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Old 11-16-2009, 01:17 PM
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Apologies if this was discussed before.

was just reading the Karma thread, when it occurred to me that what's happening in Lost is much more similar and tied to the butterfly effect than karma. This is such an awesome concept and closely tied in to time travel.

Here's the explanation Wikipedia provides.

"The term "butterfly effect" itself is related to the work of Edward Lorenz, and is based in chaos theory and sensitive dependence on initial conditions, first described in the literature by Jacques Hadamard in 1890 and popularized by Pierre Duhem's 1906 book. The idea that one butterfly could eventually have a far-reaching ripple effect on subsequent historic events seems first to have appeared in a 1952 short story by Ray Bradbury about time travel although Lorenz made the term popular.

In 1961, Lorenz was using a numerical computer model to rerun a weather prediction, when, as a shortcut on a number in the sequence, he entered the decimal .506 instead of entering the full .506127 the computer would hold. The result was a completely different weather scenario. Lorenz published his findings in a 1963 paper for the New York Academy of Sciences noting that "One meteorologist remarked that if the theory were correct, one flap of a seagull's wings could change the course of weather forever." Later speeches and papers by Lorenz used the more poetic butterfly. According to Lorenz, upon failing to provide a title for a talk he was to present at the 139th meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 1972, Philip Merilees concocted Does the flap of a butterfly’s wings in Brazil set off a tornado in Texas? as a title.

Although a butterfly flapping its wings has remained constant in the expression of this concept, the location of the butterfly, the consequences, and the location of the consequences have varied widely.

The phrase refers to the idea that a butterfly's wings might create tiny changes in the atmosphere that may ultimately alter the path of a tornado or delay, accelerate or even prevent the occurrence of a tornado in a certain location. The flapping wing represents a small change in the initial condition of the system, which causes a chain of events leading to large-scale alterations of events. Had the butterfly not flapped its wings, the trajectory of the system might have been vastly different. While the butterfly does not "cause" the tornado in the sense of providing the energy for the tornado, it does "cause" it in the sense that the flap of its wings is an essential part of the initial conditions resulting in a tornado, and without that flap that particular tornado would not have existed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

If we look at Lost this way, perhaps setting off Jughead would not bring them to LAX like they thought it would; perhaps it would cause a completely unknown outcome - like perhaps them ending up on Black Rock as some were saying.
What do you think?

Recently rachelskid made a thread to discuss the similarities between Lost and The Butterfly effect, the movie. http://lost.com/forum/showthread.php...tterfly+effect
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:20 PM
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The notion that the flap of a butterfly wing can result in a hurricane, is akin to the notion in physics of the Zero Point Field, where any interaction with the field at any one point has some kind of effect everywhere else in the field.
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:12 AM
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Its similar but its more related to Daniel throwing the stones in the creek than a butterfly affect. He could have been using throwing stones in the creek as an analogy to the butterfly sffect
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