .7 nautical miles before coming to a rest. If the rudder is pulled very hard, at full speed, it travels about .22 of a mile before the reciprocal course is reached. ( I wrote down the formula but don't ask me to explain it.) .. miles to the horizon=1.15xthe square root of HE in feet.
It is theoized that a STATIONARY concrete obstacle still creates far less force upon impact than would a DYNAMIC (moving) vessel which is headed straight for your own vessel. If the damage sustained to a ship allowed said ship still to travel wounded but to ashore, the damage to a stationary obstacle such as the concrete monument may very well mean it was shaken so as to break off a chunk, if not move or disrupt the entire structure.
Also note: Poor visability due to sea weather conditions and the curvature of the earth's surface over the water at about 19 miles away makes it virtually impossible for a large ship to stop before colliding with a structure dead ahead.
That's all I have to say. Just thought it was interesting. That's all.
That must be some hobby your father has regarding ship building. I remembered that you told me he taught psychology. He sounds like a very fascinating person to have so much knowledge. So now I wonder which way LT believes the statue was destroyed...by the time flash caused by Locke or by the ship hitting it. That's two different things.
That must be some hobby your father has regarding ship building. I remembered that you told me he taught psychology. He sounds like a very fascinating person to have so much knowledge. So now I wonder which way LT believes the statue was destroyed...by the time flash caused by Locke or by the ship hitting it. That's two different things.
LT believes that when Locke turned the wheel the Island shifted in manner that caused the BR to crash through the Statue and thats how it ended up on the Island. Go read the opening post. I said it there as well
I havent changed my mind.
I never impied that the BR anchored up against the statue and crashed into it,
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