"WIDMORE" Did Not Stage The Crash!!

[Lostfan1]

In the episode "Meet Kevin Johnson" Tom told Michale that Widmore put a phoney plane on the bottom of the ocean.
In the episode "The Other Woman" The captin of the freighter tells Sayid and Desmond that Benjamin Linus staged the Ocianic flight 815 crash.

Here is why I think it was Ben who staged this crash.
- Ben dose not want anyone to find the island
- We know the "Others" can go to and from the island
- Tom had the paper work that indicated the fake cash was set up. (Not Widmore)
- He might have not done it phisicaly himself but he was in charge

Here is why I think Widmore did not stage the crash
-He has no motive
And here it is... the big fact that gives proof to this idea. Drum Role please...
- If Widmore Planted 324 so called "Passengers" at the bottom of the ocean why would he even think about rescuing survivors of the real crash.
- He would be put in Jail if they found out he staged a plane crash.
- All they need to find that out is one survivor (and they get six)

If however Ben did indeed stage the crash... then Widmore would be more than happy to rescue survivors and proove Ben was the one who did that
- Think of what Frank said to Michale...Could you imagine if we actually found survivors to Flight 815.

Widmore is a jerk. And he may be up to no good. But he is not stupid.
And he did not stage the crash!

[justjoe]

Ben doesn't want anyone to find the island true but how do the other points prove that he staged the crash? Tom had the paperwork for the fake crash but they implicated Widmore. What does the ability to come and go from the island have to do with it?

*Widmores motive is to find the island and use it for his own gain.
*He would stage a crash to throw people off the trail of the island.
*He does not want survivors found which is why the freighties job was to get to the island and kill everyone on it.

[Lostfan1]

Originally Posted by justjoe

*Widmores motive is to find the island and use it for his own gain.
*He would stage a crash to throw people off the trail of the island.
*He does not want survivors found which is why the freighties job was to get to the island and kill everyone on it.

- staging a crash would not help widmore find the island
- who else even knows there is an island? If they do the're probly not racing Widmore to it.
- Considering 6 people get off the island and there seems to be only one helicopter around that which belongs to widmore- I'm pretty sure he (or his crew) is the one to get them off the island.
-If he they were supposed to kill everyone, Why would Charlet and Dannel Get rid of the Toxic gas?

And the evidence Tom showed Michale was proof that the plane crash was sttaged and how.
Not that Widmore was the one who staged it.
Michale was just dumb enough to believe Tom.

[bunnydixon]

it could be either or i say.

however, i agree with joe - if it is widmore, he is staging the crash to bring attention away from the island. if people are still looking for wreckage, they may stumble across it. take the wreckage out the equation and no more search parties.

we dont know that everyone on the freighter is indeed working solely for widmore. they may be on the freighter under the pretense they are working for him and his mission if it is indeed to kill everyone.

there is paperwork to suggest that a crash was staged but it doesnt really prove it or who staged it.

at this point, there is not enough information to decide who staged the crash IMO.

[ChristiK]

I keep thinking about the movie Castaway and how much of a pain it was for Tom Hank's character to return to the land of the living after he was found. He was only presumed dead, but was legally declared dead. They even had a funeral for him.

Whoever staged the plane crash made it pretty difficult for any of the survivors to return to the real world because once it was found, they stopped being presumed dead. They've been "confirmed dead". I expect the fact that there are five bodies (one of them supposedly with child) sitting in that wreckage in the ocean with their names on them to be an issue when they return.

Someone somewhere is going to question how that whole situation came to be. I expect some people will wonder if it could mean their loved ones are really alive too. Perhaps that's where people like the flight attendants fiancee from the find815.com game/website will come into play.

[bigred]

THE CAPTAIN OF THE DAM BOAT HAS NO REASON TO LIE TO THE SURVIVORS ABOUT THE FAKE CRASH AT ALL. MEAN WHILE TOM AND BEN HAVE ALL THE REASON TO FAKE A PLANE CRASH. But yet some say it widmores to throw people off his trail(like lost wants us to belive), but ben needs to plant it to get rid of all the kaos that goes into searching for it

[justjoe]

I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT BUT I DON"T AGREE WITH IT!!! The Captain of the damn boat has plenty of reasons to lie about the wreckage. He is telling them what he wants them to know. I believe he works for Ben but that's beside the point. We haven't seen his full story yet so we don't know what he will gain from lying.

And the evidence Tom showed Michale was proof that the plane crash was sttaged and how.
Not that Widmore was the one who staged it.
Michale was just dumb enough to believe Tom.

Here is the evidence that Tom showed Michael about the wreckage and it specifically implicates Widmore.

[ortrules]

Personally, I've always been more inclined to believe Widmore over Ben. But, we have no proof one way or the other of who really set up the crash.

[ortrules]

Originally Posted by justjoe

Here is the evidence that Tom showed Michael about the wreckage and it specifically implicates Widmore.

Does it? A rich man and owner of a big corporation buys a plane, what else is new?

[justjoe]

Ort I edited my previous post to include the statement that I was rebutting that Tom didn't show Michael anything but instead told him verbally and Michael believed it. Not saying I buy one scenario over the other but I am leaning toward Widmore.