2 - Not enough information yet - sure he was a bastard to Desmond, but he was also trying to protect his daughter, which is understandable. We can only assume that he was going to have everyone on the island killed by the "freighter people". Aside from what Ben said, what evedince is there to support this?
Didn't other people in that episode say it too? It's a little fuzzy for me, but didn't oh, wait, Charlotte and Daniel went to turn off the gas because of what BEN might do (I'm just thinking out loud).. And the captain.. did he say that Ben planted the bodies or Widmore? I can't remember now.. I haven't rewatched it since before this season started, and at that time I was in the frame of mind that Widmore was totally evil. There might not be any evidence to support it.
One last thing - why does everyone think that the only reason Charlotte returns to the island is because of what Daniel said? She was infatuated with the island, spent her entire life studying about it and trying to prove that her mother was wrong when she said the island didn't exist. This is where she was born and spent her childhood. But in everyones opinion, none of that matters unless Daniel says what he says...
I don't know what you mean by that.. who, or not who I guess, but what was being said that makes you think people only think Charlotte returns because of what Daniel said? I was under the impression that she didn't remember what Daniel said until that point in the woods when she was dying. I don't think her going to the island has anything to do with what Daniel said to her.
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good" - True. So far, Widmore hasn't shown much in the way of being evil other than conjecture from Ben and Tom.
What about his hand-chopping fetish, and killing his mate, and beating that guy up off island, and apparently giving orders to kill everyone on the island once Ben is captured?
Any of these actions, as well as Ben's, could be construed as either 'good' or 'evil' depending on the big picture - which we have been deliberately kept in the dark about.
Was it Abaddon who said that the difference between good and evil is not clear-cut at all?
I think the only points we can be sure about is Charlotte being dead (well as dead as Charlie anyway), otherwise she would have moved in time with the rest of them, and that Ben and Widmore will be shown on-island before or around the time of the Dharma purge.
But who is good and who is evil (or yin and yang, black and white, etc), i think, will be something TPTB will keep us guessing at right up until the final scene.
Didn't other people in that episode say it too? It's a little fuzzy for me, but didn't oh, wait, Charlotte and Daniel went to turn off the gas because of what BEN might do (I'm just thinking out loud).. And the captain.. did he say that Ben planted the bodies or Widmore? I can't remember now.. I haven't rewatched it since before this season started, and at that time I was in the frame of mind that Widmore was totally evil. There might not be any evidence to support it.
Now that I think about it wansn't the C4 keamy's idea. he said he took out an insurance policy. I guess if they couldn't get ben he would just kill everyone. Widmore may not have instructed him to kill all the people on the island. Plus, Dan, Miles and Charlotte would have still been on the island gathering research for Widmore. So I think that was all Keamy. But that being said I still think Widmore is kinda bad cuz of what he wants out of the island. He seems an arrogant lil bugger and his true motives are unknown. Ok, maybe I'm on the fence.. more on evil tho.
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I don't know what you mean by that.. who, or not who I guess, but what was being said that makes you think people only think Charlotte returns because of what Daniel said? I was under the impression that she didn't remember what Daniel said until that point in the woods when she was dying. I don't think her going to the island has anything to do with what Daniel said to her.
That's true. She could have just wanted to prove that what she remembered was real and not a lie like what her mother told her. The Dan thing was probably the last thing on her mind at the time. She barely remembered. They say you see ur entire life when u are dying maybe that is the reason she just remembered.
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Please feel free to elaborate as much as you like or not at all:
The following are a list of ideas that you either believe to be true or false (or possibly have a lean one way or the other):
1. Ben's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
2. Charles Widmore's ultimate purpose can be described as "good"
3. Mrs. Hawking is dead
4. Daniel is wrong about Charlotte being dead
5. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Ben
6. The traveling Losties will encounter a 70's era Widmore
7. Richard is from an ancient past
8. Walt will return to the island
9. The others are descendants of the people that erected the statue
10. None of the others are descendants from the people that were on the Black Rock
They say you see ur entire life when u are dying maybe that is the reason she just remembered.
That's exactly what I was thinking.. she seemed almost surprised when she said it, like she had just remembered it. Ooh! Maybe she just remembered it because the time they flashed in was the time he said it to her? Like, it didn't happen originally.. she didn't actually remember it, it was happening simultaneously? Or maybe not, but that just made me think of Desmond.. When Daniel told him to find his mother, he wakes up and says it wasn't a dream, it was a memory.. only he just remembered it right then because it hadn't happened before.
That's exactly what I was thinking.. she seemed almost surprised when she said it, like she had just remembered it. Ooh! Maybe she just remembered it because the time they flashed in was the time he said it to her? Like, it didn't happen originally.. she didn't actually remember it, it was happening simultaneously? Or maybe not, but that just made me think of Desmond.. When Daniel told him to find his mother, he wakes up and says it wasn't a dream, it was a memory.. only he just remembered it right then because it hadn't happened before.
Ooooh love it! Like it was a new memory. only thing tho Des said that it did happen when he was talking to Penny in "The Lie" and she asked why he just remembered. Even tho it was like a new memory. But I love the thinking of why Charlotte just remembered.
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1. True (I hope)
2. False (I hope?)
3. True (Good Theory)
4. True
5. True (Oh Yeah)
6. True (We know now that Widmore led "The Others" at this time and we're bound to see him in this era)
7. True (Juilet said herself he is "OLD"!)
8. True (He is to special not to)
9. True (Yes some are recruited but, not all of them)
10. This can go both ways but, True why not?!
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