WHH. i watched it again last night. i laughed thinking maybe 1000 more times and i will get it. but, actually, i am not sure i ever got it before. or even now. there was a convo with farady and desmond about faraday remembering the oxford conversation. farady giggled and said unlikely. des then said so this is changing the future. farady said you cannot change the future. but, then at the end of the epi farady's notebook says if anything goes wrong desmond is my constant. so, did things change or did farady not remember?
There is one wildcard in all of these rules. And that wild card is this man right in front of us, right now… Desmond Hume. Who, at this point in his life… [then they get sidetracked by jokes about the yellow suit.]
One of the things that the audience has sort of asked us, bridging out of this scene is… “ok, so if Desmond met Faraday back in the past, then why didn’t he recognize him when he first met him?”
And more importantly, “why have 3 years gone by for Desmond, off the island, before he remembers this meeting?”
And for those kind of questions, we basically have to detract towards ‘The Island has a plan.’ And that plan basically involves all of these characters.
And when you’re talking about something that is a wildcard, it’s exactly that… the rules don’t apply to Desmond.
And so, to basically say we have to understand the rules that DO apply to Desmond, we try to write it off towards ‘Desmond sort of functions more in the spinning of island magic.’
That is to say he will serve a function, here, which is to activate off the Island, and go find Eloise Hawking.
But the fact of the matter is, when he finds Eloise Hawking 5 episodes from now, it turns out that his entire journey was pointless, other than to be shot.
The island is not done with Desmond yet. What his purpose is, in the show, at large… is yet to be revealed.
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Everything that Carleton’s talking about, happens in this scene. Basically, Sawyer is saying “I’m gonna go to the hatch.” “I’m going to get some supplies, and a shirt and some food.”
And Faraday is saying “it won’t work.” “You can try, but it won’t work. Because it DIDN’T happen.”
“You know? Desmond didn’t recognize you, therefore, you are going to be able to make contact with him.”
And of course Faraday is full of it, right now. Because he has every INTENTION of contacting Desmond, himself.
This is the other theme of the show. Take the science fiction element out of it, and I think what we’re really going for, here, is the idea of ‘free will.’ … of giving our characters choices.
The idea that, if our characters BELIEVE they can’t change the future… will they even TRY?
And I think Faraday is very convincing here, so that, for the next 3 years Sawyer DOESN’T try.
He knows from the moment that he sees Kate and Claire giving birth to Aaron, he doesn’t try to intervene, so he basically ‘buys it.’
And it isn’t until Faraday returns, and basically says “I think I might have been wrong about this.
Um, let’s actually try to change the future in a very profound and large way… by detonating a Hydrogen bomb,” that people start to, sort of…change their tune.
We always think it’s interesting to let the characters decide, “oh my god, if I went back to the past, and I was TOLD that I couldn’t change it, would that affect my, even if it were a lie… would that affect my decision to not try anything?
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Sounds like the kiss of death to the WHHers to me. I wonder about the context they meant with the phrase "Desmond is activated off island."
Thanks for all yor hard work JD!!!
haha, so you're sure you're not emotionally invested in any one particular outcome? Do you ever wonder if having an emotional stake in a theory clouds your scientific judgement? It sounds like you are ready to pop champagne if/when WHH is proven false?
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WHH. i watched it again last night. i laughed thinking maybe 1000 more times and i will get it. but, actually, i am not sure i ever got it before. or even now. there was a convo with farady and desmond about faraday remembering the oxford conversation. farady giggled and said unlikely. des then said so this is changing the future. farady said you cannot change the future. but, then at the end of the epi farady's notebook says if anything goes wrong desmond is my constant. so, did things change or did farady not remember?
um, I don't get it. when did something change? did we ever see Faraday's notebook not say that about Desmond being his constant?
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And of course Faraday is full of it, right now. Because he has every INTENTION of contacting Desmond, himself.
This is the other theme of the show. Take the science fiction element out of it, and I think what we’re really going for, here, is the idea of ‘free will.’ … of giving our characters choices.
The idea that, if our characters BELIEVE they can’t change the future… will they even TRY?
I think this is the point of what he's saying. I don't think TPTB are tipping their cap as to what will or will not happen in season 6; I think they are trying to explain their motivations and in this case they want Faraday and Desmond to start making us question whether or not people can change the past. And apparently it worked to perfection because we have been questioning it all off season.
The other interesting thing I got from these two videos was the bit about Sawyer and Juliet. They were saying how they thought it was great that they did their relationship in small bursts from the beginning because they didn't know if the audience was going to buy it by the time the La Fluer episode rolled around and it is a testament to those two actors. I'm just saying I didn't buy it so according to Lindelof it must be the two actors fault, but I think Lindelof is FULL OF IT. I think it's the writers fault firstly because the whole thing never made sense and shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Also the bit about Faraday loving Charlotte seemed revealing. I never understood why Faraday said he loved her and they are basically saying they did it so we would be emotionally invested in Charlotte so we would care when she died. I think they also didn't pull off that trick too well.
BUT now I understand why Faraday said what he said to young Charlotte. Even though he wanted to change the past, he needed Charlotte off the island because IF his plan does work, she still can't be on the island because then Charlotte would have been killed by an atomic bomb in this new universe.
They also explained the reason WHY Faraday changed his mind all of a sudden. He wanted to save Charlotte. So I think emotions clouded his scientific judgement hence making him irrational.
Everything that Carleton’s talking about, happens in this scene. Basically, Sawyer is saying “I’m gonna go to the hatch.” “I’m going to get some supplies, and a shirt and some food.”
And Faraday is saying “it won’t work.” “You can try, but it won’t work. Because it DIDN’T happen.”
“You know? Desmond didn’t recognize you, therefore, you are going to be able
to make contact with him.”
And of course Faraday is full of it, right now. Because he has every INTENTION of contacting Desmond, himself.
This is the other theme of the show. Take the science fiction element out of it, and I think what we’re really going for, here, is the idea of ‘free will.’ … of giving our characters choices.
The idea that, if our characters BELIEVE they can’t change the future… will they even TRY?
And I think Faraday is very convincing here, so that, for the next 3 years Sawyer DOESN’T try.
He knows from the moment that he sees Kate and Claire giving birth to Aaron, he doesn’t try to intervene, so he basically ‘buys it.’
And it isn’t until Faraday returns, and basically says “I think I might have been wrong about this.
Um, let’s actually try to change the future in a very profound and large way… by detonating a Hydrogen bomb,” that people start to, sort of…change their tune.
We always think it’s interesting to let the characters decide, “oh my god, if I went back to the past, and I was TOLD that I couldn’t change it, would that affect my, even if it were a lie… would that affect my decision to not try anything?
Seems that many want to believe that this throws out the theory of WHH.
But I am still troubled by this whole scene that TPTB are trying to imply that Faraday knew he was going to be able to get through to Desmond.
If that is the case. Can someone who believes TPTB are being blatantly honest here explain this whole scene and what Faraday says:
[Charlotte chuckles. Faraday sighs. He runs for his pack, and extracts the journal, then quickly leafs through it.]
[Moments later, Faraday bangs on the back door of the hatch.]
FARADAY: [Whispering, and stepping back] Please let this work. Please let this work. Please, please, please, let this work.
So if Faraday believes all along that he will be able to contact Desmond or Sawyer could have why is he hoping that him knocking will get Desmond to respond?
I was under the impression that since he and Desmond met at Oxford in 1996, that is how he was able to make contact with him now.
Faraday explained to Sawyer why he wouldnt be able to contact Desmond:
FARADAY: Because Desmond didn't know you when he first came out of there. That means you've never met, which means you can't meet.
So I am a bit curious to exactly what TPTB are trying to say or do with there whole dialogue.
Then we have the whole "activates off the island".
I still believe that its the memory of the event gets recalled/activated at that specific time when it was needed to be recalled.
Is it just coincidence Desmond happens to show up basically the same moment Ben shows up with the Losties to meet with Ms Hawking?
There is more to what they are saying and I am pretty sure it doesnt disprove WHH/TCC or vice versa
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TCC and does. Thats why we have clocks and watches.
the constant. I am worried for
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