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Old 02-04-2010, 02:47 PM
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Some interesting info regarding the meaning of the name Dagon, the apparent leader of the others at the new temple:

Dagon was a major northwest Semitic god, reportedly of grain and agriculture. He was worshipped by the early Amorites and by the inhabitants of the cities of Ebla and Ugarit (which was an ancient city near the Mediterranean containing a large variety of ancient writings and pagan shrines). He was also a major member, or perhaps head, of the pantheon of the Biblical Philistines.

His name appears in Hebrew as דגון (in modern transcription Dagon, Tiberian Hebrew Dāḡôn), in Ugaritic as dgn (probably vocalized as Dagnu), and in Akkadian as Dagana, Daguna usually rendered in English translations as Dagan.


Three thousand years later, Jewish Rabbi Rashi writes of a Biblical tradition that the name Dāgôn is related to Hebrew dāg/dâg 'fish' and that Dagon was imagined in the shape of a fish: compare the Babylonian fish-god Oannes. In the thirteenth century David Kimhi interpreted the odd sentence in 1 Samuel 5.2–7 that "only Dagon was left to him" to mean "only the form of a fish was left", adding: "It is said that Dagon, from his navel down, had the form of a fish (whence his name, Dagon), and from his navel up, the form of a man, as it is said, his two hands were cut off." The Septuagint text of 1 Samuel 5.2–7 says that both the arms and the legs of the image of Dagon were broken off.[5]

Various 19th century scholars, such as Julius Wellhausen and William Robertson Smith, believed the tradition to have been validated from the occasional occurrence of a merman motif found in Assyrian and Phoenician art, including coins from Ashdod and Arvad.

John Milton uses the tradition in his Paradise Lost Book 1:

... Next came one
Who mourned in earnest, when the captive ark
Maimed his brute image, head and hands lopt off,
In his own temple, on the grunsel-edge,
Where he fell flat and shamed his worshippers:
Dagon his name, sea-monster, upward man
And downward fish; yet had his temple high
Reared in Azotus, dreaded through the coast
Of Palestine, in Gath and Ascalon,
And Accaron and Gaza's frontier bounds.
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:05 PM
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This would make sense. We did after all see him leaf trimming and prunnig small trees. I figured it showed him doing this as in refrence to his culture which seemed to be japanese, but many asian countries practice Bonsai. I think it was just a way to show that he is wise and peaceful man. Until he orderd the shooting of Sayid.
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Ok i found this.....acording to abc´s the name of the japanese master is Dogen, wich was a Japanese Zen Buddhist teacher born in Kyōto, and the founder of the Sōtō school of Zen in Japan. And guess what???? He is known for his extensive writing including the Treasury of the Eye of the True Dharma or Shōbōgenzō, a collection of ninety-five fascicles concerning Buddhist practice and enlightenment.
He was, for much of his life, the head of a monastery, Eihei-ji (which roughly translates to 'the temple of eternal peace').
And last Dōgen died on September 22, 1253, the same date as the original Oceanic Flight 815 crash.

I think we are facing some kind of celestial fight of Buddhism.
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That is totally cool TheOne, thank you.
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Ill do you one better on this one same day the flight of 815 but heres some math i been working on minus the year 1953 by 108 and it gives you 1845 hmm 1845 the same year the Black Rock leaves Portsmouth.
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Ok i found this.....acording to abc´s the name of the japanese master is Dogen, wich was a Japanese Zen Buddhist teacher born in Kyōto, and the founder of the Sōtō school of Zen in Japan. And guess what???? He is known for his extensive writing including the Treasury of the Eye of the True Dharma or Shōbōgenzō, a collection of ninety-five fascicles concerning Buddhist practice and enlightenment.
He was, for much of his life, the head of a monastery, Eihei-ji (which roughly translates to 'the temple of eternal peace').
And last Dōgen died on September 22, 1253, the same date as the original Oceanic Flight 815 crash.

I think we are facing some kind of celestial fight of Buddhism.
Just one other little bit...It is Dogen Zenji. I think Dogen means teacher, like a title. Not 100% sure but I think so. I just read loads of stuff about Dogen Zenji and it all touched on Dharma, dark vs. light, a reflecting pond, and so much more. Here is the link to what I read.

http://sped2work.tripod.com/dogen.html

I found this interesting as well:

Dōgen's immediate pupils were Koun Ejō, Sōkai, Senne, but his most notable successor was Keizan (瑩山; 1268–1325), founder of Sōjiji Temple and author of the Record of the Transmission of Light (傳光錄 Denkōroku), which traces the succession of Zen masters from Siddhārtha Gautama up to Keizan's own day. Together, Dōgen and Keizan are regarded as the founders of the Sōtō school in Japan.
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Yeah! i think the temple is the home of Dogan, the part of Ricardus......is not clear yet.

I do belive that they took benKid to the same water, and once you are cure with the fountain, somehow you are link to the island.
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Yeah! i think the temple is the home of Dogan, the part of Ricardus......is not clear yet.

I do belive that they took benKid to the same water, and once you are cure with the fountain, somehow you are link to the island.
And you will not remember anything and you will never be the same. It is Dogen's reflecting pool I think.
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And you will not remember anything and you will never be the same. It is Dogen's reflecting pool I think.
wonder why the water is not clear?
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wonder why the water is not clear?
I don't know either but maybe it has to do with Jacob's death. It apparently didn't heal as fast as it had in the past by Dogen cutting himself to test the waters and Sayid's delayed reaction to his "baptism." Without any other information I can only think of that for now. Do you have any other ideas?

Eidt: The only other thing that just now came to my mind is that the water in the reflecting pool looked murky like the water in the secret closet in Ben's house when he summoned smokie by pulling the drain plug. That water was dirty also.
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