WHHers - who's your daddy? - Page 7

islander · #61 02-04-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jlazarus

Or people that believe that, until proven wrong, the universe is still correcting

So what's the ruling on somethng like that? Can course correction and WHH coexist? I don't think so since I distinctly saw 815 land in LA. And, I doubt that is actually what happens in the very end, but the WHH world has been torpedoed.

Brother Desmond · #62 02-04-2010, 11:54 AM

I think we can say that as of right now both theories are valid.

It seems WHH still applies to the original timeline. They came to the island, some left, some stayed, those who left came back and set off a bomb that carried them to a time on the island after the hatch was imploded by Desmond, and where the island isn't underwater.

In another timeline the passengers of Oceanic 815 are similar to the people we saw originally board the plane, but not exactly the same and did not crash on the island because in 2004 is was already underwater.

jlazarus · #63 02-04-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by islander

So what's the ruling on somethng like that? Can course correction and WHH coexist? I don't think so since I distinctly saw 815 land in LA. And, I doubt that is actually what happens in the very end, but the WHH world has been torpedoed.

I think WHH and course correction are the same. That's what course correction is - ensuring that the end result is the same.

Now, the variables can change (the details) but the end result is still the same.

And even with various time lines theory - the universe still corrects. Hence why Charlie said last night "I was supposed to die" (or something like that). I think we will see that he still does die soon.

Remember the first time we saw Eloise, Desmond was buying a ring. Then there was the whole scene where the guy was killed by the scaffolding or something. She told Desmond that it was useless to try to change that - she was telling Desmond this, sort of preparing him for his own 'flashes' with Charlie i.e., in one timeline Charlie died from lighting, etc...but in THE 2004 timeline Charlie dies at the Looking Glass.

It's as if Eloise, Ben, Charles et al have tried changing this many times, but it never really works out in the long run.

So is it possible that "Whatever Happened, Happened" (WHH) is multi-faceted? The variables can change, but the end result (the constant) doesn't. Like Desmond saving Charlie over and over....the 'how' Charlie dies changed, but the fact that Charlie still died didn't. Like x+y=z: 3 + 3 = 6; 4 + 2 also = 6. 3, 4, and 2 are variables....6 is the constant.

So, each timeline has different variables, but the constant remains the same. So WHH is true, AND one can also change the past as well. Both are true, but both end up with the same result. What HAPPENED happens - it's just the details surrounding what 'happens' that can change.

That makes sense in this 'LOST' world to me Chaos ----> Order. The Chaos is the variable change - the Order is What Happened.

As far as 815 actually landing in LAX - I don't know yet that is real or just a someone's (Jack's?) dream. It's a possibility, yes, but the plane landing or crashing could also be a variable - for a bigger end result that we don't know about yet...

(Note I am not an absolutist - I do believe what I described above is a possibility - but I am quite open to the fact that WHH might just be hogwash, lol!

I will note that last night's LAX scenes - which I don't believe are real at this point - show MANY, MANY changes, that are PRE-FLIGHT changes (Hurley's luck, Shannon not being on the plane at all, etc..) What do you suppose caused those types of 'changes', (supposing WHH is hogwash and those scenes are real)?